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KOHBERGER TAKES A PLEA DEAL

4 consecutive life sentences + 10 years, waives right to app...
glittery headpube
  06/30/25
DA should be lynched
Outnumbered Lay
  06/30/25
why not take LWOP and move on if the defendant is willing to...
Lavender genital piercing
  06/30/25
This is how the DP is used in every state that has it. Defen...
glittery headpube
  06/30/25
the parents of the stabbed girls are pissed af apparently
frum hospital
  07/01/25
the state represents all of people, not just the victims. yo...
Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
real head scratcher why everyone hates jewish lawyers
frum hospital
  07/01/25
Yeah just do listen to the victim’s family. Works gre...
Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
instead we should listen to cumfarter jewish lawyers who hav...
frum hospital
  07/01/25
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Talented tank friendly grandma
  07/01/25
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Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
"spend[ing] 20 million dollars over the life of the cas...
heady stag film faggot firefighter
  07/01/25
Its idaho they'd kill him pretty quick and I think they do i...
Outnumbered Lay
  07/01/25
flame. there's all sorts of federal appeals.
Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
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Cowardly avocado wrinkle
  07/01/25
I truly don't understand taking a deal just to get to be in ...
Balding big-titted alpha
  06/30/25
cr. Lethal injection seems pretty chill. Who wants to rot in...
Misunderstood partner shrine
  06/30/25
There's always hope that a Democrat politician will issue bl...
Trip Police Squad
  06/30/25
Idaho brought back the firing squad
Unholy deer antler kitty cat
  06/30/25
they probably just want to get over it because of shame
territorial mad cow disease
  06/30/25
Some people don't mind prison. A guy like Kohberger wants to...
glittery headpube
  06/30/25
Probably is going to get tons of fan mail from nubile women ...
Misunderstood partner shrine
  06/30/25
The COs read their mail and shit I don't think they get to s...
glittery headpube
  06/30/25
in prison the dudes consensually have sex with each other ri...
Aqua Tattoo
  07/01/25
Consent takes on a new meaning in prison.
Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
Cr, a lot of big bucks doing life are rehabilitated and full...
Vivacious Boiling Water
  07/01/25
he put a lot of effort into it, but fucked up a lot of detai...
Peach Diverse Masturbator
  06/30/25
The reason serial killers are so bad at it is they are compl...
glittery headpube
  06/30/25
i'm open to collaboration
Peach Diverse Masturbator
  06/30/25
It’s just not practical anymore. You can’t just ...
Misunderstood partner shrine
  06/30/25
My buddy's a detective and is literally like 105 IQ and he s...
glittery headpube
  06/30/25
explain how judge approve them ? is there always pc?
territorial mad cow disease
  06/30/25
Yeah he was telling me about it. He says it's tough you only...
glittery headpube
  06/30/25
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Unholy deer antler kitty cat
  06/30/25
"He told the guy we got so much evidence on you we don'...
Vivacious Boiling Water
  07/01/25
Cr his humor is kind of corny. But unlike CSI actors he's a ...
glittery headpube
  07/01/25
on the verge of cumming and shit while gutting coeds like a ...
Vivacious Boiling Water
  07/01/25
What’s in it for the state? This guy deserves the DO. ...
Stimulating magical state
  06/30/25
Counterpoint trials are traumatic and appeals cost the state...
glittery headpube
  06/30/25
The families can sit outside the courtroom for that part. Th...
Stimulating magical state
  06/30/25
What'll like happen. Will the DA lose reelection over this? ...
glittery headpube
  06/30/25
You keep saying that without any reason except it saves the ...
Stimulating magical state
  06/30/25
How much money do you think they have in Moscow, Idaho to fi...
glittery headpube
  06/30/25
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Peach Diverse Masturbator
  06/30/25
They can do it for the 1000 other cases. Not this one. The s...
Stimulating magical state
  06/30/25
This happened in my state a few years ago. Grizzly murders, ...
glittery headpube
  07/01/25
How many bears died?
Low-t Adventurous House Ladyboy
  07/01/25
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  07/01/25
Poast/moniker
Vivacious Boiling Water
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  07/01/25
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  07/01/25
You must live in a lib state, idaho should be better than th...
Outnumbered Lay
  07/01/25
Nah red state that actually kills a lot of people. They just...
glittery headpube
  07/01/25
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Stimulating magical state
  07/01/25
good post/moniker sync itt
frum hospital
  07/01/25
CR They got the guy, he's never going to have the opportu...
Talented tank friendly grandma
  07/01/25
If all we're concerned about is that he won't do this again ...
Stimulating magical state
  07/01/25
he's still getting LWOP
Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
he should be shot in the head. if the problem is jewish law...
frum hospital
  07/01/25
Decision makers have to live in reality. Easy for you to mou...
Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
jewish cumfarter lawyers should be removed from the decision...
frum hospital
  07/01/25
Sure, but that’s not happening. Again, welcome to real...
Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
the guy should be executed ASAP. sadly that outcome is not p...
Turquoise half-breed
  07/01/25
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Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
just ignore the legal system then. no one needs to listen t...
frum hospital
  07/01/25
Your schtick is getting very tired very quickly
Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
no its not the best outcome. the best outcome is you prove t...
Stimulating magical state
  07/01/25
Given that this will cost the taxpayers millions of dollars,...
Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
last person to be executed in idaho was in 2012. there are p...
Turquoise half-breed
  07/01/25
...
Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
the sufficiency of evidence has bearing on whether he's foun...
Stimulating magical state
  07/01/25
no clue? because you said the evidence is overwhelming as pa...
Turquoise half-breed
  07/01/25
that was in response to "this is the best result that c...
Stimulating magical state
  07/01/25
cmon bro this is consuela tier sophistry. regardless, i j...
Turquoise half-breed
  07/01/25
it doesn't matter if its 15 years or 40 years. i really dont...
Stimulating magical state
  07/01/25
i said right from the outset the guy should be executed ASAP...
Turquoise half-breed
  07/01/25
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wonderful blathering school cafeteria
  07/01/25
eh i'm an anti DP mo unless you actually can't safely keep s...
Talented tank friendly grandma
  07/01/25
At this point in our fucked up legal system, if the DP is on...
Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
pussy
Stimulating magical state
  07/01/25
it's the right call, he's waiving his appeals so he's locked...
wonderful blathering school cafeteria
  07/01/25
you have no idea if there are 'appealable issues' inhouse co...
Stimulating magical state
  07/01/25
We love the DP. We just live in reality unlike some basement...
Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
No you dont you twink fag.
Stimulating magical state
  07/01/25
I’m pro DP for any murder of any degree. The Torah pro...
Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
No you aren't. otherwise you'd be for the death penalty in a...
Stimulating magical state
  07/01/25
Low IQ schtick? I’m for him getting the DP. I also rec...
Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
Jew? You're not for him getting the death penalty if you're ...
Stimulating magical state
  07/01/25
Your “argument” requires literally misrepresenti...
Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
Ok jew
Stimulating magical state
  07/01/25
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Turquoise half-breed
  07/01/25
i am anti death penalty personally but that has no bearing o...
wonderful blathering school cafeteria
  07/01/25
one case is not a "massive expense". there are cas...
Stimulating magical state
  07/01/25
Yeah but in my alternate version of reality we run an effici...
Autistic aquamarine foreskin
  07/01/25
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Lavender genital piercing
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Turquoise half-breed
  07/01/25
we don't know his motive. he apparently has autism and a his...
Turquoise half-breed
  07/01/25
Nothing in any litigation should take decades. A surgeon can...
Titillating Digit Ratio Parlour
  07/01/25
cr, law is the most retarded profession
wonderful blathering school cafeteria
  07/01/25
This assumes he won’t file infinity habeas and ineffec...
laughsome buff brunch round eye
  07/01/25
Dude is in Idaho, right? How's the food in Idaho state priso...
Titillating Digit Ratio Parlour
  07/01/25
https://www.idoc.idaho.gov/content/document/sample_food_serv...
wonderful blathering school cafeteria
  07/01/25
I eat farina and I didnt even get to kill 4 people....
Titillating Digit Ratio Parlour
  07/01/25
dinners are pretty good but breakfast isn't great (no eggs, ...
Unholy deer antler kitty cat
  07/01/25
lol'd at "cereal bar and sunflower seeds" for lunc...
wonderful blathering school cafeteria
  07/01/25
I did a double take at this, how can a grown man survive on ...
Unholy deer antler kitty cat
  07/01/25
Scrambled eggs on Wed
fishy volcanic crater
  07/01/25
lots of margarine for a dairy state. tons of peanut butte...
Peach Diverse Masturbator
  07/01/25
Sucks he doesn't get the firing squad but god willing he is ...
Orange Mental Disorder Trump Supporter
  07/01/25
This is a riskier case than people think. The best evidence...
jade overrated institution stain
  07/01/25
if yer #s are right why he take deal
territorial mad cow disease
  07/01/25
Could be he did the math differently, risk aversion to DP if...
jade overrated institution stain
  07/01/25
there could also be nonpublic evidence that reduces his NG o...
Turquoise half-breed
  07/01/25
risk aversion on both sides is generally how deals are made
Lavender genital piercing
  07/01/25
...
Turquoise half-breed
  07/01/25
didn't read many posts above this is why the death penalty ...
Sienna spectacular business firm
  07/02/25
What
Supple Halford
  07/06/25
fulano, are you retarded?
Sienna spectacular business firm
  07/06/25
when I read a post of yours, yes, I become more and more ret...
Supple Halford
  07/08/25
is that a 5th or 6th grade reply?
Sienna spectacular business firm
  07/08/25
Thread summary: The death penalty is there to keep you from ...
floppy slippery dilemma
  07/06/25
i'd add in. "and given this is all the death penalty...
Lavender genital piercing
  07/06/25


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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: glittery headpube

4 consecutive life sentences + 10 years, waives right to appeal in exchange for no death penalty. Kaylee Goncalves parents claim the plea deal was rushed and they were never consulted. Prosecution says the other family of the victims were on board, spares a gruesome trial.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062116)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:26 PM
Author: Outnumbered Lay

DA should be lynched

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062131)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:28 PM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

why not take LWOP and move on if the defendant is willing to cop a plea and waive any appellate rights? the DP seems like a good card to use to extract a LWOP plea and spare the government of 30 years of death penalty kike litigation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062139)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:33 PM
Author: glittery headpube

This is how the DP is used in every state that has it. Defendants get spooked, choke up, and will give the state what they want in exchange for no DP. It's a one weird trick. Saves states millions and millions of dollars. Spares victims families. The only people who are MAF are the ones who want to spend 20 million dollars over the life of the case just to put a bullet in a guy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062145)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 7:39 AM
Author: frum hospital

the parents of the stabbed girls are pissed af apparently

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062562)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 8:41 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

the state represents all of people, not just the victims. you cant please everyone. if we were the parents, we'd likely feel the same way. that doesn't mean it's not the the rational result.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062653)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:18 AM
Author: frum hospital

real head scratcher why everyone hates jewish lawyers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062718)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:33 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

Yeah just do listen to the victim’s family. Works great if the victim is some shitlib

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062756)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:39 AM
Author: frum hospital

instead we should listen to cumfarter jewish lawyers who have no actual power or authority.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062767)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 7:40 AM
Author: Talented tank friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062566)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 8:41 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062654)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:21 AM
Author: heady stag film faggot firefighter

"spend[ing] 20 million dollars over the life of the case" is the real issue

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062916)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 3:10 AM
Author: Outnumbered Lay

Its idaho they'd kill him pretty quick and I think they do it by firing squad now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062409)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 7:08 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

flame. there's all sorts of federal appeals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062498)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:06 AM
Author: Cowardly avocado wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062697)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:27 PM
Author: Balding big-titted alpha

I truly don't understand taking a deal just to get to be in prison longer, and a death penalty trial gets you tons of additional options and shitlib judges on your side on appeal, stupid lawyers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062136)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:30 PM
Author: Misunderstood partner shrine

cr. Lethal injection seems pretty chill. Who wants to rot in a jail cell for 5 decades with no hope of getting out? Torture.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062140)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:32 PM
Author: Trip Police Squad

There's always hope that a Democrat politician will issue blanket pardons in fifteen years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062143)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 11:48 PM
Author: Unholy deer antler kitty cat

Idaho brought back the firing squad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062258)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: territorial mad cow disease

they probably just want to get over it because of shame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062141)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:36 PM
Author: glittery headpube

Some people don't mind prison. A guy like Kohberger wants to relive the crimes, be a big to do, get lots of respect. Tons of people don't mind prison and it's not a deterrent for many. Bryan will get a ton of fan mail, get to consult on Hollywood projects and books written about him. Guys who don't mind doing time at all describe it as summer camp without the sex. The only drawback is there's no women around but as long as you don't really care about sex what's the downside? You get free meals and have a strict bedtime? You get to play dice with your friends and bet with bags of chips?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062149)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:39 PM
Author: Misunderstood partner shrine

Probably is going to get tons of fan mail from nubile women to jerk off to at least

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062153)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:41 PM
Author: glittery headpube

The COs read their mail and shit I don't think they get to see nudes but maybe a face pic.

I always want wondered where do these guys jerk off? If you are wanking when the lights go down do they like come over and tell you to stfu or what?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062162)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:41 AM
Author: Aqua Tattoo

in prison the dudes consensually have sex with each other right? they probably jerk off whenever they want

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062774)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:49 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

Consent takes on a new meaning in prison.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062795)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:28 AM
Author: Vivacious Boiling Water

Cr, a lot of big bucks doing life are rehabilitated and fully woke on the topic of affirmative consent and power dynamics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062938)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:37 PM
Author: Peach Diverse Masturbator

he put a lot of effort into it, but fucked up a lot of details. i hope we can all learn from his mistakes.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062150)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:40 PM
Author: glittery headpube

The reason serial killers are so bad at it is they are completely engrossed in a fantasy while it's happening. If a normal person was training to do it without any passion or emotion certainly a lot more would get away. But these guys are all on the verge of cumming and shit while they're gutting coeds like a pig so there's no way they could possibly be thinking straight enough to not fuck it up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062155)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:41 PM
Author: Peach Diverse Masturbator

i'm open to collaboration



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062161)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:43 PM
Author: Misunderstood partner shrine

It’s just not practical anymore. You can’t just kill some randos anymore in a big public way and expect to get away with it. Cameras everywhere, cell phone tracking, DNA ancestry databases. Even if you are thinking clearly, every little detail needs to be just right. He should have just offed a couple hookers near an interstate if he wanted to get away with it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062166)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:51 PM
Author: glittery headpube

My buddy's a detective and is literally like 105 IQ and he solves all these major cases and they think he's a fuckin law enforcement mastermind because he knows how to pull cell phone data and request digital search warrants and he's got 10 IQ points over the rest of the force and he's in the paper all the time solving famous cold cases and shit. His life is 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062172)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 11:11 PM
Author: territorial mad cow disease

explain how judge approve them ? is there always pc?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062192)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 11:26 PM
Author: glittery headpube

Yeah he was telling me about it. He says it's tough you only get narrow approval. He was trying to get blanket coverage to search for this guy's cell phone pinging off the tower and the judge was like fuk u, you get an hour. He was telling me how he narrowed down the time frame and shit and at this point he lost me it was some straight Jigsaw John shit he was talkin about ring cameras and geolocation and shit it sounded super complicated.

Anyway he got the search warrant for that hour and he got the suspect's phone pinging. It was an armed robbery of some guy selling Jordan's on Instagram. It was an inside job somebody knew the guy and where he'd be and shit. Buddy sold him out and these guys busted down the door and stole all his sneakers. The suspects almost got away but this dude got picked up on a weed charge a few weeks later and the whole case unraveled.

My buddy said husband favorite part of the job is confronting them with the evidence in the interrogation room. He told the guy we got so much evidence on you we don't even need the confession. The guy said "Go fuck yourself" and my buddy said "No thanks" and walked away. He said he was grinning ear to ear for the rest of the day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062212)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 11:49 PM
Author: Unholy deer antler kitty cat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062265)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:33 AM
Author: Vivacious Boiling Water

"He told the guy we got so much evidence on you we don't even need the confession. The guy said "Go fuck yourself" and my buddy said "No thanks" and walked away. He said he was grinning ear to ear for the rest of the day."

Ur buddy needs to work on his CSI one liner comebacks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062957)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:55 AM
Author: glittery headpube

Cr his humor is kind of corny. But unlike CSI actors he's a real cop.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49063209)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:30 AM
Author: Vivacious Boiling Water

on the verge of cumming and shit while gutting coeds like a pig tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062944)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 11:10 PM
Author: Stimulating magical state

What’s in it for the state? This guy deserves the DO. No plea should have been offered just because the prosecution wants to have a nice vacation this summer. Bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062190)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 11:29 PM
Author: glittery headpube

Counterpoint trials are traumatic and appeals cost the state shitloads of money.

You really want the family to have to sit through the prosecutor explaining that their daughters guts were hanging from the ceiling fan (a rumored fact of the case)?

And then for 20 years some extremely well funded morbidly obese Jewess lawyers show up argue against death because it's MORALLY WRONG FOR THE STATE TO KILL while draining local resources?

This plea is a no brainer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062216)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 11:36 PM
Author: Stimulating magical state

The families can sit outside the courtroom for that part. They don’t have to be in there. “Hey first day is going to extremely graphic don’t be here for opening statements.” “Ok”.

It’s the most gruesome murders in Idaho history and people need vengeance. Huge mistake by the state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062223)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 11:38 PM
Author: glittery headpube

What'll like happen. Will the DA lose reelection over this? Will the Latah County DA get voted out? What's at stake? Kohberger 4x life + no appeal. It's a no brainer dude.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062225)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 11:40 PM
Author: Stimulating magical state

You keep saying that without any reason except it saves the state money in appeals. I mean Lol who gives a fuck about saving money on appeals for the most high profile case in state history. How does that even factor into the decision.

The state is just lazy as fuck that’s why this happened. It’s a travesty of justice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062228)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 11:46 PM
Author: glittery headpube

How much money do you think they have in Moscow, Idaho to fight this shit in court for 25 years? You think they're just sitting on a giant bag of money?

BTW in state court for criminal cases a plea is almost always offered. And it's always to save money. The whole system runs on saving money. Always has.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062249)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 11:50 PM
Author: Peach Diverse Masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062268)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 11:54 PM
Author: Stimulating magical state

They can do it for the 1000 other cases. Not this one. The state as a whole pays it not the county of wherever Moscow is. He deserves death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062288)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 12:13 AM
Author: glittery headpube

This happened in my state a few years ago. Grizzly murders, national headlines. Defendant was offered LWOP to avoid the DP. Happens everywhere. I was mad about it too for a while but I got over it. This stuff happens in every state I guarantee it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062308)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 3:12 AM
Author: Low-t Adventurous House Ladyboy

How many bears died?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062411)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 AM
Author: lascivious underhanded field therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062899)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:35 AM
Author: Vivacious Boiling Water

Poast/moniker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062968)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:59 AM
Author: Cowardly avocado wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49063038)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:11 AM
Author: black cuckold affirmative action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49063077)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 3:14 AM
Author: Outnumbered Lay

You must live in a lib state, idaho should be better than this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062413)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 3:20 AM
Author: glittery headpube

Nah red state that actually kills a lot of people. They just have so many cases they always offering pleas. If EVERY defendant agreed simultaneously to go to trial the entire system would collapse. The state HATES trying cases. Virtually every state hates going to trial on anything ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062417)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:22 AM
Author: Stimulating magical state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062918)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 7:41 AM
Author: frum hospital

good post/moniker sync itt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062570)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 7:43 AM
Author: Talented tank friendly grandma

CR

They got the guy, he's never going to have the opportunity to do this again, now they can spend the money they would have spent on a high profile trial and inevitable death penalty appellate litigation on prosecuting other cases

leaving aside the morality of the death penalty this is clearly a good result

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062573)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 8:32 AM
Author: Stimulating magical state

If all we're concerned about is that he won't do this again let's just put him under strict house arrest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062643)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 8:42 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

he's still getting LWOP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062655)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:27 AM
Author: frum hospital

he should be shot in the head. if the problem is jewish lawyers doing decades of appeals then they should be told to go fuck themselves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062741)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:36 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

Decision makers have to live in reality. Easy for you to mouth off from your basement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062761)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:38 AM
Author: frum hospital

jewish cumfarter lawyers should be removed from the decision making process.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062764)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:45 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

Sure, but that’s not happening. Again, welcome to reality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062786)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:04 AM
Author: Turquoise half-breed

the guy should be executed ASAP. sadly that outcome is not possible under our current legal system. this is the best result that could reasonably be expected. people MAF about this are wishing the system would do something it doesnt do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062690)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:37 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062762)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:39 AM
Author: frum hospital

just ignore the legal system then. no one needs to listen to these faggot judges.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062765)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:47 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

Your schtick is getting very tired very quickly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062790)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:52 AM
Author: Stimulating magical state

no its not the best outcome. the best outcome is you prove the case at trial, and have the DP go to a conservative jury that will gladly agree to it. and then 15 years from now execute him. thats the best outcome. its also realistic. the evidence is overwhelming.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062801)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:55 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

Given that this will cost the taxpayers millions of dollars, perhaps getting him to cop a quick plea to LWOP is a better outcome. Reasonable minds can differ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062813)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:05 AM
Author: Turquoise half-breed

last person to be executed in idaho was in 2012. there are people who have been on death row since the 80s there (https://www.idoc.idaho.gov/content/prisons/death-row).

executing him within 15 years is not realistic. the sufficiency of the evidence has no bearing on anything. you think executions are scheduled based on how certain the guy is guilty?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062857)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062864)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:07 AM
Author: Stimulating magical state

the sufficiency of evidence has bearing on whether he's found guilty in the first place. no clue how you could infer that i think executions are scheduled based on how guilty someone is.

their guts were hanging from the ceiling fan. its deeply wrong to do an economic calculation in an era of such incredible waste and conclude that this is the smart penny pinching to do.

this plea is pure cowardice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062867)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 AM
Author: Turquoise half-breed

no clue? because you said the evidence is overwhelming as part of your argument that executing in 15 years is a reasonable expectation.

"and then 15 years from now execute him. thats the best outcome. its also realistic. the evidence is overwhelming."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062901)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:17 AM
Author: Stimulating magical state

that was in response to "this is the best result that could reasonably be expected."

which suggests that there are lesser outcomes that could happen like a NG which would never in a million years happen.

this isnt the "best outcome" that could reasonably be expected. thats the DP.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062907)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:26 AM
Author: Turquoise half-breed

cmon bro this is consuela tier sophistry.

regardless, i just poasted the list of idaho death row inmates and last execution as evidence 15 years is not a realistic expection. so putting you evidence comment aside, given that information, why would think this guy would be executed quicker than the others who were convicted of crimes just as heinous and have been on death row for 40 years?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062931)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:28 AM
Author: Stimulating magical state

it doesn't matter if its 15 years or 40 years. i really dont care. i was guessing it woiuld be 15, if its 40 then so be it.

the state must take a moral stand against these types of crimes. that the process has been corrupted by shitlibs is not a reason to throw in the towel.

do you agree that the state should be putting people to death for some murders, or are you opposed to the death penalty?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062940)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:35 AM
Author: Turquoise half-breed

i said right from the outset the guy should be executed ASAP.

fine, go join a death penalty advocacy group. right now you're just maf that the system is the way it is because of the Current Thing. will you still be maf tomorrow and actually working towards the change you want?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062965)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:10 AM
Author: wonderful blathering school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062884)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:18 AM
Author: Talented tank friendly grandma

eh i'm an anti DP mo unless you actually can't safely keep someone incarcerated (if someone is still killing behind bars or arranging hits etc outside of prison, then at that point you can't safely keep them there and you should kill them)

that said, i'll happily concede that this is the sort of guy you have a death penalty for and he's a sick fuck who should die, i just don't think the state should make that determination absent the case i mentioned above. but it has nothing to do with sympathy for the given criminal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49063100)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:44 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

At this point in our fucked up legal system, if the DP is on the books just to practically induce the most heinous defendants to quickly cop a LWOP plea, that’s the best we can hope for.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062784)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:08 AM
Author: Stimulating magical state

pussy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062874)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:10 AM
Author: wonderful blathering school cafeteria

it's the right call, he's waiving his appeals so he's locked up forever. trial judge has been ruling against defendant on everything, there are definite appealable issues that would take forever to sort out and could lead to new trials or other uncertainty down the line. best just to lock him up and be done with it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062883)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:11 AM
Author: Stimulating magical state

you have no idea if there are 'appealable issues' inhouse counsel. you just dont want the DP ever. so just say that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062890)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:13 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

We love the DP. We just live in reality unlike some basement virgins mouthing off itt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062895)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 AM
Author: Stimulating magical state

No you dont you twink fag.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062902)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:18 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

I’m pro DP for any murder of any degree. The Torah provides for this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062909)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:20 AM
Author: Stimulating magical state

No you aren't. otherwise you'd be for the death penalty in a case where a man cuts open 4 people and hangs their guts from the ceiling fan in the most premeditated of cases.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062912)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:23 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

Low IQ schtick? I’m for him getting the DP. I also recognize the reality of the world we live in, that the DP litigation is so retarded that it’s better just to take a quick LWOP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062920)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:25 AM
Author: Stimulating magical state

Jew? You're not for him getting the death penalty if you're not for him getting the death penalty in this case.

its not "better" for the state to plea to save some money when a defendant deserves death. its "better" to put him to death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062925)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:27 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

Your “argument” requires literally misrepresenting my words. You’re done here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062934)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:29 AM
Author: Stimulating magical state

Ok jew

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062942)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:27 AM
Author: Turquoise half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062935)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:14 AM
Author: wonderful blathering school cafeteria

i am anti death penalty personally but that has no bearing on my analysis here. even in the most open and shut DP cases they find minutia to drag out in appeals. ive been following this case somewhat and there are definitely significant issues a competent appellate attorney could run with. this could go on for decades at massive expense to the state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062896)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 AM
Author: Stimulating magical state

one case is not a "massive expense". there are cases where its worth it. this is one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062897)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:22 AM
Author: Autistic aquamarine foreskin

Yeah but in my alternate version of reality we run an efficient death penalty system. La La La I can’t hear any facts!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062917)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:24 AM
Author: Lavender genital piercing



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062922)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:35 AM
Author: Turquoise half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062967)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:32 AM
Author: Turquoise half-breed

we don't know his motive. he apparently has autism and a history of behavioral issues. tons to work with on appeal.

there aren't a lot of aggrevating circumstances here and a death penalty sentence isn't even a slam dunk. the guy has no criminal history. there is certainly a lot to work with on appeal. a random murderer with no history isn't usually the type of person that gets the dp let alone fast tracked.

this is just dead cute white girl syndrome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062956)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:36 AM
Author: Titillating Digit Ratio Parlour

Nothing in any litigation should take decades. A surgeon can rip out your kidney and put a new one in in under 6 hours and that takes like 10 years of school and shit to learn. Nothing a retard lawyer (and lets be honest, every last one of us is too stupid for medicine) can argue should ever take more than an afternoon. That we build a system where anything takes years or decades is an indictment on us as a nation and why we deserve all the shit we are all collectively in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062973)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:43 AM
Author: wonderful blathering school cafeteria

cr, law is the most retarded profession

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49063000)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:38 AM
Author: laughsome buff brunch round eye

This assumes he won’t file infinity habeas and ineffective assistance motions, which he will, and Idaho will pay for forever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062986)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:30 AM
Author: Titillating Digit Ratio Parlour

Dude is in Idaho, right? How's the food in Idaho state prison? Might not be so bad....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062946)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:32 AM
Author: wonderful blathering school cafeteria

https://www.idoc.idaho.gov/content/document/sample_food_service_menu

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062953)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:33 AM
Author: Titillating Digit Ratio Parlour

I eat farina and I didnt even get to kill 4 people....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062960)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:38 AM
Author: Unholy deer antler kitty cat

dinners are pretty good but breakfast isn't great (no eggs, ever?) and some of the lunches are quite shitty - I like PB&J but they're really serving that for lunch 3 days a week?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062983)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:42 AM
Author: wonderful blathering school cafeteria

lol'd at "cereal bar and sunflower seeds" for lunch on sunday

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49062999)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 12:14 PM
Author: Unholy deer antler kitty cat

I did a double take at this, how can a grown man survive on a granola bar and bird seed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49063254)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:32 AM
Author: fishy volcanic crater

Scrambled eggs on Wed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49063159)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 12:42 PM
Author: Peach Diverse Masturbator

lots of margarine for a dairy state.

tons of peanut butter. tons of pork. they serve fish, but never on a friday.

seems like a good menu, but designed by a troll.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49063372)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:07 AM
Author: Orange Mental Disorder Trump Supporter

Sucks he doesn't get the firing squad but god willing he is beat to death in the prison yard in a few years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49063068)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:21 AM
Author: jade overrated institution stain

This is a riskier case than people think. The best evidence is his DNA on a knife sheath near a victim. No DNA from him on victims. No DNA from victims on him. No eyewitness that can ID him. Witness saw shadowy figure, but was very intoxicated and went back to bed before calling 911. No other evidence putting him at crime scene. No murder weapon. No clear motive/connection to victims. Defense can poke holes in the DNA evidence and there might be unknown issues that could get it excluded. Seems like the witnesses/victims were heavy partiers, so defense can bring up all kinds of embarrassing stuff to attack credibility and suggest alternative theories.

Trial is probably 10% chance not guilty and 15% chance mistrial (where he would get a better plea after). Even assuming guilty verdict, there's a big chance he doesn't get DP (conservative Christians who believe in forgiveness, he has mental issues etc.). Even if he gets DP, there's a big chance he gets it reduced on appeal or strings out appeals for a few decades before he gets murdered or killself. So you are risking a not guilty with about the same probability as a DP being ultimately carried out, and most likely outcome is the same as he gets now (dies in prison).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49063113)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:22 AM
Author: territorial mad cow disease

if yer #s are right why he take deal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49063119)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:51 AM
Author: jade overrated institution stain

Could be he did the math differently, risk aversion to DP if he's a narcissist, didn't want to bankrupt family, genuine remorse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49063206)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 12:13 PM
Author: Turquoise half-breed

there could also be nonpublic evidence that reduces his NG odds.

but the most probable answer is risk adversion. it's easy for us to say it's statistically better to roll the dice. now imagine you're a layman actually facing death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49063249)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 12:01 PM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

risk aversion on both sides is generally how deals are made

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49063219)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 12:03 PM
Author: Turquoise half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49063220)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 11:52 PM
Author: Sienna spectacular business firm

didn't read many posts above

this is why the death penalty is important

the people who believe it is not a deterrent are wrong

but even if they are right

which they aren't

look at what it accomplished here. it removed any hope of kohberger lucking out because he was afraid of it. without the death penalty, this is a guaranteed trial

anyone who has had more than a couple jury trials, or has any common sense or erudition, understands that juries can act in really fucking irrational ways

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49067991)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:28 AM
Author: Supple Halford

What

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49075797)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: Sienna spectacular business firm

fulano, are you retarded?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49076256)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 3:42 PM
Author: Supple Halford

when I read a post of yours, yes, I become more and more retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49083172)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:35 PM
Author: Sienna spectacular business firm

is that a 5th or 6th grade reply?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49084611)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:44 AM
Author: floppy slippery dilemma

Thread summary: The death penalty is there to keep you from using our broken appeals system and wasting everyone's time and money.

Do I have that right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49075815)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 1:38 PM
Author: Lavender genital piercing

i'd add in.

"and given this is all the death penalty can be used for at this point in our ttt country, this alone still makes it better to have it than not have it"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744833&forum_id=2)#49076273)