https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4979749&mc=60&forum_id=2

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What are the real negatives?

Does your body stop producing T normally and do o have to do trt forever now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5463677&forum_id=2:#47201032)

does it reduce the natural t your body produces, pwning you if you ever stop?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5463677&forum_id=2:#47201407)

Well… sign me up

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The K2 is so your arteries don't harden as a result of cholesterol

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1. Difference in enlarged hearts as an adaptation in endurance athletes, rather than pathological hypertrophic cardiomegaly, is that the heart develops vasculature proportionally as it enlarges in response to exercise. This vasculature doesn't develop when the heart is enlarged exclusively in response to androgens, likely because angiogenesis isn't stimulated without sustained cardiovascular load.

2. Pathological cardiomegaly results in lowers contractility, meaning the heart has to work harder, at a heavier weight, to pump the same blood.

3. With already developed vasculature and continuing cardio load/stimulation, the heart isn't likely to lose contractility. In other words, as long as there's high oxygen demand to stimulate angiogenesis, the heart's preference for androgens won't cause pathological growth because the growth will be accompanied by vasculature.

Bottom line: if you're in good cardio shape and jump on test at reasonable levels, you have nothing to worry about as long as you keep running; if you want to jump on but you're worried about heart problems, get in good cardio shape first and then keep at it once you jump on.

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2. Wanna try to discuss the physiology of it or are you gonna stick with "muh heart attack" without engaging with the question at all? This shit is not hard to understand, maybe look at the data.

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Also keep in mind that when you talk about heart enlargement etc the hazard typically eventuates during crises and not every day life. So ppl can walk around ok 99% on juice but when they get cytomegalovirus or something else that would be survivable they have no risk ceiling because their heart is already plumped up

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Would love to hear how enlarged heart increases risk of CMV death lmao; the actual issues with an enlarged heart are primarily arrhythmia and lost of contractility in the left ventricle, leading to heart failure. Cardiomegaly doesn't cause either, it simply exacerbates them because the heart has to work harder, and it usually is only concerning to cardiologists as an indication of underlying problems.

Again, guys with healthy hearts and good cardio have nothing to worry about.

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Went from being tired everyday with poor sleep to being pretty much filled with energy all the time. At same time, progress in weight training accelerated meaningfully.

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Get your blood work done, hop on if your levels are low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5463677&forum_id=2:#47206012)

Ashwaghanda

Tongkat Ali

D3

Zinc

Boron

Shilajit

Creatine (doesn’t boost your T but better workouts will help you get there)

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I tried but gave up after a few weeks because I hate hate hate injecting myself

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People in the US have an extremely weird skewed view of what is "normal" for male aging. A lot of it has to do with the SAD diet and other lifestyle factors common in the US that completely decimate your health and body, including your T levels. People wrongly tend to blame "aging," but really it is about health. Low T before the age of 65-70 is often a sign that you need to make a change to your diet and lifestyle.

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Absolutely MFCR on lifestyle and diet.

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I know this from irl experience with others, personally testing it and reading tons of publications on it - also enclomiphene is potentially carcinogenic like clomid long term and really elevates estrogen way more that they thought

Not shitting on your poast and yes enclomiphene is way more chill than suicide inducing clomid for pct it’s not a super chill easy process if you’ve been on it long term (1+ yr) and want to reset. It takes a while for LH FSH receptors to stabilize again after suppression they’re finding and the retards here thinking of getting on Trt Might think it’s just a simple chill process when they might be looking at months and tens of thousands in HMG injections to get back to previous normal

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My impression was based on the experience of two guys I know from the gym, one 40s and one 50s. Both said the returned to baseline inside a month, but I never saw their bloodwork so I'm going to assume they were probably wrong.

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