all the focus on 'students' themselves seems dishonest when they were mostly just conduits to funnel cash from the feds to university admins. rule #1 of any sort of financial investigation is to find out where the money actually went. in this case, it's the universities.

the refusal of trump and the GOP to attack shitlib universities on this basis is a huge political and rhetorical failure.

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the government's focus should be life liberty and the pursuit of happiness

ensuring that poors can pursue happiness is why a policy that permits guaranteed loans to poors makes sense

and making those loans non-dischargeable to all also makes sense

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makes no sense we allow people to discharge credit card debt they racked up living beyond their means but not some 18 year old who got an english degree. that person was at least *trying* to be responsible.

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"grrr, those leftist universities! wait, what - NOOOOO, don't take money from the universities!!!"

it's completely incoherent.

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the fastest way to resolve that funding gap is to facilitate the recovery of that cash from the party which DOES have the money, which is the university. this is not even debatable if the goal is rapid recovery of funds. it's the only realistic path.

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these people never have solutions, they just say "bootstraps!" it's like if a kid had a gash and someone just kept saying "well they should be more careful!" in response to "we need to treat the wound." now the wound is getting infected and they still keep saying "should have been more careful!"

ok, fine. these retards shouldn't have taken out loans that they have no ability to repay. but they did, so what now? and don't we (as in the us) bare some blame for giving them the fucking loans? when a kid owes the government $10k the kid has a problem. when a kid owes the government $300k the government has a problem.

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we collectively loaned the people getting gender studies degrees the money. and it's not coming back. sorry, it's just another bloomer boondoggle we're going to inherit it. but we *will* inherit it.

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if you can't see the eventually consequences of "let them starve" for *YOU* idk what to say. you've got a starving dog in your house and one day he's gonna eat you.

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it really is every day is opposite day with you people

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btw i agree with this myself. the ends justify the means. fuck libs, i want these people hurt as much as possible

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the actual solution is to close down all universities in the US, because they cannot be salvaged in any way, but this would never happen in our current political system because there's so much $ and jobs tied up in the "higher ed" machine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714773&forum_id=2).#48871946)

most of us want to do what's best for society so we can live in a nice society. you're just living a power fantasy behind a fucking screen because you're impotent and mad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714773&forum_id=2).#48871969)

everyone thinks like this, i just have the balls(?) to be honest about it on an anonymous internet message board

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men that live online to engage in a power fantasy over "pwning the libs" are mocked irl. look a pics of groypers irl and it's a bunch of fat dysgenic losers who are clearly just maf at their own lot in life.

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you're imagining some other imaginary hypothetical scenario in your mind where we live in a homogeneous coherent society and a bunch of innocent, intrinsically good young adults who would otherwise be productive, healthy members of society got tricked into crippling debt. that's not the world we live in. the world we live in is that these people are almost all evil worthless parasites who are completely hostile to our society and will never, ever be anything other than a fifth column trying to kill us before we kill them

stop and think about it for a minute. btw every single one of these people would kill you or saddle you with crippling debt if they could. but yeah keep simping for them in the abstract i guess

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if your political ideas just boil down to "fuck the people i don't like" then we just have different goals. i'd like to improve society, not try kill half the country because of tranny bathrooms or whatever reason you've got murderous rage for them.

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read mr. schmitt my friend

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idk what you're referencing.

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well worth your time to read this section imo

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The government should collect the fucking money from whomever they can. If the Loser liberal artists are judgment-proof, go after the universities. There is a Ruinous federal deficit and Losers must suffer.

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It applies everywhere, but dental school is the clearest example of this.

Does anyone think it really costs $600,000 to train a dentist? Of course not. The schools have a monopoly on it and they've realized they can extract $600,000 of these smart kids' future earnings.

You need to do something like create some sort of national testing standards, and have that weighted higher than colleges on resumes. So basically yeah your resume can say you went to Harvard, but its below your scores on the SAT 2.0 which tells your employerer how well you scored in your alleged major or whatever.

For law school, your bar exam score would have to be much more prominent than your law school.

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And while I think it should be easier to discharge student loans in bankruptcy, there still needs to be some limit or every single doctor in the country is going to declare bankruptcy as soon as they graduate from medical school. Indeed, that was already happening, which is why they made students loans non-dischargeable in the first place. I'm okay with discharging student loans if you can't pay them, but not if you simply don't want to pay them.

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fair is fair

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Only drawback is that debtors are lazy, retarded, and incompetent

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However, as much as it would be vindicating to see university have their endowments clawed back, the clawbacks would be the final nail in the coffin of education for the purpose of being informed. By arguing that universities owe that money back to the government because the debtor failed to make a sufficient return on the investment implies that job training and remuneration are the sole purposes of our higher education system.

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That is fine and even desirable. The entire notion needs to fucking die. You cannot hold on to archaic notions that "education is for personal growth" and combine that with public funding and a push for everyone to go to college. That notion was from when the only people that went to college were the children of the elites and them having enough money and employment opportunity was a foregone conclusion. No public money was ever involved. Once that changed the idea of "why are people going to college" with the inevitable reply of "to become prepared to have better jobs" should be the sole response for why college exists and is publicly funded.

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tl;dr - bullshit majors should be ruthlessly culled. Bullshit like women's studies shouldn't exist at all. Psychology should be limited to a tiny number of schools for a small number of positions that solely exists to train the necessary number of practicitioners. Art history, classics, so on should be tiny niche areas. And so on.

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