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George R.R. Martin addresses 'controversy' over 'Winds of Winter' delay

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I'm Johnny Knoxville, Welcome to Isreal
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is the first spinoff series good? i thought the dunk and eg...
sealclubber
  10/15/25
first season is meh and afterwards it gets insufferably bad....
kumbaya moderate sashaying into your thread
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Smoker
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So right before game of thrones ended there were like six po...
N904PD
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He wrote all the other books in the same amount of time that...
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Date: October 12th, 2025 11:43 AM
Author: Mainlining the $ecret Truth of the Univer$e (You = Privy to The Great Becumming™ = Welcum to The Goodie Room™)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/books/2025/10/11/george-rr-martin-winds-of-winter-nycc/86652035007/

NEW YORK − George R.R. Martin's struggle with deadlines is nothing new.

The best-selling author of the "A Song of Ice and Fire" book series, which was adapted into HBO's "Game of Thrones," participated in a wide-ranging discussion about his career at New York Comic Con on Oct. 11. During the panel, Martin, 77, repeatedly referenced his difficulty meeting deadlines and acknowledged that fans have been waiting for "The Winds of Winter," the planned next book in his series, for nearly 15 years.

"I know there's all this controversy about 'Winds of Winter' and how late it is, but I've always had trouble with deadlines," he said. "I don't feel happy breaching contracts or missing a deadline or anything like that."

Fellow author Joe Hill interviewed Martin for more than an hour and opened their conversation by alluding to the elephant in the room: the fact that fans were surely waiting with bated breath for a "Winds of Winter" update.

"It's best to begin with the question I'm sure most of the people in this room want answered," Hill said. "I know everyone is hoping you can tell us: Can the Giants keep winning?"

As he discussed his well-known fandom for the New York Giants, Martin joked, "People are speculating, am I going to die soon before (I finish the books)? I'm not going to die until I see the Jets and the Giants in the Subway Super Bowl. I think that means I live forever!"

Martin last released a mainline entry in his "A Song of Ice and Fire" series in 2011 with "A Dance With Dragons." His intention was to complete two more books, starting with "The Winds of Winter," in time to release them before HBO caught up in the "Game of Thrones" television adaptation. But Martin was unable to do so, requiring the show to jump ahead and cover events that have not yet happened in his novels.

In the years since TV's "Game of Thrones" concluded in 2019, Martin has frequently said he is still working on "The Winds of Winter," but has provided no firm prediction on when the book may come out. In 2016, he said he had attempted to get the book finished the previous year but missed his deadlines. "I am months away still … and that's if the writing goes well," he wrote in a January 2016 blog post.

The best-selling author of the "A Song of Ice and Fire" book series, which was adapted into HBO's "Game of Thrones," participated in a wide-ranging discussion about his career at New York Comic Con on Oct. 11. During the panel, Martin, 77, repeatedly referenced his difficulty meeting deadlines and acknowledged that fans have been waiting for "The Winds of Winter," the planned next book in his series, for nearly 15 years.

"I know there's all this controversy about 'Winds of Winter' and how late it is, but I've always had trouble with deadlines," he said. "I don't feel happy breaching contracts or missing a deadline or anything like that."

Fellow author Joe Hill interviewed Martin for more than an hour and opened their conversation by alluding to the elephant in the room: the fact that fans were surely waiting with bated breath for a "Winds of Winter" update.

"It's best to begin with the question I'm sure most of the people in this room want answered," Hill said. "I know everyone is hoping you can tell us: Can the Giants keep winning?"

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George R.R. Martin speaks during New York Comic Con on Oct. 11, 2025, in New York City.

As he discussed his well-known fandom for the New York Giants, Martin joked, "People are speculating, am I going to die soon before (I finish the books)? I'm not going to die until I see the Jets and the Giants in the Subway Super Bowl. I think that means I live forever!"

Martin last released a mainline entry in his "A Song of Ice and Fire" series in 2011 with "A Dance With Dragons." His intention was to complete two more books, starting with "The Winds of Winter," in time to release them before HBO caught up in the "Game of Thrones" television adaptation. But Martin was unable to do so, requiring the show to jump ahead and cover events that have not yet happened in his novels.

In the years since TV's "Game of Thrones" concluded in 2019, Martin has frequently said he is still working on "The Winds of Winter," but has provided no firm prediction on when the book may come out. In 2016, he said he had attempted to get the book finished the previous year but missed his deadlines. "I am months away still … and that's if the writing goes well," he wrote in a January 2016 blog post.

Martin regularly receives backlash from fans when he announces anything on his website that is not a "Winds of Winter" release date, including when he has shared news about new adaptations of his writing. He made light of this backlash during the conversation, suggesting fans overestimate his level of involvement.

"People are buying all those old things that I wrote in the '90s and making movies and TV shows about them," he said. "Every time that happens and I announce it on my website, half the internet goes crazy. Why the (expletive) is George R.R. Martin writing this other thing when he should be writing "Winds of Winter"? What is he doing?' And I want to say, 'I did it in 1993, guys! Come on! It was lying in my drawer, and they wanted it, so I sold it to them!' "

Martin also discussed how difficulty meeting deadlines has been a recurring issue for him. While recalling working on "A Clash of Kings," his second "Song of Ice and Fire" book, he quipped, "Of course, I'm running late on it, as I had a wont to do."

He went on to tell a story about another time he was having trouble getting his writing done: When he was working on "The Hedge Knight," a novella eventually published in the "Legends" anthology in 1998, editor Robert Silverberg threatened to kick him off the project because he was running behind.

"I'm writing this story, and as I always do, I'm struggling with it, and I'm late, and Silverberg has a deadline at the end of the year," Martin recounted. "We're in September or something, and he sends me an email saying, 'I hear that you're way behind on your book. ... The publisher is very serious about wanting it in by the last day of the year. I cannot be late, because then they'll take some money away, so I'm going to have to drop you from the series.' "

Martin also discussed how difficulty meeting deadlines has been a recurring issue for him. While recalling working on "A Clash of Kings," his second "Song of Ice and Fire" book, he quipped, "Of course, I'm running late on it, as I had a wont to do."

He went on to tell a story about another time he was having trouble getting his writing done: When he was working on "The Hedge Knight," a novella eventually published in the "Legends" anthology in 1998, editor Robert Silverberg threatened to kick him off the project because he was running behind.

"I'm writing this story, and as I always do, I'm struggling with it, and I'm late, and Silverberg has a deadline at the end of the year," Martin recounted. "We're in September or something, and he sends me an email saying, 'I hear that you're way behind on your book. ... The publisher is very serious about wanting it in by the last day of the year. I cannot be late, because then they'll take some money away, so I'm going to have to drop you from the series.' "

Martin remembered this being "very traumatic" but said he fought back by pointing out he still had until the end of the year to get his story done. He ultimately did get it finished − on Dec. 31.

"I finished it barely in time," he said. "That week between Christmas and New Year's, I was going ... crazy."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49343585)



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Date: October 14th, 2025 11:49 PM
Author: Mainlining the $ecret Truth of the Univer$e (Welcum to The Goodie Room™)



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Date: October 14th, 2025 11:55 PM
Author: sealclubber

martin looks like a guy who should have died 15 years ago

anything he writes is bonus material



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49349849)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 12:02 AM
Author: Mainlining the $ecret Truth of the Univer$e (Welcum to The Goodie Room™)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 9:54 AM
Author: Trust If Aryan



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Date: October 15th, 2025 11:22 AM
Author: Rim Tiggins (🧐)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 11:27 AM
Author: The Midwit Pundit's Assassination (No Future)

It is truly amazing how fat people in the science fiction/fantasy community can become

Look up pictures of Gardner Dozois



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49350503)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 11:31 AM
Author: I'm Johnny Knoxville, Welcome to Isreal

Do you think George still fucks his wife

If not is he fucking anybody

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49350517)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 12:05 AM
Author: kumbaya moderate sashaying into your thread (gunneratttt)

i saw hbo just announced a dunk and egg series. so we now have a second spinoff series before the next book is finished.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49349856)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 12:15 AM
Author: sealclubber

is the first spinoff series good?

i thought the dunk and egg book was excellent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49349869)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 4:50 AM
Author: kumbaya moderate sashaying into your thread (gunneratttt)

first season is meh and afterwards it gets insufferably bad. it was made during the woke era do it's amazon lotr levels AW LAWD DEM DRAGON EGGGGZ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49350025)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 6:18 AM
Author: Smoker

No

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49350034)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 11:20 AM
Author: N904PD

So right before game of thrones ended there were like six potential spinoffs in pre production. Martin actually refused for dunk and egg to be one of them because he plan to write a bunch more stories lol.

Anyway the one that actually went into production was about AGE OF HEROES like 10,000 years before game of thrones. Pilot was apparently so bad HBO walked away from it (by that point they were probably pretty wary of not having source material for this stuff lol)

Anyway Martin apparently hates house of the dragon so I guess he gave up and let them do dunk and egg. At least theres source material beyond the “history books”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49350493)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 12:20 AM
Author: cannon

He wrote all the other books in the same amount of time that has passed since the most recent book was published. He is never finishing it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49349876)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 12:27 AM
Author: .,,,.,.,.,.,.,,,,..,,..,.,.,.,


He could have one of the 2025 LLMs fine tuned on his writing corpus and knock it out in a couple months. It makes no sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49349886)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 12:27 AM
Author: Mainlining the $ecret Truth of the Univer$e (Welcum to The Goodie Room™)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 6:11 AM
Author: Fucking Fuckface

I wrote him an email talking shit back in the early 2000s, when he read emails himself and responded. He was a late piece of shit even back then, and it was obvious over 20 years ago that he wouldn't finish the series before death

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49350031)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 6:17 AM
Author: Smoker

It’s actually hilarious he continues to troll everyone with the idea that the book will ever come out. There’s no way after 15 years and at his age that he doesn’t know it’s never happening

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49350033)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 9:58 AM
Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,.


If he uses an LLM he could have this finished in a matter of weeks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49350347)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 11:29 AM
Author: Rim Tiggins (🧐)

The year is 2011. Skyrim and Dance with Dragons are released and OWS/class warfare is still fresh in people’s minds.

2012 kicked off current modernity with Trayvon Martin and we’ve been stuck in that world since. In 40 years it will be our Gen’s “wtf happened in 1971”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49350508)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 11:34 AM
Author: I'm Johnny Knoxville, Welcome to Isreal

Counterpoint in 40 years people will still be obsessed with "The 80s" because the 21st century has been so devoid of cultural excellence. They will just keep remaking Stranger Things forever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49350532)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 11:41 AM
Author: Rim Tiggins (🧐)

No actually society will be completely unrecognizable and lurching towards either those of means being a bunch of crispr chad von neumann cyborgs ruling a peon underclass or just straight up wall E scootertopia. But it’s nice to pretend This Moment Matters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785659&forum_id=2,#49350553)



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Date: October 15th, 2025 12:01 PM
Author: I'm Johnny Knoxville, Welcome to Isreal

You voted for this

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