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any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
Orchid haunted graveyard
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
Trip church building boltzmann
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
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"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
Fragrant Candlestick Maker
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
Fragrant Candlestick Maker
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
Balding Senate Mad-dog Skullcap
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
Aromatic mewling nowag
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
Fragrant Candlestick Maker
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
Emerald skinny woman masturbator
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
spruce dog poop telephone
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
stimulating ticket booth
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
Orchid haunted graveyard
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
stimulating ticket booth
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
Orchid haunted graveyard
  12/18/25
180
stimulating ticket booth
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
Blathering fishy nibblets incel
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
Honey-headed State
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
Blathering fishy nibblets incel
  12/18/25
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Honey-headed State
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
Emerald skinny woman masturbator
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
Puce set
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
Orchid haunted graveyard
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
tan gay wizard locale
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
Orchid haunted graveyard
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
Anal passionate selfie degenerate
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
ivory nofapping dopamine
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
marvelous chapel cuck
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
Blathering fishy nibblets incel
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
Topaz Cheese-eating Shrine
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
narrow-minded ape
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
yapping racy stage persian
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
narrow-minded ape
  12/18/25
lol
yapping racy stage persian
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
khaki address really tough guy
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
Honey-headed State
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
narrow-minded ape
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
wonderful crawly associate theatre
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
Aromatic mewling nowag
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
wonderful crawly associate theatre
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
Aromatic mewling nowag
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
wonderful crawly associate theatre
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
Aromatic mewling nowag
  12/21/25
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Honey-headed State
  12/18/25
Anabasis
geriatric flirting national
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yapping racy stage persian
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
snowy 180 voyeur lay
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
yapping racy stage persian
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
cobalt cruel-hearted locus gunner
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
vivacious french chef
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
Bisexual kitty macaca
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
yapping racy stage persian
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
Orchid haunted graveyard
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
Honey-headed State
  12/18/25
...
narrow-minded ape
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
Puce set
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
narrow-minded ape
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
arousing hilarious temple psychic
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Puce set
  12/18/25
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khaki address really tough guy
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
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Talented Bistre Ceo Step-uncle's House
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
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  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Fragrant Candlestick Maker
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
geriatric flirting national
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: Orchid haunted graveyard

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Trip church building boltzmann

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: Cordovan out-of-control base fortuitous meteor

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: comical hideous parlour windowlicker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Fragrant Candlestick Maker

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Fragrant Candlestick Maker

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Balding Senate Mad-dog Skullcap

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Aromatic mewling nowag

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Fragrant Candlestick Maker

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: Emerald skinny woman masturbator

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: spruce dog poop telephone

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: stimulating ticket booth

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Orchid haunted graveyard

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: stimulating ticket booth

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Orchid haunted graveyard

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: stimulating ticket booth

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: Blathering fishy nibblets incel

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Honey-headed State

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: Blathering fishy nibblets incel

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: Honey-headed State



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: Emerald skinny woman masturbator

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: Puce set

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: Orchid haunted graveyard

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: tan gay wizard locale

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Orchid haunted graveyard

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Anal passionate selfie degenerate

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: ivory nofapping dopamine

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: marvelous chapel cuck

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: Blathering fishy nibblets incel

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Topaz Cheese-eating Shrine

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: narrow-minded ape

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: yapping racy stage persian

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: narrow-minded ape

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: yapping racy stage persian

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: khaki address really tough guy

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Honey-headed State

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: narrow-minded ape

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: wonderful crawly associate theatre

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: Aromatic mewling nowag

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: wonderful crawly associate theatre

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Aromatic mewling nowag

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: wonderful crawly associate theatre

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Aromatic mewling nowag

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: Honey-headed State

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: geriatric flirting national

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: yapping racy stage persian



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: snowy 180 voyeur lay

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: yapping racy stage persian

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: cobalt cruel-hearted locus gunner

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: vivacious french chef

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Bisexual kitty macaca

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: yapping racy stage persian

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: Orchid haunted graveyard

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: Honey-headed State

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: narrow-minded ape



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: Puce set

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: narrow-minded ape

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: arousing hilarious temple psychic

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: Puce set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: khaki address really tough guy

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Chrome histrionic point

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: Talented Bistre Ceo Step-uncle's House



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: adventurous bonkers headpube personal credit line

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: Fragrant Candlestick Maker

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: geriatric flirting national

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521698)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:23 AM
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