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does anyone here actually understand heidegger
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:46 AM Author: doobsian obsidian sweet tailpipe is there a cr resource to read to understand him?
his writings are pretty tough to slog through |
Date: January 12th, 2023 12:19 PM Author: doobsian obsidian sweet tailpipe i should have asked this before twins "retired" again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45778602) |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:20 PM Author: walnut aphrodisiac laser beams I have tried but no. No I don't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45778605) |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:29 PM Author: doobsian obsidian sweet tailpipe so far i think i've gleaned that:
-Humans experience meaning through 'Being in the world' - basically, our personal existence and interactions/experiences are what is real and meaningful, and not the rest of the universe around us (?) -'Time' only appears to be "real"/salient to us because we are mortal and will eventually die, and thus as mortal beings we perceive time relative to this subjective reality
are these even correct? did he say anything else that's worth figuring out? |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:32 PM Author: walnut aphrodisiac laser beams he has some things to say about space too that you could probably figure out by analogy from his thoughts on time, but as far as i can tell, you get the majority of it already. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45778681) |
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Date: January 15th, 2023 10:17 PM Author: doobsian obsidian sweet tailpipe cr, seems to me like you can derive most of what he thinks from the principles of his basic ideas (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45794824) |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:21 PM Author: curious hall international law enforcement agency no and anybody who says they do is lying (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45778609) |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:21 PM Author: slate range as I recall the being of beings is being, I don't know how you can be more clear than that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45778610) |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:24 PM Author: walnut aphrodisiac laser beams i vaguely remember derrida describing a web of web of webs. i think that's probably the clearest idea you could describe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45778621) |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:24 PM Author: slate range derrida is 100% flame and I never met anyone outside of an english department who would say otherwise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45778623) |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:25 PM Author: walnut aphrodisiac laser beams i'll even troll for barthes but derrida is absolutely useless (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45778634) |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:27 PM Author: slate range something in the Frenchmen's brains broke after WWI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45778652) |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:27 PM Author: curious hall international law enforcement agency came here to scoff at derrida (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45778653) |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:30 PM Author: doobsian obsidian sweet tailpipe cr if there's one thing everyone with half a brain can agree on, it's that derrida is total fucking flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45778670) |
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Date: January 15th, 2023 10:14 PM Author: Histrionic senate boltzmann great head of hair though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45794808) |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:29 PM Author: zombie-like harsh market Never read Being and Time. But I did read the Question Concerning Technology and it’s not hard to understand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45778664) |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:30 PM Author: slate range that's definitely his best work, although I'm no mfe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45778669) |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:30 PM Author: doobsian obsidian sweet tailpipe cliffs? worth reading the original work? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45778671) |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:31 PM Author: slate range yeah it's just an essay and kind of lines up with uncle ted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45778677) |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:43 PM Author: zombie-like harsh market Technology enslaves us and colonizes our minds.
The interesting thing is not the thesis, which is common, but his perspective and approach.
Yes it’s worth reading. It’s just a few pages. |
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:32 PM Author: Onyx Bossy Elastic Band Cumskin Dasein can only be appreciated by reading the antecedent philosophers from Descartes--Nietzsche and understanding how how significantly his idea of "being" differs from others.
I have not read his corpus and can only appreciate sein und zeit on a superficial level.
For Hegel (and a few others), I could give an incredible answer. Henry Silton Harris's "ladder" series systematically and effectively explains everything abput the phenomenology.
Hegel's lectures about prior philosophers really show how he knows his stuff. If you have experience with Descartes, Aristotle, Plato, Kant, Epictetus and others he's a delight to read.
If you have time, read this short chapter:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/hp/hpintroduction.htm
And no, Hegel was not a Marxist. Marx's philosophy was a projection of a part of Hegel's
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Date: January 12th, 2023 12:36 PM Author: walnut aphrodisiac laser beams i do enjoy hegel's history of philosophy, but you've got to put it in that context of 19th century germanic discovery of vedic literature where they suddenly thought they unlocked the secrets of the ancients and completed the enlightenment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45778707) |
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Date: January 15th, 2023 10:13 PM Author: doobsian obsidian sweet tailpipe ok i think i actually understand him now. read a bunch of analysis and summaries from other people. fuck reading his original words, he just babbles on forever
doesn't really seem that complex. what i wrote in my reply to lex is more or less the entirety of his philosophy. basically just another existentialist |
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Date: January 15th, 2023 10:16 PM Author: ultramarine old irish cottage double fault I try to live Dasein, it's very stoic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#45794814) |
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Date: September 16th, 2024 10:13 PM Author: doobsian obsidian sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#48097091) |
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Date: September 16th, 2024 10:15 PM Author: Appetizing chartreuse hominid queen of the night extremely simple to understand (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#48097097) |
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Date: January 25th, 2025 11:16 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone house half-breed Yeah, sort of. Man’s fundamental being is quite inaccessible. It is not that of a detached observer (res cogitans) interacting with objects (res extensa) based on rationale thought. Rationale thought in the sense that conclusions can be reached to address any given situation based on the application of logic-based rules like an enlightenment era thinker might hope. There does exist a state of being of detached observation (e.g. when you regard the res extensa and perhaps even talk to yourself about it in your own head in a dualistic manner) but that is derivative of man’s fundamental state of being. Man’s fundamental state of being is something much more at home in the world, and it does navigate the res extensa but without self reflection. An easy example of this is how you can drive your car for hours and deal with all sorts of objects and adapt and maneuver your car without self reflection. In fact this is even more demonstrable in the sense that you actually start to feel like your car is a part of your body as much as you do your arms. It’s further evidenced by the fact that you can’t verbalize, in the sense of describing a formal set of logic bound rules, how is it that you are able to address the situations that came up on the road as they came up. You have after all never driven that same road at that same time under the same circumstances, and an attempt to derive a set of logic bound rules would ultimately be impossible due to the sheer infinitude of situations you would have to apply different and new rules to. That observation can be extrapolated not only to driving a car but as far as cultural practices and moral systems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#48590024) |
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Date: January 26th, 2025 10:31 AM Author: doobsian obsidian sweet tailpipe Ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#48590949) |
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Date: January 26th, 2025 10:55 AM Author: orchid location lettuce This is a full credit answer. I think you have to have some sense of the empiricism v rationalism debate and get through Hume first. And then you have to digest Hegel and Kant and understand how much Husserl and then Heidegger were responding to/addressing/trying to make their names by critiquing especially Hegel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#48591036) |
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Date: January 27th, 2025 2:35 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone house half-breed Cr which Heidegger was doing primarily by plagiarizing Kierkegaard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#48595189) |
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Date: January 27th, 2025 2:53 PM Author: orchid location lettuce CR like 50-60% of Heidegger is just Kierkegaard for Athiests. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#48595262) |
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Date: August 13th, 2025 2:52 PM Author: guy doing interesting things online this was a good response and it helped me with thinking about what it would actually take for AI to have human-like capabilities too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#49182104) |
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Date: August 13th, 2025 2:54 PM Author: artificial intelligence Ty brother. It would need to have a world to navigate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#49182108) |
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Date: August 13th, 2025 3:03 PM Author: guy doing interesting things online right. human-like AI will never be possible without this. and actually, the leading researchers have all converged on this realization within the past ~6 months or so
i've grown to have a lot of appreciation for heidegger since i made this thread btw. his ideas surrounding mortality and its importance for understanding the human condition are especially significant imo |
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Date: January 26th, 2025 10:34 AM Author: umber kitchen water buffalo Yeah I understand it and can write clearly about it not flame . It’s about phenomenology - definitely really important but Anglo American gatekeepers think it’s “woo” or whatever bexause it doesn’t autistically divide every silly little concept into terms so they can handwave. Like awew yeah those are supervalent anomalous counterfactuals!” Fuck that I’d rather read Heidegger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#48590961) |
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Date: January 26th, 2025 4:49 PM Author: doobsian obsidian sweet tailpipe Heidegger was what made me question my German-ness
I think I might be spiritually Anglo whether I like it or not |
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Date: January 27th, 2025 4:08 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone house half-breed Me too brother. Don’t need that homosexual rot from the likes of Bertrand Russell pozzing your mind. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#48595534) |
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Date: January 27th, 2025 2:55 PM Author: hideous lay yarmulke the fat fuck from Shinra? what's not to understand? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#48595266) |
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Date: August 13th, 2025 2:49 PM Author: frank rizzo cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#49182094) |
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Date: August 13th, 2025 2:48 PM Author: artificial intelligence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5269326&forum_id=2:#49182093) |