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Are Redfin/Zillow "Zestimates" totally made up BS?

Seem like it.
Painfully Honest Market
  05/29/25
Too high or too low?
Mewling Green Cuckoldry Whorehouse
  05/29/25
Too high.
Painfully Honest Market
  05/29/25
yes.
excitant stubborn turdskin
  05/29/25
yes. too high.
swashbuckling mediation abode
  05/29/25
pretty sure mine is about 130000K too high.
Flatulent Twinkling Indirect Expression
  05/29/25
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Splenetic knife
  05/29/25
my area is too low. all the recent sales have the zestimate ...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
yeah real estate is a complete fraud
soul-stirring buff sandwich ape
  05/29/25
(guy with no assets or income)
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
lmao @ u being the only one piping up itt "h-hey I-I'm ...
soul-stirring buff sandwich ape
  05/29/25
it's just annoying to see you in every thread with a 1488 me...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
you sound pretty mad about being poor
soul-stirring buff sandwich ape
  05/29/25
imagine being outed as a NEET potatonigger and spending all ...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
Edgy as fuck boner police gaped by gunnerattt itt.
Razzmatazz Pocket Flask
  05/29/25
hi scholarship you're a short kike
soul-stirring buff sandwich ape
  05/29/25
you seem pretty mad for a poor nigger
soul-stirring buff sandwich ape
  05/29/25
An appraisal from somebody not willing to buy from you at th...
Walnut bossy senate quadroon
  05/29/25
this is retarded. fair market appraisals are conducted f...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
Cr. This was one of the dumbest posts I’ve ever seen.
clear forum
  05/29/25
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sticky locus
  05/29/25
Sounds like you have a bright future at opendoor
Walnut bossy senate quadroon
  05/29/25
High prices drive traffic. When zillow tried buying prope...
electric sienna institution
  05/29/25
i think the zestimates are pretty accurate for houses in gre...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
the Zestimate jumps to whatever the house is listed for. e.g...
Slate Comical Giraffe National Security Agency
  05/29/25
one weird trick
sticky locus
  05/29/25
https://imgur.com/a/WzhzHxO first house I looked at was a...
Slate Comical Giraffe National Security Agency
  05/29/25
yup. ive poasted about this for years. the trick is they'...
sticky locus
  05/29/25
how is it stealing? of course the model is going to incorpor...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
BEEP BEEP BEEP. it's not literal theft. the point is that th...
sticky locus
  05/29/25
BEEP BEEP BEEP. my point is that without knowing anything ab...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
jfc, BEEP BEEP BEEP. a normie doesnt have a clue that the mo...
sticky locus
  05/29/25
maybe i am the autistic one here but i think even on a wordc...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
jfc we're not talking about recent listings and sales. we're...
sticky locus
  05/29/25
again, "no shit." if i valued a stock going pu...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
and it does a pretty fucking shitty job at automating the ap...
sticky locus
  05/29/25
depends on variability and amount of data. as pointed out al...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
You're missing the point. He's saying the model is made up f...
charcoal stimulating theatre
  05/29/25
yes. this apspie is missing the point
sticky locus
  05/29/25
no, this is just another example of xo wordcels with zero un...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
OH WHAT A DATA DRIVEN PREDICTIVE MODEL THAT CAN'T FORECAST A...
Slate Comical Giraffe National Security Agency
  05/29/25
i'm itt talking about how it's often shit. this subthread is...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
the point you are not understanding is that nobody is saying...
Slate Comical Giraffe National Security Agency
  05/29/25
because it does a great job of predicting the listing price ...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
do you work for zillow or something wtf
Slate Comical Giraffe National Security Agency
  05/29/25
all my poasts itt were fairly negative about it until i went...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
"because it does a great job of predicting the listing ...
charcoal stimulating theatre
  05/29/25
...
Slate Comical Giraffe National Security Agency
  05/29/25
...
sticky locus
  05/29/25
no, i get what he's saying. what i'm saying is that that doe...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
Is your complaint that the model should already be able to p...
vibrant maroon internal respiration
  05/29/25
the complaint is that the model is total fucking dogshit and...
sticky locus
  05/29/25
The "complaint" is that they're fucking fraud, lol...
charcoal stimulating theatre
  05/29/25
...
sticky locus
  05/29/25
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Slate Comical Giraffe National Security Agency
  05/29/25
*chef's kiss*
soul-stirring buff sandwich ape
  05/29/25
Correct Someone in this thread who actually understands t...
charcoal stimulating theatre
  05/29/25
CR
charcoal stimulating theatre
  05/29/25
They are pretty accurate IME. A lot of divorce cases, we&rsq...
clear forum
  05/29/25
"usually"
electric sienna institution
  05/29/25
whether they're somewhat fraud to total fraud depends largel...
sticky locus
  05/29/25
yeah, my area goes from prole to mansion within 1/4 mile, ho...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
Ok, but this is an inherent limitation of the data that is a...
vibrant maroon internal respiration
  05/29/25
the complaint is exactly that these models are such pure shi...
sticky locus
  05/29/25
...
Slate Comical Giraffe National Security Agency
  05/29/25
...
charcoal stimulating theatre
  05/29/25
i'm not complaining, i'm autistically arguing above how just...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
You just keep insisting that Zillow estimates have useful an...
charcoal stimulating theatre
  05/29/25
https://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&m...
Doobsian Aqua Headpube
  05/29/25
actual sold prices nearby from a somewhat recent timeframe a...
frum faggot firefighter foreskin
  05/29/25
...
charcoal stimulating theatre
  05/29/25
you can generate a Private Estimate with nearby comps. this ...
Flatulent Twinkling Indirect Expression
  05/29/25
If you pay attention, they give a distribution. It's almost ...
Heady impertinent toilet seat
  05/29/25
Boomers will believe anything
provocative chartreuse garrison goyim
  05/29/25
They’re understated in my area. They have trouble acc...
zippy roast beef
  05/29/25
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/ar-AA1FHCtC An...
charcoal stimulating theatre
  05/29/25
Mine is too low
Floppy jewess
  05/29/25


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Date: May 29th, 2025 10:51 AM
Author: Painfully Honest Market

Seem like it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970543)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 10:52 AM
Author: Mewling Green Cuckoldry Whorehouse

Too high or too low?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970547)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 10:52 AM
Author: Painfully Honest Market

Too high.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970549)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 10:53 AM
Author: excitant stubborn turdskin

yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970551)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 10:55 AM
Author: swashbuckling mediation abode

yes. too high.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970554)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 10:57 AM
Author: Flatulent Twinkling Indirect Expression

pretty sure mine is about 130000K too high.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970558)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 2:48 PM
Author: Splenetic knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48971338)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:04 AM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

my area is too low. all the recent sales have the zestimate shooting up 200k to reflect the updated zestimate upon sale.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970575)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:05 AM
Author: soul-stirring buff sandwich ape

yeah real estate is a complete fraud

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970577)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:07 AM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

(guy with no assets or income)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970583)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:13 AM
Author: soul-stirring buff sandwich ape

lmao @ u being the only one piping up itt "h-hey I-I'm less poor than I think! right? right?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970600)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:16 AM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

it's just annoying to see you in every thread with a 1488 meatwad "that's kike" or "that's fraud" to everything.

how is real estate fraud? real estate is one of the only asset classes with real, tangible value. what is NOT fraud according to boner police?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970613)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:17 AM
Author: soul-stirring buff sandwich ape

you sound pretty mad about being poor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970617)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:19 AM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

imagine being outed as a NEET potatonigger and spending all your time calling other people niggers and poor on the internet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970619)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:21 AM
Author: Razzmatazz Pocket Flask

Edgy as fuck boner police gaped by gunnerattt itt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970628)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:23 AM
Author: soul-stirring buff sandwich ape

hi scholarship you're a short kike

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970639)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:22 AM
Author: soul-stirring buff sandwich ape

you seem pretty mad for a poor nigger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970633)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:10 AM
Author: Walnut bossy senate quadroon

An appraisal from somebody not willing to buy from you at the price they appraise it for is just an opinion. The price somebody is willing to pay you is a fact. If you care what your house is worth, have opendoor give you an offer, which they'll do for free. Your house is worth at least that much, but not more until you get a better offer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970590)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:14 AM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

this is retarded.

fair market appraisals are conducted for all sorts of assets. of course it's an opinion of what the market price will be. but getting an actual offer from ALL CASH scam doesn't give you a good idea of what your house is actually worth, it just gives you the floor price from a scam company at firesale prices.

i offer you $10 for your house right now. there, your house is worth at least that much, but not more until you get a better offer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970601)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:15 AM
Author: clear forum

Cr. This was one of the dumbest posts I’ve ever seen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970605)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:20 AM
Author: sticky locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970623)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:17 AM
Author: Walnut bossy senate quadroon

Sounds like you have a bright future at opendoor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970614)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:25 AM
Author: electric sienna institution

High prices drive traffic.

When zillow tried buying property based on their 'zestimates' they got owned and loss hundred million+

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970649)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:34 AM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

i think the zestimates are pretty accurate for houses in great condition.

zillow got fucked the same way carvana did. the genius silicon valley engineers never considered that people with houses/cars worth less than average would jump at the chance to sell at the market average. thus they wound up with a bunch of lemons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970678)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:26 AM
Author: Slate Comical Giraffe National Security Agency

the Zestimate jumps to whatever the house is listed for. e.g. it can be 400k for 2 years, then the house is listed for 500k, the Zestimate will immediately show a spike up to 499k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970652)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:30 AM
Author: sticky locus

one weird trick

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970662)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:33 AM
Author: Slate Comical Giraffe National Security Agency

https://imgur.com/a/WzhzHxO

first house I looked at was almost exactly my example

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970675)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:37 AM
Author: sticky locus

yup. ive poasted about this for years.

the trick is they're stealing the number that is from a valuation presumably performed by a somewhat rational listing agent who is attempting to get somewhat close to the home's market value. they know their model is absolute dogshit and that the listing agent's target price on average will be way the fuck closer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970685)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:41 AM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

how is it stealing? of course the model is going to incorporate listing and sale price. all it's essentially doing is aggregating that data along with lot size, house size, location, etc. and spitting out a number.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970693)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:45 AM
Author: sticky locus

BEEP BEEP BEEP. it's not literal theft. the point is that these models are total dogshit, and simply programming the model replace its default dogshit calculation with the listing price +/- $5k whenever a house gets listed doesn't make the model anything more than dogshit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970707)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:49 AM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

BEEP BEEP BEEP. my point is that without knowing anything about how zestimate is calculated any person would assume it listing and sales prices of nearby real estate would be heavily factored into the model.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970716)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:02 PM
Author: sticky locus

jfc, BEEP BEEP BEEP. a normie doesnt have a clue that the model is so retarded that it shoots up 100-200k to the listing price when a house gets listed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970753)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:06 PM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

maybe i am the autistic one here but i think even on a wordcel math-illiterate place like xo people would intuit that an algorithm estimating the value of something would heavily consider recent listings and sales.

then again, the understanding of statistics demonstrated during election season is so poor that perhaps you're right, friend. it just seems like such as "no shit" thing to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970764)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:08 PM
Author: sticky locus

jfc we're not talking about recent listings and sales. we're talking about the listing of the very home in question.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970771)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:13 PM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

again, "no shit."

if i valued a stock going public at $50 and the offeree listed it at $75 i would adjust my estimate.

all the zestimate is doing is automating the appraisal process. just like an appraisal it considers recent sales and adjusts them to that house. but when the house is actually sold that appraisal is outdated because the market price has been determined. of course an automated system would include the listing price heavily in particular to the *specific* asset being sold, just like in my IPO example above.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970786)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:16 PM
Author: sticky locus

and it does a pretty fucking shitty job at automating the appraisal process .... unless the house is literally listed for sale and it can steal the listing price and use that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970799)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:21 PM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

depends on variability and amount of data. as pointed out already it works great in areas where the houses are similar quality and there are frequent sales.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970820)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:10 PM
Author: charcoal stimulating theatre

You're missing the point. He's saying the model is made up flame because as soon as there's a listing, it just updates to the listing because that's what's actually accurate

He's right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970780)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: sticky locus

yes. this apspie is missing the point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970795)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:17 PM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

no, this is just another example of xo wordcels with zero understanding of algorithms making retarded observations

it's flame because it considers the listing price! wow, never would have guessed that an algorithm automating an appraisal would consider actual data like what it's listed and sold at! thanks for pointing out this complete non-obvious fact, now i know it's complete flame even though it many areas it's estimate correlates with actual sales very well!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970808)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:54 PM
Author: Slate Comical Giraffe National Security Agency

OH WHAT A DATA DRIVEN PREDICTIVE MODEL THAT CAN'T FORECAST ANYTHING BETTER THAN AN AVERAGE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970919)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

i'm itt talking about how it's often shit. this subthread is about how obvious listing price being factored in is and once again i've just overestimated this bort's ability to understand math and statistics.

HOLY SHIT A ZESTIMATE SHOOTS UP WHEN THE HOUSE LISTS AT A PRICE DIFFERENT THAN THE ESTIMATE! WOW, WHAT COMPLETE FLAME!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970946)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:07 PM
Author: Slate Comical Giraffe National Security Agency

the point you are not understanding is that nobody is saying that the listing information should be discarded. nobody is saying that.

what we are saying is that the "zestimate" itself is completely useless given the fact that it cannot even accurately predict the list price.

i have a bs/ms in math. i don't understand how you are saying nobody understands statistics.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970959)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 2:17 PM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

because it does a great job of predicting the listing price in areas where there is more data. i've had appraisers come in significantly off the market price too even when i prodded them to adjust it based on relevant data, only to be proven right when the market price is reached.

if you have a bs/ms in math then you'd also realize how stupid it is when people are like "polls got it wrong, what flame!" and you look at the data and it's a small sample amongst a population that doesn't reflect the electorate.

algorithms are tools like anything else. zestimate does a great job looking at housing sales, listings and comparing them to location and attributes like lot and housing size and spitting out a number. but just like any algorithm it's fallible, especially in ways that are hard to reflect in the data. for example it's very hard to estimate the quality of the house. i've seen flips in my neighborhood sell for 50%+ more in a few months, and for the information zillow considers it's the same house.

you wouldn't call quantitative security analysis flame just because it cannot account for soft factors like growth potential because of an upcoming product launch. it's a valuable tool despite it's limitations. same thing with zestimate. fucking humans with decades of expertise are often significantly off in predicting a market price, so is everything flame because perfection is unachievable?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48971224)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Slate Comical Giraffe National Security Agency

do you work for zillow or something wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48971245)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

all my poasts itt were fairly negative about it until i went around with you about "it takes into account listing price!" and how that makes it "complete flame!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48971265)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 2:26 PM
Author: charcoal stimulating theatre

"because it does a great job of predicting the listing price..."

No. No, it does not

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48971251)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 2:28 PM
Author: Slate Comical Giraffe National Security Agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48971262)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: sticky locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48971364)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

no, i get what he's saying. what i'm saying is that that doesn't make it flame.

houses usually sell around the listing price. the zestimate also will considers houses around the house being listed, which is why the zestimate isnt set *exactly* to the listing price.

if there were a bunch of fake listings being generated that corrupted the data it might be flame, but that's not the case. of course the listing price of an asset is going to be relative in an algorithm estimating what it's value is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970796)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:17 PM
Author: vibrant maroon internal respiration

Is your complaint that the model should already be able to predict what the exact listing price will be before it's listed?

I mean, if the model was perfect, then sure, but not sure how that's really possible to do. It's just an approximation based on stuff like square footage and past sale prices in the area. Other important data like the condition of the house, how nicely it was renovated, various intangibles, etc are not available to the model, so it can't be perfect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970804)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:20 PM
Author: sticky locus

the complaint is that the model is total fucking dogshit and is usually off by 100-200k

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970816)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:22 PM
Author: charcoal stimulating theatre

The "complaint" is that they're fucking fraud, lol. "Zillow" is not providing any kind of value add. They just make shit up in order to sell ads

The actual "service" provided by Zillow is essentially house porn that allows bored women and husbandjaks to endlessly scroll and browse through a bunch of houses and waste their time and/or cause them anxiety and/or confuse them about the housing market

As others pointed out in this thread, when they tried to actually buy and sell in the housing market, they got raped and lost money. They suck. They're fart app, ad-selling flame, just like everything else in the fake and gay (((digital economy)))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970824)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:25 PM
Author: sticky locus



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:08 PM
Author: Slate Comical Giraffe National Security Agency

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970963)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:09 PM
Author: soul-stirring buff sandwich ape

*chef's kiss*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970968)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: charcoal stimulating theatre

Correct

Someone in this thread who actually understands this shit thank god

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970701)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: charcoal stimulating theatre

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970704)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:35 AM
Author: clear forum

They are pretty accurate IME. A lot of divorce cases, we’ll do an initial assessment of the real estate using zestimates to see if the parties will consent to using it for valuation purposes. Many times they’ll say no and insist on having an appraisal done, which is itself far from an exact science. The zestimates are usually not far off from the appraisals or sale prices I see.

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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:53 AM
Author: electric sienna institution

"usually"

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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:39 AM
Author: sticky locus

whether they're somewhat fraud to total fraud depends largely on how much properties in that area are interchangeable commodities. for a condo building or a tract house neighborhood were all the houses are the same and of the same condition, it's somewhat fraud. in a neighborhood, where all the houses are totally different and may be in totally different conditions, it's total horseshit.

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Date: May 29th, 2025 11:43 AM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

yeah, my area goes from prole to mansion within 1/4 mile, houses are 100+ years old so they go from dilapidated to gorgeous. the estimate prices are all over the place and all the recent sales were undervalued by at least 25%.

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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:35 PM
Author: vibrant maroon internal respiration

Ok, but this is an inherent limitation of the data that is available to the Zillow model and without Zillow hiring people to go look inside everyone's house (like a human agent can), it can't be meaningfully improved. So not sure what the complaint is here, (besides that Zillow should just stop publishing any estimate at all if it can't be perfect).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48971059)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:57 PM
Author: sticky locus

the complaint is exactly that these models are such pure shit that they shouldnt publish them, and the only reason they publish them is bc the company is a scam

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48971149)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 2:06 PM
Author: Slate Comical Giraffe National Security Agency



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Date: May 29th, 2025 2:11 PM
Author: charcoal stimulating theatre



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Date: May 29th, 2025 2:19 PM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

i'm not complaining, i'm autistically arguing above how just because it's limited and imperfect doesn't make it completely useless. it's quite useful if you understand how it works, just like any other algorithm, which are *NEVER* perfect but can have such extremely accurate predictive power that they're taking over everything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48971232)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 2:23 PM
Author: charcoal stimulating theatre

You just keep insisting that Zillow estimates have useful and accurate predictive power. They do not. You just keep asserting this, over and over, even though it's completely wrong

We literally have empirical proof of this. We don't have to guess. Zillow tried to buy and sell houses themselves, based on their own best estimates, with their own money on the line, and lost money. Their estimates are objectively bad. They are bad at estimating house prices. No one should be paying any attention to their house price estimates. It could not be any clearer

Insane performance from you in this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48971240)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 2:28 PM
Author: Doobsian Aqua Headpube

https://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&mc=67&forum_id=2#48970678

they are great in the aggregate, more limited on an individual basis, and gives a good jumping off point just like any other stat. not going around about this anymore but you're like someone irate at statistic for 2.3 children per household: "OMG NO ONE HAS A THIRD OF A CHILD! IT'S ALWAYS WRONG!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48971259)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:14 PM
Author: frum faggot firefighter foreskin

actual sold prices nearby from a somewhat recent timeframe are a better indicator

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970792)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:23 PM
Author: charcoal stimulating theatre



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:54 PM
Author: Flatulent Twinkling Indirect Expression

you can generate a Private Estimate with nearby comps. this is far more accurate afaik.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48971129)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 12:59 PM
Author: Heady impertinent toilet seat

If you pay attention, they give a distribution. It's almost always going to be somewhere in that distribution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48970939)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 2:07 PM
Author: provocative chartreuse garrison goyim

Boomers will believe anything

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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:07 PM
Author: zippy roast beef

They’re understated in my area. They have trouble accounting for the mixed housing stock with older smaller homes on cute streets mixed in with new tract abominations on treeless former pastures mixed in with stately old homes on beautiful land.

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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:43 PM
Author: charcoal stimulating theatre

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/ar-AA1FHCtC

And even long after the sale has gone through, all kinds of information about the home remain a click away. It’s the digital equivalent of rifling through the medicine cabinet.

“I have friends who are single who, before they go over to a new boyfriend or girlfriend’s house, they will Google the house to see it, in the same way that they do the social media snoop,” says Linsell. “It’s almost like part of the vetting process now.”

For many, though, a real house hunt couldn’t be further from reach. So instead, they turn to these online listings as a calorie-free substitute. “Homeownership has become much more difficult,” says Linsell. “And this has become a place where you go and look at the things that you can’t have.”

Total Zillow Death

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48972292)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:57 PM
Author: Floppy jewess

Mine is too low

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5731018&forum_id=2)#48972319)