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Date: May 16th, 2025 11:08 AM Author: Brass Den https://www.reddit.com/r/lawschooladmissions/comments/1knr08u/harvard_sticker_vs_ucla/
It’d be about $80k more for me to attend Harvard (which is close to home for me). UCLA gave me some scholarship (not a lot) but there tuition is generally cheaper x i want to do big law for 3-4 years (in Los Angeles) and then eventually work in house as a GC for an entertainment company. Thoughts? Not to throw all my details out there but This is $160k vs $240k.. |
Date: May 16th, 2025 11:08 AM Author: Brass Den The difference in terms of reputation and placement is not as great as some here are suggesting. HLS is currently tied with Duke for #6 in the USNWR rankings. UCLA is ranked #12.
HLS places 67% of grads in law firms and 56% of those in big law (=38%). UCLA places 71% of grads in law firms and 50% of those in big law (=36%).
When you add in entertainment industry and desire to work in LA, it amounts to a fairly compelling argument for UCLA, especially with the price tag differential. |
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Date: May 16th, 2025 11:08 AM Author: Brass Den You are the only person making sense in the thread. Wants to work in LA after school but is trying to convince themselves Harvard? 3k miles away. Yes Harvard is better a school, but not by much. The employment outcomes are identical for big law (250-500+ lawyers is top 53% of class for both) yet one is already in LA and you’re getting a scholarship. UCLA would be the best option |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:34 AM Author: Razzle flickering international law enforcement agency institution lol this guy is suggesting OP has a 38% chance of getting biglaw out of HLS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946861) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:54 AM Author: Brass Den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946923) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:57 AM Author: slate hall Studios are all run by aging boomers and/or tech dorks who are all huge prestige whores. Boomers still think of UCLA as basically one step up from community college. See also Scott Galloway talking about how he was a useless burnout in high school and sloughed his way over to UCLA because it had an 80% acceptance rate in the early 80s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946940) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:06 AM Author: Brass Den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946803) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:08 AM Author: Wonderful theatre That is some bad advice. I wonder who those people are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946806) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:24 AM Author: Brass Den The difference in terms of reputation and placement is not as great as some here are suggesting. HLS is currently tied with Duke for #6 in the USNWR rankings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946837) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:35 AM Author: rambunctious big native clown both Nintendo Switch and Playstation 5 have games (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946862) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:23 AM Author: slap-happy location boltzmann (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946835) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:25 AM Author: Beady-eyed Plaza Idea He Suggested sounds like asian wife no matter what (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946843) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:26 AM Author: snowy shaky bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946846) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:32 AM Author: rambunctious big native clown 80% jews wherever you go (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946855) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:43 AM Author: overrated chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946880) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:01 AM Author: slate hall Issue with UCLA (and all the back end of the T14, see also UT, GULC, Cornell) is that it’s hard to get biglaw if you aren’t top 25% or have some other hook (eg want to do IP and have a hard science ug degree, though I hear LLMs may have killed that path). HLS part of what you pay for is the ability to not try at all in lol school, fog a mirror at OCI and have multiple offers from the firms in LA that will only take top 10% from UCLA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946950) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:19 AM Author: Brass Den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947006) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:22 AM Author: navy bearded field knife i think even the bottom t14 is mirror-fogging into biglol these days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947011) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:36 AM Author: slate hall Still it has to be a major difference getting an offer at Latham/OMM/MTO/Quinn. The one caveat would be if you have zero LA contacts story. If you just like LA but never lived there and don’t have any family there you might be better off at UCLA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947031) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:39 AM Author: navy bearded field knife sure and i'm sure if you want to go into something sexy like entertainment law going to HLS helps too. i'm just saying bottom t14 are sleepwalking into biglaw generally. ofc there are still levels and bottom 25% at law centers aren't getting cravath offers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947042) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:50 AM Author: slate hall Still wild to hear about this. The American law firm is such a preposterously bad business model for 95+% of the people working within it and 99+% of its customers. It’s insane to me that it had endured as well as it has while so many other industries with fewer obvious and less pronounced defects are turned upside down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947063) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:58 AM Author: navy bearded field knife it's the same as health insurance, taxes, etc. the people making the rules have a vested interest in perpetuating the system that employs them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947076) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 8:22 PM Author: Brass Den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48949053) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:24 AM Author: Fear-inspiring drunken marketing idea lol, a school like Cornell is placing ~80% in biglaw these days. It isn't 2011.
166/196 grads in firms of 250+ or fed clerkship. https://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Cornell-Law-School-Class-of-2024-ABA-Data-Summary.pdf |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:33 AM Author: slate hall Whoa wtf!?!? I need to be more judgmental of all of these juniors, then. I’ve been assuming that they got good grades if they were outside the T10 (the real one ie HYSCCNPBVM). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947025) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:54 PM Author: rambunctious big native clown they're all working at pryor cashman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947265) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:38 PM Author: Brass Den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48949817) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:15 PM Author: Self-absorbed metal parlour selfie 80% Jews is always the more prestigious and intellectually rigorous option (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947118) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:31 AM Author: Emerald impertinent whorehouse i would think an HLS admit would get more money out of UCLA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946854) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:36 AM Author: Brass Den if you haven't been following along, law school admissions have jumped the shark. everyone scores 175+ now that they have gimped the LSAT and people caught onto the "accomodations" game to get 2x time while taking the test at home. average GPAs are like 3.95 because everyone graduating did college from home during COVID when professors handed out As to everyone for signing into zoom and cheating on tests. overall grade inflation is out of control and most people in non-joke majors don't apply to law school at all anymore.
and post affirmative action, your "essays" *wink wink* are where you get your DEI points for "lived experience."
you have white guys with 3.8/177s getting shut out of T6 schools while minorities with 3.6/168 are getting into HYS and making TikTok's lecturing you on how "your essays really matter folks!!! numbers aren't everything!!!" |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:39 AM Author: Emerald impertinent whorehouse wow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946872) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:49 AM Author: Brass Den https://www.reddit.com/r/lawschooladmissions/s/cnkwJiFqub
Hispanic + 4.0 in queer studies + 173 with 2x time from home = admitted to every law school with full scholarships |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:52 AM Author: Brass Den Essays: I cannot stress how important I think essays are!!! I wrote every single optional essay and why essay. I even visited a couple schools before applying that I knew were really "fit" sensitive. I really think we downplay the importance of essays. Stats get you in the door, but essays seal the deal imo. I have good stats, but I definitely think I outperformed my stats. My essays, I can say now, without a doubt a probably some of the best I've ever written. I really took my time with them and put my heart on my sleeve. My personal statement was deeply tied to my experiences as a FGLI applicant, and I have no regrets really putting my story out there. It was a risk, but I think it paid off. My advice is take your time with your essays so that you can give your writing time to breathe. Take the time to reflect on your experiences to try to build your best and most cohesive narrative. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946917) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:23 AM Author: Indigo home My essays, I can say now, without a doubt a probably some of the best I've ever written. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947014) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:29 AM Author: Brass Den My personal statement was deeply tied to my experiences as a FGLI applicant, and I have no regrets really putting my story out there. It was a risk, but I think it paid off.
Oh what a risk! |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:39 AM Author: Rebellious razzmatazz school cafeteria community account lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947043) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:43 AM Author: Razzle flickering international law enforcement agency institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947054) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 11:45 AM Author: navy bearded field knife it's terrifying that this victim mentality is so ingrained in zoomers that this was poasted unironically. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947057) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:06 PM Author: Brass Den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947091) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:50 PM Author: Emerald impertinent whorehouse it's really unbelievable, there's no awareness, no cynicism at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947239) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:58 PM Author: Brass Den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947287) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:54 AM Author: navy bearded field knife jfc what a Joke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946925) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:54 AM Author: vigorous kitty cat theater stage and a criminal!
"C&F: Not insignificant C&F issue from 2.5 years ago. Had to write addenda at most schools. Not a serious crime, but falls in line with financial issues (e.g, financial distress). I actually ended up writing my personal statement about this and how my experience with this c&f issue changed my approach to law and the kind of advocate I want to be for my own clients. This was a risk, because I really put it all out there, but I think it paid off immensely." |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 10:54 AM Author: Brass Den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48946928) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 4:26 PM Author: exhilarant love of her life space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48948320) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 5:13 PM Author: Brass Den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48948453) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:51 PM Author: Beady-eyed Plaza Idea He Suggested Even tho absolutely nobody liked my asian wife joke (which was great), im heartened by this thread picking up so many posts.
We long to debate schools, lists of schools, admission decisions, and such. We LONG for it. It is in are soul |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:59 PM Author: Brass Den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947295) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 5:22 PM Author: Pale sexy theater legend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48956970) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 12:56 PM Author: startling liquid oxygen You guys mock but i had a friend from undergrad who chose UCLA over Yale because he wanted to work in film production, they actually hired him as an actor because he had UCLA on his resume, he has been leading man in some big films and won a golden globe. But sure he'd rather be in house at Nabisco or whatever 🙄 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48947275) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 4:47 PM Author: Fear-inspiring drunken marketing idea film scouts snatch up the tallest, handsomest men from all the top law schools, not just UCLA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48948366) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 5:21 PM Author: Pale sexy theater legend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48956969) |
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Date: May 20th, 2025 5:34 PM Author: Beta Hell Cumskin harvard and it's not even close
you can make up full cost vs tuition free ucla simply by running a few turos on the side while at hls. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 1:20 PM Author: Brass Den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48956432) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 5:11 PM Author: rambunctious big native clown most distinguished alum of UCLA: Kirstin Gillibrand
most distinguished alum of HLS: Elie Mystal |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 5:19 PM Author: tripping naked stain This is why you should include where you got admitted in your education section on your resume, not just where you went. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725888&forum_id=2)#48956962) |