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any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
bright regret mad cow disease
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
Buck-toothed office
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
Pink national clown
  12/18/25
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Soul-stirring Theater Nowag
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
Stimulating shimmering boltzmann
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
Stimulating shimmering boltzmann
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
tantric coral business firm legal warrant
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
Cerebral alcoholic dragon
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
Stimulating shimmering boltzmann
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
very tactful telephone school cafeteria
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
blue trump supporter
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Henna Theatre
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
bright regret mad cow disease
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Henna Theatre
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
bright regret mad cow disease
  12/18/25
180
Henna Theatre
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
snowy shrine
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
vigorous associate
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
snowy shrine
  12/18/25
...
vigorous associate
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
very tactful telephone school cafeteria
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
cracking filthpig
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
bright regret mad cow disease
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
Rebellious dilemma
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
bright regret mad cow disease
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
beady-eyed jade temple
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
curious magical orchestra pit
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
Arrogant trailer park roommate
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
snowy shrine
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
vermilion address roast beef
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
Flushed Jet-lagged Resort
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
hideous heaven
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
Flushed Jet-lagged Resort
  12/18/25
lol
hideous heaven
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
amber set
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
vigorous associate
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
Flushed Jet-lagged Resort
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
Sticky slap-happy antidepressant drug cuckold
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
Cerebral alcoholic dragon
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
Sticky slap-happy antidepressant drug cuckold
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
Cerebral alcoholic dragon
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
Sticky slap-happy antidepressant drug cuckold
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
Cerebral alcoholic dragon
  12/21/25
cr
vigorous associate
  12/18/25
Anabasis
yellow nudist casino pistol
  12/18/25
...
hideous heaven
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
Cordovan motley kitchen
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
hideous heaven
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
Aromatic Boiling Water
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
green whorehouse factory reset button
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
Exciting Pungent Brethren Party Of The First Part
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
hideous heaven
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
bright regret mad cow disease
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
vigorous associate
  12/18/25
...
Flushed Jet-lagged Resort
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
cracking filthpig
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
Flushed Jet-lagged Resort
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
concupiscible hospital genital piercing
  12/18/25
...
cracking filthpig
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
amber set
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
Arousing maroon elastic band nursing home
  12/18/25
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chocolate self-centered plaza toilet seat
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Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
disturbing azure forum
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Stimulating shimmering boltzmann
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
yellow nudist casino pistol
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: bright regret mad cow disease

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Buck-toothed office

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: Pink national clown

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Theater Nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Stimulating shimmering boltzmann

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Stimulating shimmering boltzmann

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: tantric coral business firm legal warrant

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Cerebral alcoholic dragon

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Stimulating shimmering boltzmann

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: very tactful telephone school cafeteria

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: blue trump supporter

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Henna Theatre

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: bright regret mad cow disease

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Henna Theatre

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: bright regret mad cow disease

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Henna Theatre

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: snowy shrine

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: vigorous associate

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: snowy shrine

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: vigorous associate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: very tactful telephone school cafeteria

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: cracking filthpig

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: bright regret mad cow disease

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: Rebellious dilemma

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: bright regret mad cow disease

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: beady-eyed jade temple

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: curious magical orchestra pit

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Arrogant trailer park roommate

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: snowy shrine

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: vermilion address roast beef

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: Flushed Jet-lagged Resort

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: hideous heaven

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: Flushed Jet-lagged Resort

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: hideous heaven

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: amber set

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: vigorous associate

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: Flushed Jet-lagged Resort

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: Sticky slap-happy antidepressant drug cuckold

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: Cerebral alcoholic dragon

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: Sticky slap-happy antidepressant drug cuckold

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Cerebral alcoholic dragon

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: Sticky slap-happy antidepressant drug cuckold

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Cerebral alcoholic dragon

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: vigorous associate

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: yellow nudist casino pistol

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: hideous heaven



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: Cordovan motley kitchen

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: hideous heaven

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Aromatic Boiling Water

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: green whorehouse factory reset button

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Exciting Pungent Brethren Party Of The First Part

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: hideous heaven

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: bright regret mad cow disease

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: vigorous associate

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: Flushed Jet-lagged Resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: cracking filthpig

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: Flushed Jet-lagged Resort

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: concupiscible hospital genital piercing

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: cracking filthpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: amber set

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Arousing maroon elastic band nursing home

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: chocolate self-centered plaza toilet seat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: disturbing azure forum

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: Stimulating shimmering boltzmann

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: yellow nudist casino pistol

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521698)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:23 AM
Author: crimson striped hyena locus

abridged edgar allen poe short stories

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521706)



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Date: December 26th, 2025 12:37 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac lake corn cake den

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