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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:48 AM Author: swollen indecent striped hyena As A and B were driving in the X area, they passed a car driven by C and containing D as a passenger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376133) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 11:57 AM Author: Silver Buck-toothed Den "C was seen driving in the X area, with D as a passenger, by both A and B."
(no one gives a fuck whether A and B were driving or doing a standing 69 at the time they saw these faggots) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 12:01 PM Author: plum bull headed field they do if its an auto case. Contrib or comparative play a role potentially. Better to keep it clean.
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Date: April 30th, 2021 2:10 PM Author: Chestnut Unholy Dysfunction Dilemma Your sentence doesn't even say that A and B saw C and D, just that they passed them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42377665) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2021 12:40 PM Author: irradiated bawdyhouse queen of the night As A and B were driving in the X area, they passed a car driven by C which contained D as a passenger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42386999) |
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Date: February 25th, 2022 1:42 PM Author: Spectacular scarlet ceo box office Subject: Quick fixxx As A and B were driving in X, they passed a car driven by C containing D as a passenger.
EDIT: LMAO at the date |
Date: April 30th, 2021 9:52 AM Author: sapphire domesticated hospital azn “As A and B were driving in the X area, they passed a car driven by C. D was a passenger in C’s car at the time.”
Would break up the sentences. Your original sentence isn’t terrible though. |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:53 AM Author: haunting translucent gaping hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376148) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:55 AM Author: swollen indecent striped hyena i thought about breaking it up -- it worse because it puts emphasis on "D was a passenger in C’s car at this time" -- which is a minor detail.
it doesn't really matter whether C or D is the driver. |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:56 AM Author: sapphire domesticated hospital azn Ah m, okay. For some reason I assumed that D was the main person. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376166) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:03 AM Author: swollen indecent striped hyena C and D are both involved. I continue to use the term "C's car" for clarity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376201) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 11:51 AM Author: Silver Buck-toothed Den "at this time"
ROFL |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:54 AM Author: plum bull headed field Need to clarify at some point whether A or B were actually driving. Or were they in two separate cars, both of which passed C. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376155) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:55 AM Author: sapphire domesticated hospital azn Yeah I just worked with the isolated sentence in question b/c I didn’t know what the surrounding sentences are like. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376160) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:04 AM Author: plum bull headed field You can do it in another sentence, but it's going to be important to be clear who was driving in the passing car. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376205) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:55 AM Author: Brilliant Concupiscible Institution While driving in the X area, A & B passed a car that C was driving with a passenger, D. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376157) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:57 AM Author: Hyperactive pit brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376168) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:58 AM Author: flushed spot As A and B were driving separately in the X area, they passed a car driven by C which contained D as a passenger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376174) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:59 AM Author: Chrome splenetic forum This suggestion isn't meant to be used word for word, just generally to give you the right idea on how to handle this sort of thing, please develop as part of an exercise in your own development as a lawyer. Really need to break this into clauses that explain everything.
As A and B were driving in the X area, they passed a car driven by C and containing D as a passenger.
WHEREAS A, B, C, and D are human persons domiciled in Jurisdiction Y
WHEREAS X is a certain area in Jurisdiction Y
WHEREAS A, B, and C are legally authorized to operate motor vehicles ("cars" and each individual such vehicle a "car")
WHEREAS on that certain date, A, B, and C were operating cars.
WHEREAS on that certain date, D was a passenger in the car operated by C.
Now, therefore be it resolved, on that certain date, the aforementioned cars traversed on intersecting paths in Area X.
[I assume by "passed" you mean "passed" as in "they passed by each other while headed in different directions," revise if you mean they were going the same way and A/B's cars passed/overtook C's car.]
Please handle and recirculate, thanks. |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:03 AM Author: swollen indecent striped hyena (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376203) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:45 AM Author: Transparent twinkling uncleanness kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376392) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 11:25 AM Author: Fragrant Senate Electric Furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376657) |
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Date: May 4th, 2022 12:40 PM Author: Curious coral sandwich ladyboy Very clear, no ambiguity, reads like 1st order logic, I like it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#44453959) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:59 AM Author: coiffed factory reset button black woman As A and B entered the X area, they looked at each other, and although none of them said a word, they understood each other perfectly. It was X area after all. Are there any Xs around, they wondered? They passed a beaten-up vehicle with ridiculous oversized chromed wheels with C as a driver and D as a passenger. X's! - thought A and B. C and D did not think anything. They were high. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376178) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:36 AM Author: jade roast beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376332) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:59 AM Author: bearded degenerate university FRIENDLESS FAGGOT BIRDSHIT A was driving some FAGgOt BIRdshit car alone(some other NIFmGGA was drivomg alone in another car) they passed ALPHA TURD C , who has MANY DRINKING BUDDIES, SO NATURALLY HAD A PASSENGER (most likely an AZNgirl getting wet for MAMMOTH TURDCOCK) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376183) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:00 AM Author: self-centered coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376187) |
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Date: May 1st, 2021 12:19 AM Author: self-centered coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42380818) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:59 AM Author: self-centered coffee pot As A and B were sucking each other’s cocks in the XXX area, C drove by with D cumming in his ass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376184) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:00 AM Author: haunting translucent gaping hominid i think you nailed it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376191) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 3:36 PM Author: Titillating Milky Genital Piercing Toilet Seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42378174) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:01 AM Author: slap-happy stage preventive strike A and B passed D and C, who was driving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376194) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 11:52 AM Author: Silver Buck-toothed Den sounds like a riddle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376816) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:01 AM Author: razzle church building i hate this crap
As A and B were driving in the X area, they passed by D driving with C. |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:05 AM Author: swollen indecent striped hyena i wish this works and it sounds nice but it seems slightly off (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376206) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:06 AM Author: razzle church building As A and B were driving in the X area, they passed by D (who was driving with C).
This is it |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:07 AM Author: swollen indecent striped hyena doesn't it need "D's car" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376216) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:42 AM Author: razzle church building it says he was driving, which means an automobile.
if you think specifying what kind of automobile is a key detail then can add that |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:05 AM Author: plum bull headed field Why do you need B, assuming A was driving. Don't say B was driving. Ever. If he wasnt.
As A was driving, they passed ... |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:06 AM Author: Nofapping half-breed you have to make it more exciting. keep the reader interested.
"Where did this take place? In X. And what happened in X? A and B were together in a car. And what did that car do? Why it passed by another car, a car driven by C. And was C alone in that second car? No, no C was not. C was with D. That's right. A and B passed C and D. It's all true." |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:08 AM Author: electric crackhouse newt Were A and B both at the wheel? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376217) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:13 AM Author: haunting translucent gaping hominid turns out it was a tandem bicycle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376233) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:18 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle lay hissy fit As some faggot and his friend were driving in the restricted area, they passed a car driven by a nigger and containing some other faggot as a passenger. Regards, I hope this helps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376246) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:26 AM Author: Bistre lascivious international law enforcement agency The two cars passed in X. In one, A was driving B. In the other, C was driving D. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376290) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:29 AM Author: slap-happy stage preventive strike star crossed lovers. reads like brokeback mountain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376306) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:31 AM Author: Bistre lascivious international law enforcement agency still the best way to do it. He has more than a handful of items to hit: location, two cars, who was each driver and who was each passenger, that they passed.
This does it and leaves no uncertainty at all |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:44 AM Author: Dull school generalized bond So, we need to talk about A driving around with B. Here's the thing: they were in X area, and what's problematic is they passed by C—yes, THAT C. C had a passenger at the time, D. Here's why that's not okay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2).#42376389) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 11:24 AM Author: White tripping travel guidebook home Haven’t read any of the replies, so someone else may have made the same suggestion, but I’d go with:
While driving in the X area, A & B passed a car containing C (driver) and D (passenger). |
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this doesn't define who is driving and who is riding though.
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