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Q re ZZZ Hearing & Adding To The Record
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Date: August 15th, 2025 7:22 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., so the first two judges just dismissed his complaint without giving a statement of reasons, and it's just some one-sentence order?
how's he at fault for supposedly making up extra-record facts that the judge didnt give a statement of reasons. wouldnt a statement of reasons be in the record, if he these judges gave one?
idgi. it wasn't clear what happened.
wasnt a transcript of the dismissal hearings in the appellate record? |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 7:36 PM Author: .:.::;.:.;.::.;.:; The judges explained at the time of dismissal. They always do.
Z was just being disingenuous and/or didn’t want to spend money for a court reporter to be present in the lower court. |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 7:37 PM Author: Florent Geroux It doesn't matter if the trial court judges were right for the wrong reasons or if they gave no reasons. It doesn't matter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5762856&forum_id=2:#49188870) |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 7:38 PM Author: .:.::;.:.;.::.;.:; Literally nothing you can say will fix how badly you fucked that whole thing up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5762856&forum_id=2:#49188871) |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 7:41 PM Author: Florent Geroux You are a pumo and seem to think the trial court judges' legal analysis matters on de novo review of 100 questions of law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5762856&forum_id=2:#49188880) |
Date: August 15th, 2025 7:24 PM Author: Florent Geroux There is really only 1 thing at issue, the text of the complaint that was drafted.
A secondary issue could be whether the complaint could be amended if it's terms had some kind of problem as drafted. |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 7:27 PM Author: alpha+outgoing 24/7 thingdoer introvert (gunneratttt) hey candy ride how did you have an answer for this within two minutes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5762856&forum_id=2:#49188840) |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 7:30 PM Author: Florent Geroux It is an easy question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5762856&forum_id=2:#49188849) |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 7:33 PM Author: Martin Skhreli ((zurich is stained)) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5762856&forum_id=2:#49188858) |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 7:34 PM Author: alpha+outgoing 24/7 thingdoer introvert (gunneratttt) only for something very familiar with the record. this isn't a question someone could answer from just having watched the oral arguments.
i poasted the video after 10pm last night. did you spend the day going through docket? and if so, why? |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 7:36 PM Author: Florent Geroux It was an appeal after a motion to dismiss was granted and leave to amend was denied. Those are the issues on appeal every time that happens. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5762856&forum_id=2:#49188865) |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 7:46 PM Author: alpha+outgoing 24/7 thingdoer introvert (gunneratttt) the issue is whether you've abused your privilege to amend, and you cited a lack of explanation from the lower courts in the first two dismissals, which is outside the text of your complaint. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5762856&forum_id=2:#49188891) |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 7:52 PM Author: Florent Geroux That's part of what I said the secondary issue is. ZZZ had to show it wasn't futile to amend. Why are you jumping up and down about these basic concepts? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5762856&forum_id=2:#49188902) |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 8:02 PM Author: alpha+outgoing 24/7 thingdoer introvert (gunneratttt) abuse and futility are two different things.
"A secondary issue could be whether the complaint could be amended if it's terms had some kind of problem as drafted."
this has nothing to do with abuse. even the defendant said that there are sufficient facts to support a conversion claim and conceded it's not futile.
determining whether a plaintiff abused his leave to amend clearly requires information outside the pleadings. which is why you "testified" to the court that the trial courts didn't give any reasoning. if that's irrelevant, then why did you try to establish that out of record fact? |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 8:04 PM Author: Florent Geroux Abuse never comes up IRL. How many times are you trying to amend pleadings my man? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5762856&forum_id=2:#49188920) |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 8:12 PM Author: alpha+outgoing 24/7 thingdoer introvert (gunneratttt) it came up in this case and appears to be the primary issue.
zzz spent a great deal of his oral argument attempting to "testify" to the lack of the lower court's reasoning and even became argumentative with a judge over it. would you agree that was atrocious lawyering considering your stance on the appeal only being about the text of the pleadings? |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 8:15 PM Author: Florent Geroux I would never second guess a good lawyer licensed in a different jurisdiction than me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5762856&forum_id=2:#49188938) |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 8:21 PM Author: alpha+outgoing 24/7 thingdoer introvert (gunneratttt) so if this case was in your jurisdiction, then you would agree that zzz did a terrible job by attempting to testify to the lower court's lack of reasoning? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5762856&forum_id=2:#49188950) |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 8:24 PM Author: Florent Geroux Did you see above? The lower court's good or bad reasoning is irrelevant? This is retarded. I wouldn't have these conversations with my new associates. It's Friday night. No more dealing with employee lawyers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5762856&forum_id=2:#49188957) |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 8:29 PM Author: alpha+outgoing 24/7 thingdoer introvert (gunneratttt) yes, you said it's irrelevant. and zzz spent much time attempting to establish it. so you must agree that that was a mistake, right? why can't you just say zzz made a mistake? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5762856&forum_id=2:#49188965) |
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Date: August 15th, 2025 7:33 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., it's answering the judges' questions. either they're full or shit or you're full of shit. what is and isnt in the record and why.
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Date: August 15th, 2025 8:20 PM Author: .,..,..,.,,..,..,,,,,,,,..,...,.,.,., I'd recommend never again telling a judge at oral argument that he is "splitting hairs" when he questions an apparent inconsistency. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5762856&forum_id=2:#49188944) |