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Kirkland V5 SECURE; Milbank V10 SECURE; Gibson DUNN HERE (V11)

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balding nofapping state
  06/26/25
how did S&C, DPW and STB all slip out of the top 5 over ...
very tactful drab gay wizard hell
  06/26/25
The real question is how on earth is Cravath still number on...
garnet rehab french chef
  06/26/25
cq. and how did skadden go from long-time top 2-3 to barely ...
very tactful drab gay wizard hell
  06/26/25
They must be bribing people or have some other scam. They&rs...
garnet rehab french chef
  06/26/25
the same way any giants slip. lack of innovation and failur...
Fuchsia House
  06/26/25
Because 20 years is a long fucking time?
Puce boyish pit
  06/27/25
still. those firms were in the top 5 for 100 years
very tactful drab gay wizard hell
  06/27/25
its still flame. no one thinks kirkland or latham is better ...
Buff associate
  06/27/25
CR. This whole “Kirkland is an elite firm” thin...
ungodly principal's office
  06/27/25
You're stuck in 2005.
Mischievous Concupiscible Business Firm
  06/27/25
so is xoxohth.com . it was better that way
very tactful drab gay wizard hell
  06/27/25
not disagreeing there ....
Mischievous Concupiscible Business Firm
  06/27/25
Yes they do. Things have changed a lot in the past 10-15 ye...
Mischievous Concupiscible Business Firm
  06/27/25
wtf is a #73 Troutman Pepper Locke
very tactful drab gay wizard hell
  06/26/25
Troutman Sanders/Pepper Hamilton/Locke Lord merger?
Wild native
  06/26/25
rofl so three shitty regional midlaw firms merge and beocme ...
very tactful drab gay wizard hell
  06/26/25
and wtf is a #86 Polsinelli is this spaceporn's firm?
very tactful drab gay wizard hell
  06/26/25
wtf is #100 Husch Blackwell LLP
very tactful drab gay wizard hell
  06/26/25
Very prestigious Kansas City, Missouri, firm with a storied ...
Deranged theatre
  06/27/25
180. Good for Millbank buying their way into the V10 via ass...
stubborn fragrant jew boltzmann
  06/26/25
Boies Schiller has really taken a tumble
Buff associate
  06/26/25
At Boies Schiller Flexner, associates toss aside the life ve...
very tactful drab gay wizard hell
  06/26/25
You know you’ve made it in the legal industry when you...
balding nofapping state
  06/26/25
Get your passport ready—DLA Piper has more than 90 off...
very tactful drab gay wizard hell
  06/26/25
Sidley — Come for the sophisticated work and stay for ...
useless wonderful spot
  06/27/25
lol cr, very chill happy bros
vibrant range
  06/27/25
I’ve worked at three big law firms and Sidley was the ...
Beta casino
  06/27/25
polite, amiable Midwesterners like Barry and Michael Obama
balding nofapping state
  06/27/25
wheres Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard and Smith?
Laughsome ocher theater stage
  06/26/25
where is _._. ______ law? should be top 100 after the pen...
very tactful drab gay wizard hell
  06/26/25
...
sooty impertinent potus step-uncle's house
  06/26/25
messenger bag logo facing OUT
Supple property
  06/26/25
My former firm baker hostetler holding down the 64 spot
odious red psychic ticket booth
  06/26/25
...
Tantric Fortuitous Meteor Half-breed
  06/27/25
Where does Hamlin Hamlin and McGill rank?
flatulent domesticated quadroon lodge
  06/27/25
What's board consensus on claiming vault prestige: (a) ranki...
Sable electric lay clown
  06/27/25
(c), with the argument that it was your hard work that made ...
Pontificating stage
  06/27/25
relatedly, same question about usnwr ug/ls rankings. (ask...
very tactful drab gay wizard hell
  06/27/25
I think the bands are consistent enough to just use them: ...
Sable electric lay clown
  06/27/25
How was penn?
very tactful drab gay wizard hell
  06/27/25
(jerry sandusky tp)
Buff associate
  06/27/25
I bet the “Carey” 2 and 3Ls would not be happy i...
ungodly principal's office
  06/27/25
...
very tactful drab gay wizard hell
  06/27/25
I’m currently at a V10 and I’d say consensus her...
painfully honest disturbing pisswyrm
  06/27/25
Clever Weil-bro post
Sable electric lay clown
  06/27/25
...
passionate field
  06/27/25
...
very tactful drab gay wizard hell
  06/27/25
True although STB is SPS now
Pontificating stage
  06/27/25
How is STB?
ungodly principal's office
  06/27/25
Does Kirkland still SHATTER the market??
topaz immigrant
  06/27/25
YOURE A PARTNER
Buff associate
  06/27/25
Man, it's still a great shtick for them. In-house business ...
Supple property
  06/27/25
...
Burgundy histrionic church building rigor
  06/27/25
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Buff associate
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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:42 PM
Author: balding nofapping state

https://vault.com/best-companies-to-work-for/law/top-100-law-firms-rankings

#1

Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP

#2

Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz

#3

Skadden

#4

Latham & Watkins

#5

Kirkland & Ellis

#6

Sullivan & Cromwell LLP

#7

Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP

#8

Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP

#9

Milbank LLP

#10

Simpson Thacher

#11

Gibson Dunn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052006)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:44 PM
Author: very tactful drab gay wizard hell

how did S&C, DPW and STB all slip out of the top 5 over the past 20 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052012)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:42 PM
Author: garnet rehab french chef

The real question is how on earth is Cravath still number one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052822)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:45 PM
Author: very tactful drab gay wizard hell

cq. and how did skadden go from long-time top 2-3 to barely in the top 5 (perhaps sometimes out?) to back to solid top 3?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052832)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:48 PM
Author: garnet rehab french chef

They must be bribing people or have some other scam. They’ve been losing partners/business for ages.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052838)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:50 PM
Author: Fuchsia House

the same way any giants slip. lack of innovation and failure to adjust to modernity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052842)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 7:41 AM
Author: Puce boyish pit

Because 20 years is a long fucking time?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053272)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:52 AM
Author: very tactful drab gay wizard hell

still. those firms were in the top 5 for 100 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053413)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:07 AM
Author: Buff associate

its still flame. no one thinks kirkland or latham is better than s&c or dpw. skadden perhaps has a case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053456)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:10 AM
Author: ungodly principal's office

CR. This whole “Kirkland is an elite firm” thing is rancid flame. Place is full of UIUC grads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053468)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:28 PM
Author: Mischievous Concupiscible Business Firm

You're stuck in 2005.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49054437)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:34 PM
Author: very tactful drab gay wizard hell

so is xoxohth.com . it was better that way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49054461)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:34 PM
Author: Mischievous Concupiscible Business Firm

not disagreeing there ....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49054462)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:29 PM
Author: Mischievous Concupiscible Business Firm

Yes they do. Things have changed a lot in the past 10-15 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49054440)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:46 PM
Author: very tactful drab gay wizard hell

wtf is a #73 Troutman Pepper Locke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052014)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:28 PM
Author: Wild native

Troutman Sanders/Pepper Hamilton/Locke Lord merger?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052790)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:39 PM
Author: very tactful drab gay wizard hell

rofl so three shitty regional midlaw firms merge and beocme biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052821)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:47 PM
Author: very tactful drab gay wizard hell

and wtf is a #86 Polsinelli

is this spaceporn's firm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052016)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: very tactful drab gay wizard hell

wtf is #100 Husch Blackwell LLP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052023)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:53 AM
Author: Deranged theatre

Very prestigious Kansas City, Missouri, firm with a storied history and full service range of practice areas.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053336)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: stubborn fragrant jew boltzmann

180. Good for Millbank buying their way into the V10 via associate pay increases.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052025)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:53 PM
Author: Buff associate

Boies Schiller has really taken a tumble

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052039)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:54 PM
Author: very tactful drab gay wizard hell

At Boies Schiller Flexner, associates toss aside the life vest and dive right in, and lawyers at this litigation powerhouse wouldn’t have it any other way. Litigators looking to roll up their sleeves and learn on the job will feel right at home here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052044)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:20 PM
Author: balding nofapping state

You know you’ve made it in the legal industry when you’ve landed a spot at Latham & Watkins.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052774)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:38 PM
Author: very tactful drab gay wizard hell

Get your passport ready—DLA Piper has more than 90 offices (including relationship firms) around the world and is home to more than 4,000 lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052820)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:13 AM
Author: useless wonderful spot

Sidley — Come for the sophisticated work and stay for the polite, amiable Midwestern vibes as well as the sincere commitment to building a welcoming and inclusive workplace.

lol yeah lots of folksy people wandering the halls there. They just love small talk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053140)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:49 AM
Author: vibrant range

lol cr, very chill happy bros

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053406)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 12:10 PM
Author: Beta casino

I’ve worked at three big law firms and Sidley was the most transactional by far. Nobody gave a fuck about anybody else other than their tiny in group and they just rented the Sidley brand name.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053841)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 2:08 PM
Author: balding nofapping state

polite, amiable Midwesterners like Barry and Michael Obama

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49054162)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:55 PM
Author: Laughsome ocher theater stage

wheres Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard and Smith?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052048)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:57 PM
Author: very tactful drab gay wizard hell

where is _._. ______ law?

should be top 100 after the penis verdict

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052055)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:44 PM
Author: sooty impertinent potus step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052828)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:30 PM
Author: Supple property

messenger bag logo facing OUT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052792)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:54 PM
Author: odious red psychic ticket booth

My former firm baker hostetler holding down the 64 spot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49052844)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 2:38 AM
Author: Tantric Fortuitous Meteor Half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053127)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:01 AM
Author: flatulent domesticated quadroon lodge

Where does Hamlin Hamlin and McGill rank?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053137)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 6:14 AM
Author: Sable electric lay clown

What's board consensus on claiming vault prestige: (a) ranking from your time as an associate, (b) current rank, or (c) whichever is higher

I believe in (a)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053216)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 6:44 AM
Author: Pontificating stage

(c), with the argument that it was your hard work that made it increase after you left

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053237)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 7:01 AM
Author: very tactful drab gay wizard hell

relatedly, same question about usnwr ug/ls rankings.

(asking for a silent gen friend who went to umich when it was #1)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053245)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:05 AM
Author: Sable electric lay clown

I think the bands are consistent enough to just use them:

HYS (Just use school name)

CCNP (just say top 5 and hope you don't have to explain)

BVMN (just say top 10)

TTT (anywhere lower, pretend you're a plumber)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053287)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: very tactful drab gay wizard hell

How was penn?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053374)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:09 AM
Author: Buff associate

(jerry sandusky tp)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053463)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:15 AM
Author: ungodly principal's office

I bet the “Carey” 2 and 3Ls would not be happy if they knew their CDO was spending time advertising on xo instead of making connections at regional DLA Piper offices.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053489)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 1:38 PM
Author: very tactful drab gay wizard hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49054103)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 7:40 AM
Author: painfully honest disturbing pisswyrm

I’m currently at a V10 and I’d say consensus here is (c) - also FWIW no one is under any illusion that Kirkland and Kirkland branded products (e.g., Skadden and Latham) are prestigious. No one at my T6 (historical) wanted to go there.

The legacy undisputed V5 is WLRK, CSM, S&C, DPW and STB.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053271)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:03 AM
Author: Sable electric lay clown

Clever Weil-bro post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053286)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:43 AM
Author: passionate field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053324)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: very tactful drab gay wizard hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053373)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:43 AM
Author: Pontificating stage

True although STB is SPS now



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053393)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:11 AM
Author: ungodly principal's office

How is STB?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053474)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:19 AM
Author: topaz immigrant

Does Kirkland still SHATTER the market??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053501)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:20 AM
Author: Buff associate

YOURE A PARTNER

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053507)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 2:20 PM
Author: Supple property

Man, it's still a great shtick for them. In-house business guys are impressed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49054201)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 12:01 PM
Author: Burgundy histrionic church building rigor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053812)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 12:02 PM
Author: Buff associate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2).#49053817)