Mesoamericans also did performed much more impressive feats of domestication and breeding than the Europeans did. Corn was way more productive than anything the Europeans had (and most of their domesticated crops and livestock came from outside of Europe anyway)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573179)

azn's still haven't really discovered writing, they are just using a bunch of hieroglyphs

Date: February 26th, 2025 9:28 PM

Author: hank_scorpio

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5536032&forum_id=2#48697467

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#50062115)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573193)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573387)

Stop embarrassing yourself. It's obvious you know nothing about history.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573915)

"Nonetheless, Olmec society is thought to lack many of the institutions of later civilizations, such as a standing army or priestly caste.[81] And there is no evidence that San Lorenzo or La Venta controlled, even during their heyday, all of the Olmec heartland.[82] There is some doubt, for example, that La Venta controlled even Arroyo Sonso, only some 35 kilometres (22 mi) away.[83] Studies of the Tuxtla Mountain settlements, some 60 kilometres (37 mi) away, indicate that this area was composed of more or less egalitarian communities outside the control of lowland centers.[84]"

You realize that small egalitarian communities with no standing army or organized religion typically aren't counted as civilizations by anthropologists, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573927)

b) You're embarrassing yourself again. The traditional hallmark of civilization according to anthropologists is writing, and the secondary hallmark is cities. Have you ever taken an anthro class?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573948)

Also, that part of your link is talking about a settlement outside the city's control, you brain-damged retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573970)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573969)

Wrong. Mesoamericans have been literate for 2900 years. Northern Europeans? At most 1900 years, and stolen from Southern Europeans who stole it from Middle Easterners.

www.nytimes.com/2013/02/06/world/middleeast/obama-to-visit-israel-in-spring.html?hp

Mesoamerican writing is definitely real writing, as real as Chinese writing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573893)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Palenque_glyphs-edit1.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573918)

also, if you want to count that kind of shit as writing, there are tons of undeciphered european scripts from before the arrival of phoenician script in europe, such as this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitovo_inscription

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573954)

http://www.ancientscripts.com/images/maya_syllabary_1.gif

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573964)

you are arguing with assless chaps.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22574028)

the greeks didn't invent 0 but they did invent calculus (calculation via infinitesimals) and steam engines and the antikythera mechanism and stuff, so i think they're still ahead

once greek and roman culture had diffused to northen europe, it catalyzed a round of ethnogenesis in northern europe that resulted in part in the modern european ethnicities -- french, british, dutch, etc., all of which came into being within the last ~1200 years (you could argue the french were earlier, but it took a while for the franks, gallo-romans, etc to become "french" in any meaningful sense)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573412)

northern europe has always had a fairly advanced level of material culture, like with metallurgy and writing and stuff, but was such shitty, unproductive land that state formation still wasn't complete in some parts of it 1,000 years back. as for the med basin, the western med was hick territory for a long time, but there was always a degree of civilization there, too

the achievements of the maya are pretty impressive considering how isolated the americas were, beyond that you can't compare them to the layers and layers of old world civilizations going back to the dawn of history

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573464)

Idiot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573910)

no one is arguing that the first cities arose in europe. on the other hand, it's also not true that europeans were degenerate barbarians until 1400 ad, as a lot of people kind of unreflectively believe today

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573980)

by that standard, northern europeans were barbaric well into the Christian era. but it seems funny to me to put, e.g., saga-era icelanders with their boatbuilding, metalworking, chronicle literature etc. on the same footing as historyless hunter-gatherers who follow the herds hucking rocks at them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22574029)

the maya are also interesting b/c their culture was so alien and frankly bugfuck crazy-seeming. brb the king's main job is to draw sacred blood from his foreskin, wtf. i guess they'd probably see us the same way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22574065)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573444)

Mayan writing was pretty fucking primitive, it was basically pictograms meaning it was where writing in the rest of the world was around 2500 BC.

And if Mesoamerican civilization was so great and highly developed, how come they hadn't even invented the wheel yet by the time Europeans arrived in 1500?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573866)

—Bernal Díaz del Castillo, The Conquest of New Spain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22573994)

diaz makes for weird reading in general, i wasn't expecting him to talk up montezuma so much

also, cortez was a straight gangster. i love the part where they're retreating from the noche triste, like a few days after iirc, and they run into another spanish army sent from cuba and just fucking roll them over even though they're outnumbered like 6 to 1 and just got their own asses badly beat a few days before

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22574009)

(alternate universe where the archaic proto-finnic type fused with aryans, paleo-iberians, who the fuck knows what else and neolithic farmers from the levant and backwashed into pre-dynastic egypt)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22574119)

*whites go extinct*

*azns still blaming whites for their inability to get laid*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22577912)

(gives you a warm blanket)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22577832)

Sorry your retarded cumskin brother got pwned by facts over and over again. He makes your whole race look retarded.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22577836)

As somebody mentioned above, when we think of a 'civilization' we usually think of cities, but you can have cities without much in the way of a materially advanced culture, and a fairly advanced material culture without cities.

Europeans do appear to have been somewhat behind many other parts of the world in terms of urbanization and literacy, though they were also pretty far ahead in terms of metal production and certain other manufacturing techniques like shipbuilding; the first copper furnaces, for example, were found at a site in Serbia, and the oldest smelted gold alloys were found in bulgaria.

I think the past 500 years of western supremacy have been somewhat of an anomaly in the sense that you don't usually find one civilization that's just miles ahead of the others across every organizational, material and 'intellectual' axis, it's usually more like different regions have different advantages and disadvantages, derived largely from the landscape they find themselves siutated on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2176255&forum_id=2).#22579184)