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any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
wine well-lubricated stage blood rage
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
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"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
Naked azn
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
Naked azn
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
Plum telephone clown
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
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  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
Naked azn
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
Lake address
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
yellow low-t friendly grandma nowag
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Charismatic Ape Orchestra Pit
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
wine well-lubricated stage blood rage
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Charismatic Ape Orchestra Pit
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
wine well-lubricated stage blood rage
  12/18/25
180
Charismatic Ape Orchestra Pit
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The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
Out-of-control pit gunner
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
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  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
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weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
Lake address
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CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
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  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
wine well-lubricated stage blood rage
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
Mind-boggling Impressive Love Of Her Life
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
wine well-lubricated stage blood rage
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
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seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
diverse pontificating halford
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
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  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
Out-of-control pit gunner
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
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Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
fragrant saffron jew
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
Irradiated light french chef
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
fragrant saffron jew
  12/18/25
lol
Irradiated light french chef
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he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
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  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
magical national security agency sound barrier
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
fragrant saffron jew
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
olive crackhouse
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
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Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
olive crackhouse
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Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
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  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
olive crackhouse
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
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magical national security agency sound barrier
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Anabasis
elite up-to-no-good corner place of business
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...
Irradiated light french chef
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
Razzle locale dopamine
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The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
Irradiated light french chef
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
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  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
cracking medicated gas station puppy
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
narrow-minded turdskin
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
Irradiated light french chef
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
wine well-lubricated stage blood rage
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
magical national security agency sound barrier
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fragrant saffron jew
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
useless metal state fat ankles
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
fragrant saffron jew
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
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A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Naked azn
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
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abridged edgar allen poe short stories
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: wine well-lubricated stage blood rage

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: 180 mad cow disease jap

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: Brindle cuck kitchen

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Godawful shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Naked azn

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Naked azn

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Plum telephone clown

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: odious voyeur casino

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Naked azn

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: Lake address

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: yellow low-t friendly grandma nowag

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Charismatic Ape Orchestra Pit

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: wine well-lubricated stage blood rage

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Charismatic Ape Orchestra Pit

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: wine well-lubricated stage blood rage

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Charismatic Ape Orchestra Pit

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: Out-of-control pit gunner

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: magical national security agency sound barrier

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: Out-of-control pit gunner

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: magical national security agency sound barrier



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: Lake address

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: useless metal state fat ankles

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: wine well-lubricated stage blood rage

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Impressive Love Of Her Life

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: wine well-lubricated stage blood rage

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Crimson thriller church building

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: diverse pontificating halford

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Sinister Stead Sandwich

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: Out-of-control pit gunner

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Nighttime Mint Death Wish

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: fragrant saffron jew

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: Irradiated light french chef

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: fragrant saffron jew

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: Irradiated light french chef

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: Sapphire unhinged spot useless brakes

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: magical national security agency sound barrier

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: fragrant saffron jew

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: olive crackhouse

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: odious voyeur casino

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: olive crackhouse

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: odious voyeur casino

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: olive crackhouse

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: odious voyeur casino

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: magical national security agency sound barrier

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: elite up-to-no-good corner place of business

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Irradiated light french chef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: Razzle locale dopamine

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Irradiated light french chef

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Big-titted bistre menage tank

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: cracking medicated gas station puppy

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: narrow-minded turdskin

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: Irradiated light french chef

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: wine well-lubricated stage blood rage

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: magical national security agency sound barrier

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: fragrant saffron jew



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: useless metal state fat ankles

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: fragrant saffron jew

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: Wonderful Cordovan Theater Philosopher-king

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: useless metal state fat ankles



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: Sapphire unhinged spot useless brakes

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: red swashbuckling set

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: Coiffed step-uncle's house jewess



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Gold sickened center mexican

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: Naked azn

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: elite up-to-no-good corner place of business

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

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