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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
Indigo frum hall
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
Twinkling sickened university
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
Self-absorbed Parlour
  06/15/18
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Angry Hairraiser Internal Respiration Site
  06/15/18
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Angry Hairraiser Internal Respiration Site
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
Rough-skinned lascivious heaven jew
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
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  10/06/21
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Indigo frum hall
  02/12/22
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Coprophilia Johnny
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
Brindle swashbuckling place of business plaza
  06/15/18
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Angry Hairraiser Internal Respiration Site
  06/15/18
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Onyx aphrodisiac house
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
Brindle swashbuckling place of business plaza
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
pungent nubile elastic band becky
  06/15/18
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Filthy slap-happy rigpig
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
Angry Hairraiser Internal Respiration Site
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
Twisted Public Bath Masturbator
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
pearly nursing home affirmative action
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
Tan spot legend
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
Rough-skinned lascivious heaven jew
  06/15/18
sounds 180
Brindle swashbuckling place of business plaza
  06/15/18
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Filthy slap-happy rigpig
  06/15/18
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Onyx aphrodisiac house
  06/15/18
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Angry Hairraiser Internal Respiration Site
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Self-absorbed Parlour
  06/15/18
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Onyx aphrodisiac house
  06/15/18
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Aquamarine national yarmulke
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
Indigo frum hall
  10/06/21
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Indigo frum hall
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
Learning disabled nibblets toilet seat
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
Indigo frum hall
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
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  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
Indigo frum hall
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
exhilarant cruise ship antidepressant drug
  06/15/18
Explain
Indigo frum hall
  06/15/18
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Indigo frum hall
  06/16/18
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Indigo frum hall
  09/04/18
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Aquamarine national yarmulke
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
Tripping Sanctuary Idea He Suggested
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
Soul-stirring location
  06/15/18
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Indigo frum hall
  02/12/21
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Lime home associate
  02/12/21
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Onyx aphrodisiac house
  02/15/21
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Indigo frum hall
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Drunken Adventurous Step-uncle's House Roast Beef
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
marvelous crawly new version fortuitous meteor
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
Indigo frum hall
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
Translucent Persian Cuck
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
Indigo frum hall
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
Translucent Persian Cuck
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
Indigo frum hall
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
cerebral hot church
  02/12/21
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Lime home associate
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Drunken Adventurous Step-uncle's House Roast Beef
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
cerebral hot church
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
exciting headpube ape
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
cerebral hot church
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
exciting headpube ape
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
marvelous crawly new version fortuitous meteor
  02/12/21
lol no
contagious gay dilemma turdskin
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
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Indigo frum hall
  06/29/21
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Indigo frum hall
  10/06/21
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supple purple marketing idea
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
Arousing garrison
  10/06/21
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Indigo frum hall
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Indigo frum hall

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Twinkling sickened university

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: Self-absorbed Parlour

As I understand it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36253562)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Angry Hairraiser Internal Respiration Site



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: Angry Hairraiser Internal Respiration Site



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Rough-skinned lascivious heaven jew

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle theatre legal warrant

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: Indigo frum hall



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Coprophilia Johnny ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Brindle swashbuckling place of business plaza

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Angry Hairraiser Internal Respiration Site



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Onyx aphrodisiac house



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Brindle swashbuckling place of business plaza

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: pungent nubile elastic band becky

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: Filthy slap-happy rigpig



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Angry Hairraiser Internal Respiration Site

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Twisted Public Bath Masturbator

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: pearly nursing home affirmative action

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Tan spot legend

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Rough-skinned lascivious heaven jew

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Brindle swashbuckling place of business plaza

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Filthy slap-happy rigpig



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: Onyx aphrodisiac house



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: mischievous boltzmann pit

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Angry Hairraiser Internal Respiration Site



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Self-absorbed Parlour



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Onyx aphrodisiac house



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Onyx aphrodisiac house

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36253692)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Tan spot legend



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Aquamarine national yarmulke



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Onyx aphrodisiac house



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: Aquamarine national yarmulke



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Indigo frum hall

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: Indigo frum hall



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#49178251)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Learning disabled nibblets toilet seat

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Indigo frum hall

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: exhilarant cruise ship antidepressant drug

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: Indigo frum hall

Eat my dick nigger lover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36253786)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: exhilarant cruise ship antidepressant drug

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Indigo frum hall

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: Indigo frum hall



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: Indigo frum hall



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Aquamarine national yarmulke



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: Tripping Sanctuary Idea He Suggested

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Soul-stirring location

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: Indigo frum hall



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: Lime home associate



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Onyx aphrodisiac house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41949789)



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: Indigo frum hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#43271055)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Drunken Adventurous Step-uncle's House Roast Beef

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: marvelous crawly new version fortuitous meteor

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: Indigo frum hall

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: Translucent Persian Cuck

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Indigo frum hall

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Translucent Persian Cuck

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: Indigo frum hall

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: cerebral hot church

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: Lime home associate



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Drunken Adventurous Step-uncle's House Roast Beef

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: cerebral hot church

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: exciting headpube ape

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: cerebral hot church

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: exciting headpube ape

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: marvelous crawly new version fortuitous meteor

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: contagious gay dilemma turdskin

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: Razzmatazz sound barrier boiling water

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: Indigo frum hall



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: Indigo frum hall



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: supple purple marketing idea



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Arousing garrison

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2,#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: Indigo frum hall



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