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just do alienate and antagonize europe

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Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
They can't even buy a kitchen knife without an id
Hateful Stage
  06/06/25
you're a gay zionist shut-in and your opinion on american-eu...
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
i think its more of a testament to their t levels
Hateful Stage
  06/06/25
you are a nigger.
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
oh look, ur women love nigger cock
Hateful Stage
  06/06/25
(guy who thinks Doordash commercials are real life)
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
it’s called holding those faggots accountable how d...
scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park
  06/06/25
the nature of the arrangement there is over the head of most...
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
"the administration seems intent on squandering an inhe...
nofapping thriller cuckold
  06/06/25
the post-war consensus and the systems that came out of it a...
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
lol @ framing responsibility for all of Europe’s secur...
scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park
  06/06/25
i think the error is in assuming that their 50 hours a week/...
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
Europe should only be viewed as a cautionary tale of what no...
arousing abode mother
  06/07/25
the point of life is not to create bigger and grander office...
Poppy Stain
  06/07/25
having your “culture” be nothing more than govt ...
arousing abode mother
  06/07/25
you’re full of shit, eurocuck Europeans maintained ...
scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park
  06/06/25
the major reasons behind european disarmament were things to...
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
yeah, the thousands and thousands of tanks were no longer ne...
scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park
  06/06/25
afaik for the europeans tanks were found to be of limited us...
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
yeah why would anyone need tanks on the plains of Europe ðŸ™...
scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park
  06/06/25
to europeans who already weathered the ideological storm of ...
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
why doesn’t Europe just produce their own energy?
arousing abode mother
  06/07/25
"continues to be extremely lucrative for the united sta...
gay spot legend
  06/06/25
i tend to agree and have never been a big proponent of direc...
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
I get the benefits. I mean in a traditional sense Germany is...
khaki house
  06/06/25
also their food is HIGHLY over rated
Heady legal warrant boistinker
  06/06/25
Europe is a godless place and they deserve everything they g...
Thirsty electric sanctuary
  06/06/25
really? because it seems like it's a lot of culturally cauca...
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
go back to Israel
Thirsty electric sanctuary
  06/06/25
you seem confused
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
culturally caucasian
angry trip pozpig stag film
  06/06/25
snip snip
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
many lubavitch tunnel kikes are saying this! too bad they...
slippery hideous box office
  06/06/25
any day now europe will start to take their own side i'm ...
metal den
  06/06/25
major W for russia and china when they do
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
europe decoupling from the united states is necessary for th...
metal den
  06/06/25
i don't actually agree with that but it is good that europea...
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
let me get this straight: you decry the US as a hopeless, co...
metal den
  06/06/25
if the US was wholly irredeemable we'd all be eschewing all ...
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
oh ok so you're just bullshitting about your US blackpilling...
metal den
  06/06/25
bearish on the US cultural and political outlook but bullish...
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
OH NO!!!!! WHAT WOULD WE DO WITHOUT EUROPE???
black cerebral place of business headpube
  06/06/25
The only things we need are ASML and Airbus
Frum chapel water buffalo
  06/06/25
They were doing their best to get any spoils from us/China f...
khaki house
  06/06/25
Chinese EVs are still gaining market share in spite of tarif...
scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park
  06/06/25
they're a better product than what EU or US EV auto manufact...
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
that is irrelevant they’re only affordable because ...
scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park
  06/06/25
i agree but also would note that whatever it is it's produci...
Poppy Stain
  06/06/25
Elon is early by 20+ years
scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park
  06/06/25
it's like cutting urself
Onyx Splenetic Toilet Seat
  06/06/25
Everyone with brains or balls left Europe long ago or died i...
beady-eyed principal's office crotch
  06/06/25
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scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park
  06/07/25
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irradiated internet-worthy electric furnace
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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:38 AM
Author: Poppy Stain



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48991947)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:40 AM
Author: Hateful Stage

They can't even buy a kitchen knife without an id

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48991953)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:45 AM
Author: Poppy Stain

you're a gay zionist shut-in and your opinion on american-european affairs is about as relevant as a ugandan headsman's

it's a testament to the patience and tolerance of the american public that israelis aren't being lynched in the streets after what AIPAC and likud have done to the US political system

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48991973)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:08 AM
Author: Hateful Stage

i think its more of a testament to their t levels

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992036)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:15 AM
Author: Poppy Stain

you are a nigger.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992051)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:17 AM
Author: Hateful Stage

oh look, ur women love nigger cock

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992056)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:20 AM
Author: Poppy Stain

(guy who thinks Doordash commercials are real life)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992065)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:46 AM
Author: scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park

it’s called holding those faggots accountable

how dare they demand the U.S. be their military protector while they spend next to nothing on their own defense?

fuck those fags in the ass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48991978)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:55 AM
Author: Poppy Stain

the nature of the arrangement there is over the head of most populists unfortunately

the post-war consensus between the US and Europe was, is, and continues to be extremely lucrative for the united states government, the american public, and the status of global stability and order. if anybody is getting the short end of the stick there it's the europeans, and even that has decent benefit for the EU nations. it's a trade off and one that EU leaders have historically been content with

trump is just using an uninformed public to squeeze blood from a stone, claiming to the people that we're getting screwed while being completely ignorant of the mechanics at work that make it a very good and beneficial arrangement for US interests. penny wise, pound foolish type stuff in the long run. the administration seems intent on squandering an inheritance that belongs to the people of this country on behalf of grifters and israel's desire to be freed from European diplomatic accountability on the Palestinian issue.

there are legitimate claims re: NATO provisions for defense spending and trade ties with china (admittedly completely hypocritical coming from the US) but this is something that needs to happen between diplomats in meeting rooms and is not a matter to rile up the public about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992001)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:20 AM
Author: nofapping thriller cuckold

"the administration seems intent on squandering an inheritance that belongs to the people of this country on behalf of grifters and israel's desire to be freed from European diplomatic accountability on the Palestinian issue."

good summary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992066)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:27 AM
Author: Poppy Stain

the post-war consensus and the systems that came out of it are what the state had to show to the people as merit for why American public life and civil liberties were both disrupted for a decade and why hundreds of thousands of men went to their deaths on the other side of the ocean

it's a serious matter

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992088)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:52 AM
Author: scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park

lol @ framing responsibility for all of Europe’s security as being an “inheritance”

those fags are working 30 hours a week with 6-8 weeks paid vacation a year and we’re supposed to send our boys over there to maintain their lifestyle?

no fucking thanks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992149)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:09 PM
Author: Poppy Stain

i think the error is in assuming that their 50 hours a week/5-6 week paid vacation quality of life facets comes at the expense of the american taxpayer, and that error is very much a "bucket of crabs" one at that

very easy to imagine a world where we could have that in the US as well, with a few adjustments here and there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992182)



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Date: June 7th, 2025 7:18 AM
Author: arousing abode mother

Europe should only be viewed as a cautionary tale of what not to do. not something we should aspire to be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48994183)



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Date: June 7th, 2025 7:26 AM
Author: Poppy Stain

the point of life is not to create bigger and grander office towers for the masters

it is to simply live and enjoy a decent standard of life that enables people to form and maintain things like communities and families. 90% of the complaints that this place has and makes week after week could be traced quite neatly to exploitation by the market, subtle class warfare, and other facets of our current economic system in need of the periodic reforms that are handily being ignored at a time where wealth inequality is exploding and american QoL is dropping like a stone in dead air

the spaniards have the right idea, the french, the czechs, the austrians. what we do to ourselves and each other here in the chase for a few dollars more is truly insane

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48994188)



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Date: June 7th, 2025 1:18 PM
Author: arousing abode mother

having your “culture” be nothing more than govt serf leeches being slowly genocided by third world immigrants is not something we should aspire to.

Wealth “inequality” is actually a good thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48994748)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:50 AM
Author: scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park

you’re full of shit, eurocuck

Europeans maintained massive militaries until the end of the Cold War, and then they decided to abdicate their responsibilities because they thought russia wasn’t a threat anymore. even shitlib Obama was calling for them to increase spending

then when russia became aggressive again the eurofags thought they could just call on DC to deal with the problem, and now they’re MAF that they’re expected to step up too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992145)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:59 AM
Author: Poppy Stain

the major reasons behind european disarmament were things to do with the drive towards anti-colonialism and the relinquishing of overseas territories and the advent of the european nuclear age iirc. it had less to do with the soviets than people commonly think. i'd have to check the figures for specifics but france began disarming after the OAN/Algeria debacle, Britain was a shadow of itself by the time that the Falklands War came about, and Spain/Portugal both disarmed and lost their taste for foreign adventurism after getting run out of africa

europe sans russia and germany and to a lesser degree france and the UK haven't kept many men under arms since WW2. it's been a slow but steady process of disarmament since the late 40s or 50s depending on the country in question

also advancements in NATO organizational protocol rendered the need for large professional armies sort of irrelevant

the russian resurgence is a huge strategic issue for europe but they're also sort of correct in running to daddy america to resolve it as the main reason that the russians "woke up" was from american intelligence needlessly mucking around in an eastern europe already on the track to westernization

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992166)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:03 PM
Author: scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park

yeah, the thousands and thousands of tanks were no longer needed to maintain overseas colonies

lol why do you bother lying so blatantly? being a eurocuck is such a weird thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992174)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:25 PM
Author: Poppy Stain

afaik for the europeans tanks were found to be of limited use in colonial pacification operations and were saddled with all sorts of logistical concerns that made deployment outside of the european theater of conflict expensive and a major producer of "drag" on operations. the costumes of war change all of the time and the various AMXs and Charioteers of the world were on the "nix" list in that go

military observers' experiences in and around the various african bush wars made it clear that conjunctions between air power and light infantry were going to be the model for western interventions and the model of war put forth by european defense planners changed in suit. even by the later part of ww2 the use of heavy armor was starting to show its limitations tbh

i also don't think any country that isn't the US or maybe china has hundreds of thousands of operable tanks at any time; certainly not these comparatively tiny european countries. russia's yuge theoretical armament #s turned out to be a paper tiger in vivo, judging by how poopy russia's performance has been against an eastern european grain state

once the soviet threat vanished there was just no need for the old equipment oriented around fighting an apocalyptic war over the fulda gap and the world was probably better off for it tbh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992213)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 1:20 PM
Author: scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park

yeah why would anyone need tanks on the plains of Europe 🙄

the Soviet threat was ideological, but the threat of russian imperialism never went away. not even a little bit. but Europeans are stupid fags so they refuse to be adults

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992384)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: Poppy Stain

to europeans who already weathered the ideological storm of communism, russia is a kleptocratic hermit crab neighbor that they have to haggle with to get cheap energy and not the all-consuming terror state that it was to americans

they're more passive towards russia because they have long standing ties there that the US doesn't imo. once the soviet government collapsed russia recalled a lot of its spies and intelligence personnel and didn't start sending them back en masse until ~2013-14

that said russia under this resurgent putin regime is clearly looking outwards towards europe again as their domestic economic situation gets shaky and it's not really clear what the west's response is going to be at this point

as an aside the establishment of the alliances with the gulf/qatari axis of states probably had a direct line of causation with the ukraine cash/land grab. cheaper petroleum becoming available to europeans through an expanded USA-umbrella energy market must've created a real strategic threat for the russians

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992404)



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Date: June 7th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: arousing abode mother

why doesn’t Europe just produce their own energy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48994757)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:02 PM
Author: gay spot legend

"continues to be extremely lucrative for the united states government, the american public"

Even if this is true, this ends in earnest upon the request for divisions of US soldiers being asked to go get maimed and murdered by Russian drones in Eastern Europe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992171)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:07 PM
Author: Poppy Stain

i tend to agree and have never been a big proponent of direct intervention in ukraine

at the same time spooks did what they did, it happened, and russia as a more aggressive problem is just an unfortunate reality that has to be dealt with somehow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992181)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:59 PM
Author: khaki house

I get the benefits. I mean in a traditional sense Germany is still occupied by US forces. But what good did it do us? Wow defacto Jewish world currency. Europe is hard set on self annihilation so it's not like we're preserving some sacred homeland. Again, another issue where the japanese got it right - isolate and if you age out so be it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992326)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 10:59 AM
Author: Heady legal warrant boistinker

also their food is HIGHLY over rated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992010)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:28 AM
Author: Thirsty electric sanctuary

Europe is a godless place and they deserve everything they get

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992090)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:31 AM
Author: Poppy Stain

really? because it seems like it's a lot of culturally caucasian villages with buildings, communities, and ways of life that have been going on unbroken for centuries while the united states descends into a mammonite pit of market exploitation, Schumpeterian "splitting of the atom" of American communities for the purposes of wealth extraction, and bucket of crabs scamming

are you sure they're the godless ones?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992097)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:32 AM
Author: Thirsty electric sanctuary

go back to Israel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992099)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:32 AM
Author: Poppy Stain

you seem confused

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992101)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:34 AM
Author: angry trip pozpig stag film

culturally caucasian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992104)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:35 AM
Author: Poppy Stain

snip snip

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992111)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:40 AM
Author: slippery hideous box office

many lubavitch tunnel kikes are saying this!

too bad they're from faggot communist bloodlines otherwise they may have a point that doesn't seem like bitter projection

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992125)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:34 AM
Author: metal den

any day now europe will start to take their own side

i'm on the edge of my seat here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992103)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:35 AM
Author: Poppy Stain

major W for russia and china when they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992108)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 11:58 AM
Author: metal den

europe decoupling from the united states is necessary for their survival

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992165)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:04 PM
Author: Poppy Stain

i don't actually agree with that but it is good that europeans are becoming more keen on the importance of cultural independence

the EU leads the world in laws regarding matters of "cultural heritage" and the US could follow suit on this paradigm to help define and shore up american regional cultures before they all coalesce into babylonian soup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992176)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:09 PM
Author: metal den

let me get this straight: you decry the US as a hopeless, corrupt, oppressive, irredeemable tool of ZOG evil, but it would be bad for europe to decouple from it?

how does that work exactly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992183)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:33 PM
Author: Poppy Stain

if the US was wholly irredeemable we'd all be eschewing all social contact and waiting for the seraphim to come

the majority of actual people in the US are good and decent people and this remains a constant. it's just these benchod bitch bastard fuck Masters and beneath that systematic failures and the typical pitfalls and foibles of man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992230)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:43 PM
Author: metal den

oh ok so you're just bullshitting about your US blackpilling

yeah i thought so. i'm not blackpilled on the US either. our situation here is getting better, not worse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992258)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:49 PM
Author: Poppy Stain

bearish on the US cultural and political outlook but bullish on actual americans and that's been the case this entire time. i am pretty blackpilled atm though

mad at jews for not letting me do the whole "unstick the dialectic" thing that i spent so much time on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992294)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:02 PM
Author: black cerebral place of business headpube

OH NO!!!!! WHAT WOULD WE DO WITHOUT EUROPE???

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992172)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:52 PM
Author: Frum chapel water buffalo

The only things we need are ASML and Airbus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992296)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 12:56 PM
Author: khaki house

They were doing their best to get any spoils from us/China fall out right up until China started dumping shit in the eu. Then wow all of a sudden their tarrifs started kicking in (they don't outright call them tarrifs).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992310)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 1:25 PM
Author: scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park

Chinese EVs are still gaining market share in spite of tariffs

Europe’s economic suicide continues unabated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992397)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 1:36 PM
Author: Poppy Stain

they're a better product than what EU or US EV auto manufacturers are offering according to the reviews i've seen

i hear news every now and then about this or that european political party calling for an end to the automobile and wonder if it'll ever actually happen. you or i might scoff at it but it feels like the scoffs that people might've had on hearing news of the first airplanes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992414)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park

that is irrelevant

they’re only affordable because the Chinese govt is subsidizing industry in order to create artificial demand for their exports. this is economic warfare

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992555)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 2:40 PM
Author: Poppy Stain

i agree but also would note that whatever it is it's producing a higher quality product than what the US is putting out

the economic warfare element of it is why Musk is getting subsidies for the supercharger project. the major shift with EVs is moving away from petroleum (and more entanglements in the middle east, and all that that entails)

it's a sort of manhattan project in that respect

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992563)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: scarlet histrionic corn cake trailer park

Elon is early by 20+ years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992603)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Onyx Splenetic Toilet Seat

it's like cutting urself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992398)



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Date: June 6th, 2025 1:54 PM
Author: beady-eyed principal's office crotch

Everyone with brains or balls left Europe long ago or died in the wars. It is a godless fag lib continent now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734186&forum_id=2).#48992444)



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Date: June 7th, 2025 8:38 AM
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