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So we took out their President and no plan for his removal?
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Date: January 5th, 2026 9:37 AM Author: Burgundy Chapel Twinkling Uncleanness Correct me if I am fag and wrong, but it seems that we are saying to the same regime "now you do what we say or you will meet the same fate as your former leader."
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Date: January 5th, 2026 9:40 AM Author: Swashbuckling judgmental striped hyena legend you are correct that you are a fag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563531) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 9:45 AM Author: Burgundy Chapel Twinkling Uncleanness oh a pumo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563541) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 9:46 AM Author: Swashbuckling judgmental striped hyena legend oh an insane rsf stalker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563543) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 10:20 AM Author: Motley Area Why'd you go pumo, Colonel? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563609) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 10:27 AM Author: Swashbuckling judgmental striped hyena legend i never went pumo. poasting anonymously has been a thing since the PR days in some way shape or form. enjoy trying to score points for "mpm" or whatever gay shit you sudos get all worked up over (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563623) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 10:28 AM Author: Motley Area Whatever you say, Chet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563624) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 10:37 AM Author: Swashbuckling judgmental striped hyena legend u seem smart (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563636) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:53 AM Author: 180 location You seem like a pumo who cares deeply about schizo Jared Baumeister (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563819) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:51 AM Author: 180 location Date: January 5th, 2026 10:27 AM Author: ....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,.,::,.....,:,..,..
i never went pumo. |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:58 AM Author: Swashbuckling judgmental striped hyena legend went pumo implies that I once was not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563835) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:51 AM Author: 180 location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563811) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 10:04 AM Author: Insanely creepy candlestick maker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563577) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:13 AM Author: comical aquamarine mental disorder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563717) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:09 PM Author: Cracking pearly parlour foreskin "president" ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564094) |
Date: January 5th, 2026 9:38 AM Author: Out-of-control Violent Kitchen Circlehead This is what we (Israel) does to US pols. What’s the problem? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563528) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 9:39 AM Author: Burgundy Chapel Twinkling Uncleanness well it works if you own both parties, but if you own none of them, it seems like less than ideal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563530) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 9:49 AM Author: bronze fortuitous meteor don't worry about it it'll all work itself out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563547) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 9:56 AM Author: Burgundy Chapel Twinkling Uncleanness my fav foreign policy honestly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563554) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 9:58 AM Author: titillating geriatric lettuce I trust the Trump administration to have thought this through in advance. They obviously have a long term plan that is just beginning to play out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563559) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 10:12 AM Author: Burgundy Chapel Twinkling Uncleanness like the legally of their tariffs, they have tripled checked everything in advance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563598) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 10:00 AM Author: Insanely creepy candlestick maker lol, this was a coup where the Venezuelans used us as a cover
for now their VP takes over and begins the process of normalizing relations and the economy. or else it gets the hose again |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 10:11 AM Author: Burgundy Chapel Twinkling Uncleanness link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563594) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:52 AM Author: 180 location Take your meds Chet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563813) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 10:08 AM Author: Confused market round eye Next time they should inform mentally ill posters of the plan first (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563584) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 10:11 AM Author: Burgundy Chapel Twinkling Uncleanness or the country they are toppling? seems like "hey lets take out their leader and then see what happens next" is less than ideal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563596) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 10:19 AM Author: Swashbuckling judgmental striped hyena legend no it isnt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563607) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:15 AM Author: blue mexican point VENEZUELA THIS IS YOUR DAD WE’RE ABOUT TO OPEN FIRE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563722) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:22 AM Author: bronze fortuitous meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563737) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:29 PM Author: dashing primrose elastic band abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564158) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:31 PM Author: fragrant generalized bond corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564167) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:15 AM Author: blue mexican point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563720) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:54 AM Author: Stubborn Vibrant Stage Mad-dog Skullcap I got the plan via signal chat 2 weeks ago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563822) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 10:37 AM Author: learning disabled shivering crotch indirect expression just wait two weeks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563638) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:31 AM Author: Burgundy Chapel Twinkling Uncleanness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563754) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:31 AM Author: sick toaster Seems as though the vp was the plan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563757) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:52 AM Author: 180 location How's that working out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563816) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:50 AM Author: Arousing free-loading nowag according to reporting from state dept officials, they thought the opposition wouldn't be able to command the respect and support of the generals in the chaos of a coup. Their plan is to bully the VP (now pres) to open up the country to trade and hold elections in a year. Basically a reverse of what was done in Iraq (de-Baathification). This could just be post-hoc rationalization, but it is sound in theory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563808) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 12:02 PM Author: Burgundy Chapel Twinkling Uncleanness "bully the VP" "sound in theory" |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 12:31 PM Author: Arousing free-loading nowag It's not a bad idea. Basically a recognition that Iraq went to shit when they disbanded the gov't and military. If you can keep nudging the country in the right direction you should be able to get something better. Note that I think the strikes and raid were completely unnecessary. But if you're going to do it, this strategy is the best way to go about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563961) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:00 PM Author: Fuchsia rigpig she has a vagina and her military is also inept so it could work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564069) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 12:35 PM Author: Insanely creepy candlestick maker exactly my read of the situation
he’s already threatened her, and I’m guessing he made clear to the generals behind the scenes that he knows where they sleep (same thing he did with the Taliban) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 3:13 PM Author: laughsome cream orchestra pit lol you're in this very thread arguing it was an internal coup.
you just kneejerk align with every neocon policy and work backwards to justify it. i doubt you have any real thoughts nor do you care why this happened. you just like to see the us military in action regardless of the ends or methods. |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 3:22 PM Author: Insanely creepy candlestick maker how does what I said contradict it having been a coup to get rid of Maduro?
as for the rest of your stupid shitpost lol @ you. I’ve been anti neocon since 2003 and anti faggots like you since I was born |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:53 AM Author: Twisted Wrinkle Forum oh there is a plan, trust me my friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563817) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 11:54 AM Author: exhilarant toilet seat temple Seems like we had a plan for his removal since we removed the fuck out of him. If you mean a plan after removing him we got this, you're too stupid to worry about shit like this, go get fucked by a ladyboy you nigger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563821) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 12:02 PM Author: Burgundy Chapel Twinkling Uncleanness (circular logic masterman) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563850) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 12:21 PM Author: comical aquamarine mental disorder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563916) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 12:28 PM Author: Insanely creepy candlestick maker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563949) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 12:31 PM Author: 180 location Take your meds, Jared (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49563966) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 5:57 PM Author: flirting magenta brunch jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564996) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 12:54 PM Author: Fuchsia rigpig She'll be fatally murdered to death and/or anally raped in the next few weeks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564040) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:04 PM Author: 180 location Any day now! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564079) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:06 PM Author: learning disabled shivering crotch indirect expression the generals will call his bluff. they know there's zero appetite here for an occupation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564087) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:10 PM Author: soggy stag film "now you do what we say or you will meet the same fate as your former leader."
That seems pretty easy to understand. |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:35 PM Author: Dun faggotry why did we invade venezuela? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564179) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:38 PM Author: useless affirmative action plaza Lebensraum and the oil (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564191) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:40 PM Author: Dun faggotry i thought we have more than enough oil through fracking. what advantage does invading venezuela confer on the us? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564199) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:42 PM Author: learning disabled shivering crotch indirect expression it takes it away from the chinese. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564208) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 3:25 PM Author: Insanely creepy candlestick maker this is definitely part of it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564578) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:43 PM Author: Fuchsia rigpig prevent the chinese from getting it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564213) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:48 PM Author: Arousing free-loading nowag VZ isn't even in the top 10 for chinese oil imports. Want to disrupt chinese oil imports? Fuck up the ghost ships from their number one exporter (hint: it starts with R and ends in "ussia"). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564223) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:52 PM Author: Swashbuckling judgmental striped hyena legend Russia is doing America a service by wrecking our enemies in Ukraine plus pissing off our enemies in the EU/NATO. they should at least get some credit for that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564243) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 2:46 PM Author: soggy stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564433) |
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Date: January 7th, 2026 12:51 PM Author: Fuchsia rigpig fuck yeah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49569204) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 3:35 PM Author: Insanely creepy candlestick maker but China had big plans for VZ, and now we can control the flow
it’s not everything, but it’s part of a global plan to be in a position to choke off China if the need arises (and it will) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:59 PM Author: 180 location Damn, can they buy Russian oil at least? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564283) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 3:36 PM Author: Insanely creepy candlestick maker not enough of it by land and the USN still controls the sea lanes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564615) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:46 PM Author: Arousing free-loading nowag Even the oil argument is weak. People point to chart of oil reserves with Venezuela holding trillions of barrels and assume it's prime to become the biggest producer. So much of it is expensive and hard to extract oil, like Canada's tar sands. When Trump invited the oil majors to jump into venezuela over the weekend they weren't enthusiastic at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564221) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:49 PM Author: learning disabled shivering crotch indirect expression they've been selling everything they've got to china and obviously china has an interest in supporting the communist regime and increasing that production. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564224) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:59 PM Author: Arousing free-loading nowag The US exports about 8x as much oil to China as VZ. So obviously "taking oil off the table for China" is not a real concern.
https://www.voronoiapp.com/energy/-Chinas-Crude-Oil-Import-Sources-in-2024-3853 |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 3:40 PM Author: sick toaster Largely agree.
Tberes a confluence of factors and motives at play:
1. The symbolism of this happening hours after an official chinese visit should not be ignored. It doesnt have to be anout oil. Clearly china was seeking to increase its influence and involvement there. This sends a stark message regarding Trumps tolerance for that.
2. There could be horsetrading here with russia vis a vis ukraine. E.g., we will take maduro if you dont stop pushing in sumy. I dont know the details, and its a bit far fetched, but this didnt happen in a vacuum relative to ukraine. Russia has some involvement in VZ if nothing else through arms sales and wagner training. Maybe its as simple as a flex on putin. "Heres how to regime change w/o 5 years of war".
3. Certainly a flex on Cuba and the other banana republics in latam, including mexico. This will hurt them financially. Particularly cuba which seemed to be working its tendrils deeply here. Could be a prelude amd trial run for further kinetic action in Cuba.
4. It works as a declaration to china and russia to stay the fuck out of Trump's sphere. More important as small footprint drone deployment becomes a feasible means of exerting influence abroad. Need malleable workable relationships with evryone nearby. Cuba is next.
Unlocking oil development is more a bonus to be realized over the next decade. |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:50 PM Author: Swashbuckling judgmental striped hyena legend you talk out of your asshole way too much (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564228) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 1:54 PM Author: useless affirmative action plaza oil is it $58bbl today, when it gets back to $90 they will invest (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564253) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 3:33 PM Author: Arousing free-loading nowag We're at or near peak demand as far as oil. China is already transitioning to EV's and solar. The vast majority of that hard to extract oil is going to stay in the ground. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564599) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 3:40 PM Author: Swashbuckling judgmental striped hyena legend you're talking out of your asshole again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564632) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 3:37 PM Author: Insanely creepy candlestick maker that will be too late cuz VZ infrastructure is turd world right now
but Trump seems ready to use carrot and stick to get the majors back into the country asap |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 3:28 PM Author: supple bespoke den blood rage 2 reasons:
1) Maduro was not a legitimate leader and we want to spread democracy 2) Maduro was committing narco terrorism and we just could no longer tolerate it |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 3:38 PM Author: Insanely creepy candlestick maker correct if by 1&2 you mean reasons 7&8 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49564625) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 6:40 PM Author: supple bespoke den blood rage I’ve not seen other reasons given. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49565078) |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 6:42 PM Author: Dull dopamine wrong, it was a hoodie commercial
7D chess
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/2008097171921576355 |
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Date: January 5th, 2026 8:18 PM Author: Vivacious regret center Shut up you lib. Biden pulled out of Afghanistan with a day’s notice, botched operation, people died, no plan, and no bad media coverage and libs stopped talking about it after one news cycle. Here, successful operation and libs are seething. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49565341) |
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Date: January 6th, 2026 10:39 AM Author: Burgundy Chapel Twinkling Uncleanness im a lib? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5817449&forum_id=2,#49566383) |