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Manhattan judge tosses Murder 1 for Luigi Mangione in state case
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Date: September 16th, 2025 10:37 AM Author: holy shit you guys are fags Ljl New York is so fucked up they can't even get this guy to go down on LWOP. 25 to life with the possibility of parole. Fed case only way he gets life or the death penalty. Libs never cease to amaze me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49274515) |
Date: September 16th, 2025 10:39 AM Author: Paralegal Moskowitz Why no murder 1?
Edit: just googled. NY requires an aggravating factor for murder 1 and premeditation doesn't count. |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 11:09 AM Author: UhOh wtf is more aggravating than premeditation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49274611) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 11:10 AM Author: holy shit you guys are fags You have to kill a cop or mock/threaten/defame a legislator. Only way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49274617) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 11:11 AM Author: UhOh ljl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49274619) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 11:15 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49274626) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 7:38 PM Author: nazi Lawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49276084) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 11:10 AM Author: Paralegal Moskowitz Terrorism I guess? Dunno, I didn't write the law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49274618) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 10:39 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., NY murder 1 is very narrow and was an overcharge in the first place (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49274520) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 10:41 AM Author: Charlie Kirk Did Nothing Wrong (TDNW) how is a planned political assassination not murder one? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49274521) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 10:42 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., every state defines murder 1 differently. which category do you think it is?
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/125.27 |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 10:47 AM Author: Charlie Kirk Did Nothing Wrong (TDNW) terrorism
but the laws are pretty stupid if a planned political assassination isn’t included |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 10:48 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., explain your argument how murdering a CEO is terrorism:
https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-490-05/ |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 10:50 AM Author: Paralegal Nahasapeemapetilon (✅🍑) I don't see it fitting the NY definition of terrorism for these purposes https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/490.05 (b) for purposes of subparagraph (xiii) of paragraph (a) of subdivision one of section 125.27 of this chapter means activities that involve a violent act or acts dangerous to human life that are in violation of the criminal laws of this state and are intended to:
(i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) influence the policy of a unit of government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) affect the conduct of a unit of government by murder, assassination or kidnapping.
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Date: September 16th, 2025 11:07 AM Author: holy shit you guys are fags Right it's not there. It's a really dumb statute. It's obvious the legislature wanted to maximize the number of murderers it let out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49274596) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 11:07 AM Author: Paralegal Nahasapeemapetilon (✅🍑) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49274602) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 11:49 AM Author: Charlie Kirk Did Nothing Wrong (TDNW) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49274669) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 6:41 PM Author: Sigmund Groid "affect the conduct of a unit of government by murder" -- attempted to affect conduct of DHHS as represented by Medicare reimbursement and the outsized influence they have on health insurers -- affected the conduct of the police since they had to secure the area and investigate |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 7:20 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., >-- affected the conduct of the police since they had to secure the area and investigate
this applies to literally every killer on the loose |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 10:48 AM Author: Paralegal Nahasapeemapetilon (✅🍑) it can't plausibly be any of them, including not the terrorism definition https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/490.05 |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 11:07 AM Author: holy shit you guys are fags Incredibly retarded statute (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49274601) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 11:21 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., actually it's kinda retarded that premeditation & deliberation is used as a way to grade murders. imho any intentional killing should be punished with LWOP whether there's premeditation & delib or not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49274631) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 11:22 AM Author: UhOh are you a lawyer? premeditation proves intent. without evidence of premeditation the killer just says "i didn't mean to!" and you're stuck with murder 2 unless he did something obviously fatal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49274635) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 11:23 AM Author: holy shit you guys are fags (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49274638) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 11:25 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., are YOU a lawyer? the jury can infer intent. evidence of premed & delib goes show intent, even if premed & delib isnt required to be separately proven.
i'm saying an intentional murder should be LWOP regardless of premed & delib. the prosecution is free to introduce evidence of premed & delib to show intent. |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 7:34 PM Author: nazi Lawyer cr, intentional murder has to be at the very least LWOP because otherwise someone can "trade up" and deliberately take another life without even having to sacrifice their own. this is obviously unacceptable to society (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49276074) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 5:35 PM Author: manic pixie dream litigator no he's right gradations of murder are retarded we already have manslaughter for situations w/extenuating circumstances.
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Date: September 16th, 2025 7:30 PM Author: nazi Lawyer non-lawyer here,
cr although i can see the utility in breaking them up into gradations for mandatory minimum sentencing purposes |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 7:32 PM Author: https://i.imgur.com/doopbKs.png I was wondering if Utah might do that to Tyler. Did they raise their burden of proof by requiring a child to see and hear every goddamn thing? What if the child didn't see him text his roommate or load the chamber? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49276067) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 6:49 PM Author: don henley stomping on your millennial balls So Alvin Bragg is too right wing for NYC courts now
*blank stare*
*blood runs from eyes* |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 6:50 PM Author: holy shit you guys are fags ESL?
No one here lives on BlueSky care to break it down for us? |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 7:33 PM Author: https://i.imgur.com/doopbKs.png Whoops! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49276070) |
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Date: September 16th, 2025 7:37 PM Author: excellent subthread Putting confirmed murderers on the street is practically a plank in the shitlib platform (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775882&forum_id=2:#49276080) |