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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
ruddy racy base patrolman
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
Flesh Multi-colored Background Story Messiness
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
olive fiercely-loyal center
  06/15/18
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Slate spot
  06/15/18
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  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
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  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
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  10/06/21
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  02/12/22
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  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
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  06/15/18
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  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
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  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
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  06/15/18
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  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
Slate spot
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
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  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
Diverse french chef
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
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  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
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  06/15/18
sounds 180
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
Provocative Hissy Fit
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
ruddy racy base patrolman
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
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  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
ruddy racy base patrolman
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
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  06/15/18
Explain
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yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
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To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
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ruddy racy base patrolman
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Chartreuse Milk
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
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  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
ruddy racy base patrolman
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
Boyish grizzly corner
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
ruddy racy base patrolman
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
Boyish grizzly corner
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
ruddy racy base patrolman
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
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rose range
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Chartreuse Milk
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
Blathering Bipolar Area Generalized Bond
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
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  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
Blathering Bipolar Area Generalized Bond
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
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  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
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how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
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  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
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  10/06/21
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  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: ruddy racy base patrolman

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Flesh Multi-colored Background Story Messiness

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: olive fiercely-loyal center

As I understand it.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Slate spot



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Lavender casino yarmulke

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: odious associate azn

oh we got a legal expert here

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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: ruddy racy base patrolman



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Navy school hunting ground

they have no debt as I understand it

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Slate spot



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Navy school hunting ground

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Cyan cuckoldry

goes a long way in shaker heights

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Slate spot

Cr. Thats city janitor money

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Pearly razzmatazz gas station

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Diverse french chef

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Onyx cumskin rigpig

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Lavender casino yarmulke

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Navy school hunting ground

sounds 180

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: Titillating Theatre

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Slate spot



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: olive fiercely-loyal center



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Ebony Volcanic Crater Nursing Home

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Onyx cumskin rigpig



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: ruddy racy base patrolman

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: ruddy racy base patrolman



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Provocative Hissy Fit

omg 260k where do they get off

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: ruddy racy base patrolman

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: stirring faggotry plaza

p depressing news going into the weekend

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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: ruddy racy base patrolman

Eat my dick nigger lover

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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: stirring faggotry plaza

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: ruddy racy base patrolman

Explain

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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: ruddy racy base patrolman



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: lemon excitant stag film

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Iridescent stage

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: ruddy racy base patrolman



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: rose range



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Ebony Volcanic Crater Nursing Home



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: ruddy racy base patrolman



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Chartreuse Milk

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: Exhilarant travel guidebook genital piercing

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: ruddy racy base patrolman

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: Boyish grizzly corner

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: ruddy racy base patrolman

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Boyish grizzly corner

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: ruddy racy base patrolman

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Blathering Bipolar Area Generalized Bond

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: rose range



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Chartreuse Milk

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: Blathering Bipolar Area Generalized Bond

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: narrow-minded medicated pervert

Better partnership odds

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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: Blathering Bipolar Area Generalized Bond

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: narrow-minded medicated pervert

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: Exhilarant travel guidebook genital piercing

(Stevie Brogan)

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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: twinkling thirsty whorehouse

lol no

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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: Primrose galvanic depressive idiot

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: ruddy racy base patrolman



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: ruddy racy base patrolman



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: bearded swashbuckling hospital fortuitous meteor



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Shaky national

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: ruddy racy base patrolman



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