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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
ultramarine thriller hospital
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
Ocher Knife
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
Soul-stirring wine locale quadroon
  06/15/18
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flickering field
  06/15/18
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flickering field
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
Lascivious gay brunch
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
primrose boiling water
  10/06/21
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ultramarine thriller hospital
  02/12/22
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Martin Skhreli
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
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  06/15/18
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flickering field
  06/15/18
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fiercely-loyal windowlicker ticket booth
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
Cruel-hearted curious weed whacker institution
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
Exhilarant clown deer antler
  06/15/18
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mildly autistic sooty toilet seat
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
flickering field
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
Naked dark area
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
Spectacular death wish parlour
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
mind-boggling idea he suggested corner
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
Lascivious gay brunch
  06/15/18
sounds 180
Cruel-hearted curious weed whacker institution
  06/15/18
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mildly autistic sooty toilet seat
  06/15/18
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fiercely-loyal windowlicker ticket booth
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
Sticky National Security Agency
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flickering field
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Soul-stirring wine locale quadroon
  06/15/18
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fiercely-loyal windowlicker ticket booth
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fiercely-loyal windowlicker ticket booth
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mind-boggling idea he suggested corner
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Vermilion travel guidebook
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fiercely-loyal windowlicker ticket booth
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Vermilion travel guidebook
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
ultramarine thriller hospital
  10/06/21
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ultramarine thriller hospital
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
godawful impressive business firm
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
ultramarine thriller hospital
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
Pungent Nighttime Lettuce
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
ultramarine thriller hospital
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
Pungent Nighttime Lettuce
  06/15/18
Explain
ultramarine thriller hospital
  06/15/18
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ultramarine thriller hospital
  06/16/18
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ultramarine thriller hospital
  09/04/18
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Vermilion travel guidebook
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
Pea-brained beady-eyed rigpig
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
Saffron Stage Selfie
  06/15/18
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ultramarine thriller hospital
  02/12/21
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irate chest-beating mother theatre
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fiercely-loyal windowlicker ticket booth
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ultramarine thriller hospital
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Low-t onyx therapy turdskin
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
garnet mischievous casino
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
ultramarine thriller hospital
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
big-titted honey-headed temple hunting ground
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
ultramarine thriller hospital
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
big-titted honey-headed temple hunting ground
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
ultramarine thriller hospital
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
at-the-ready lime property old irish cottage
  02/12/21
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irate chest-beating mother theatre
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Low-t onyx therapy turdskin
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
at-the-ready lime property old irish cottage
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
motley bossy ceo crotch
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
at-the-ready lime property old irish cottage
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
motley bossy ceo crotch
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
garnet mischievous casino
  02/12/21
lol no
Fighting round eye
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
indigo spot legend
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ultramarine thriller hospital
  06/29/21
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ultramarine thriller hospital
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Scarlet Chapel
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
Razzle-dazzle Drunken Skinny Woman Coldplay Fan
  10/06/21
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ultramarine thriller hospital
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Ocher Knife

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: Soul-stirring wine locale quadroon

As I understand it.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: flickering field



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: flickering field



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Lascivious gay brunch

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: primrose boiling water

oh we got a legal expert here

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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Martin Skhreli ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted curious weed whacker institution

they have no debt as I understand it

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: flickering field



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal windowlicker ticket booth



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted curious weed whacker institution

260k is a huge salary

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Exhilarant clown deer antler

goes a long way in shaker heights

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: mildly autistic sooty toilet seat



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: flickering field

Cr. Thats city janitor money

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Naked dark area

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Spectacular death wish parlour

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: mind-boggling idea he suggested corner

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Lascivious gay brunch

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted curious weed whacker institution

sounds 180

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: mildly autistic sooty toilet seat



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal windowlicker ticket booth



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: Sticky National Security Agency

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: flickering field



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Soul-stirring wine locale quadroon



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal windowlicker ticket booth



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal windowlicker ticket booth

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: mind-boggling idea he suggested corner



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Vermilion travel guidebook



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal windowlicker ticket booth



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: Vermilion travel guidebook



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: godawful impressive business firm

omg 260k where do they get off

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: Pungent Nighttime Lettuce

p depressing news going into the weekend

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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital

Eat my dick nigger lover

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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Pungent Nighttime Lettuce

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital

Explain

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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Vermilion travel guidebook



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: Pea-brained beady-eyed rigpig

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Saffron Stage Selfie

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: irate chest-beating mother theatre



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal windowlicker ticket booth



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Low-t onyx therapy turdskin

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: garnet mischievous casino

holy shit

out the firm

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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: big-titted honey-headed temple hunting ground

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: big-titted honey-headed temple hunting ground

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: at-the-ready lime property old irish cottage

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: irate chest-beating mother theatre



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Low-t onyx therapy turdskin

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: at-the-ready lime property old irish cottage

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: motley bossy ceo crotch

Better partnership odds

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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: at-the-ready lime property old irish cottage

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: motley bossy ceo crotch

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: garnet mischievous casino

(Stevie Brogan)

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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: Fighting round eye

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: indigo spot legend

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Scarlet Chapel



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Drunken Skinny Woman Coldplay Fan

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: ultramarine thriller hospital



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