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Rabbi Had Me Talk To Prospective Cardozo 0L (at Sticker). CRUSHED His Dreams.
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:25 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location at shabbat, a rabbi told this kid with a stem phd to come talk to me about ip law.
he's considering enrolling in cardozo at sticker in the fall. i asked if his parents were helping, and he said nope, and he'd have to take out full loans for it.
then i proceeded to give him xo scholarship on TTTs being a scam with bullshit employment data, whittier closing down, etc. told him he'll be 200k in debt and may never make that money back.
he said no lawyer he talked to ever told him any of this before. jfc are other lawyers not saying anything of this shit to him? how fucking irresponsible.
he seemed to think he'd be okay with a patent bar number. i told him that means you MIGHT get a medium-paying job doing patent prosecution, not that you'll get biglaw ip.
i told him to get into a patent agent program and have them pay for law school, or just stay a patent agent. and see if he likes it.
pddj said i literally crushed his life dreams. i couldnt tell bc im low eq but she said he seemed like he was about to cry. |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:28 PM Author: stirring iridescent corner you're doing G-d's work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33205915) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:36 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location it's a double mitzvah on shabbat! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33205988) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:43 PM Author: White windowlicker doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33207429) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:28 PM Author: Lilac gaped property round eye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#35509848) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:21 PM Author: Orange galvanic idea he suggested pisswyrm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33209547) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:25 PM Author: White windowlicker doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#35509835) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:25 PM Author: olive resort antidepressant drug "i told him to get into a patent agent program and have them pay for law school, or just stay a patent agent. and see if he likes it."
This makes a lot of sense. If he still wants to do it after learning a bit more (and potentially getting someone else to pay for it), godspeed. |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:16 PM Author: zombie-like parlour This guy has a STEM phd and the best he could get into was fucking Cardozo? What was the STEM field, biology? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34011837) |
Date: May 1st, 2017 3:29 PM Author: painfully honest shimmering stage I routinely get asked to speak to college juniors and seniors who are thinking about law school. I always try to discourage them by having the same sort of frank conversation you describe.
I am invariably the first one to go through the cost-benefit analysis with them.
Nearly every damn one of them has gone on to law school anyway, including several to TTTs and FTTs. |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:34 PM Author: Avocado bearded national weed whacker Thhe highest lsat scorers are not going to law school as much...dumbs are still going. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33205965) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:36 PM Author: painfully honest shimmering stage In an odd twist, that means that some who should not have gone to law school in the past because all they could muster would be a school in the 20-30 range are getting into decent programs, which might make it worth it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33205991) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: Violet Thriller Theatre Son Of Senegal Weirder, it's often the slightly dumber kids who are best suited for BigLaw and make partner. Just so long as they keep around one or two super nerds they'll be fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010313) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: Zippy lime cuckold "decent programs" are not what make law school worth it. Cost is the determining factor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010339) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:38 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location cr. this kid isnt the first one i've had this frank convo with. usually they're just not about to put a deposit now.
but in any event, they literally never listen. retarded decisionmaking correlates to poor lsat scores. |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:29 PM Author: underhanded black stock car famous landscape painting That is such a good thing to have done I can't believe DBG actually did it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33205927) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:35 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location tbf i run xo law-school-is-a-scam scholarship on every prospective i meet. this is the first time i've ran it on a 0L deciding what to do in april/may who was sent by a rabbi to talk to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33205980) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:32 PM Author: cracking carnelian area You did a good thing even if you are autistic about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33205939) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: Big sticky shrine pocket flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33207404) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:35 PM Author: Avocado bearded national weed whacker Where was his phd from? How does a phd stem fail the lsat that bad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33205969) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:39 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location cq
seems to be a top 10-25 stem program in his field.
the funny thing is he has options, unlike a fucking poli sci shithead. wtf is he thinking?
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:40 PM Author: Avocado bearded national weed whacker Big diff between top 10 and top 25..like huge difference
By stem, i hope he doesnt mean biology...ljl |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:41 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location he got a postdoc offer at a directional state u. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33206040) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:46 PM Author: Avocado bearded national weed whacker Post doc isnt that impressive for stem. Tenurenjobs are where it is at. But still why the fuck is he going to law achool, esp since he bombed the lsat? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33206071) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:55 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location cq. pddj thinks has to be retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33206152) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:35 PM Author: Grizzly immigrant "good Shabbos" *DBJ expressionless getting up from seat near tearful jewdood* |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:36 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33205986) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: Grizzly immigrant I remember my poa being MUCH better when I was gakked Lol |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 3:02 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#37009445) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:57 PM Author: Hideous dopamine Israel should plant a tree in your honor. You basically saved a Jew's life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33206167) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 4:01 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33206197) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:22 PM Author: Orange galvanic idea he suggested pisswyrm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33209554) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 4:41 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location oh even the rabbi told me afterwards that i did the right thing. he said if someone solicits advice from you, you have to tell them your opinion and i have a basis for my opinion as an experienced lawyer.
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:56 PM Author: splenetic house-broken twinkling uncleanness cr, unless the person is a goy, in which case deception and trickery is the preferred approach. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33209365) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:22 PM Author: Orange galvanic idea he suggested pisswyrm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33209557) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2017 2:02 AM Author: razzle-dazzle location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33210406) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:22 PM Author: vigorous bespoke point community account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#35509816) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 5:42 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location oh yeah, he was convinced that he could lateral into a biglaw job even if he didnt get biglaw right off the bat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33206995) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:35 PM Author: Grizzly immigrant moar like lateral from his debt to suicidal ideation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33207378) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: Big sticky shrine pocket flask lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33207403) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2017 11:14 AM Author: razzle-dazzle location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33211536) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:41 PM Author: Big sticky shrine pocket flask good on you, you probably saved this guy's life why isn't he working in STEM? STEM phd is ez money |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:51 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33209308) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:52 PM Author: aqua dog poop OP is a hero (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33209318) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:55 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location tyty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#33209348) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 1:45 AM Author: razzle-dazzle location UPDATE: this fucker just began LS. in 4 yrs he'll be wishing he listened to me
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:10 AM Author: Chartreuse Abode Therapy ljl
you did what you could, and why can't he get in to a T14 with a decent STEM PhD? |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:11 AM Author: razzle-dazzle location maybe he's not that smart? maybe he didnt realize he needed to grind thru the 20 LSAT practice tests to get a 165 if he's stupid enough to go to cardozo? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010289) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:15 AM Author: Chartreuse Abode Therapy if he is getting in to a good STEM PhD he is acing the GRE and a fortiori acing the LSAT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010337) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:18 AM Author: razzle-dazzle location maybe he has weaker verbal / RC skills. alternatively, smart people sometimes are out of practice doing LSAT type shit if they're in stem. i know xo likes to think of the lsat as an intelligence test, but two similarly IQ people -- one who has been doing equations for 4 yrs, and the other who has been deconstructing arguments on xo for 4 yrs -- are gonna have diff LSAT results. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010360) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:22 AM Author: Chartreuse Abode Therapy I'll buy that
as far as pure IQ tests go, GRE is closer than LSAT I'm sure, but that opens the door to a high IQ guy relatively bombing LSAT
I suppose he is avoiding post doc purgatory too, which isn't irrational |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:25 AM Author: razzle-dazzle location yesh, avoiding post doc purgatory makes sense. but why not get an industry job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010423) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:33 AM Author: Chartreuse Abode Therapy agreed, terrible decision is a parent a lawyer? |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:06 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location nope. if parent were a lawyer, he'd tell the guy not to go (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34011757) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:02 AM Author: razzle-dazzle location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010209) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:06 AM Author: rebellious irradiated ape Stem phd probably cops an IP jerb hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010238) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:10 AM Author: razzle-dazzle location not necessarily biglaw ip. might be a 80k patent prox gig at some small firm when he's 200k in the hole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010274) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:18 AM Author: rebellious irradiated ape nah he's good for biglaw IP if the PhD is in a desirable field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010359) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:21 AM Author: razzle-dazzle location unless he has good grades, he's still got to have some luck to end up at a SHITTY biglaw place.
and then what? there's still ONE | WRONG | MOVE and he could be shitcanned from ipbiglaw. or economy could downturn and he could be latham'd.
and what's the exit option? in-house ip gigs are still fucking hard to come by. so 150k in-house if all the stars align.
and he's still got the debt. the point is he should have stayed in stem. |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:31 AM Author: rebellious irradiated ape nah incorrect.
NYC law school + hard STEM PhD cops IP biglaw man |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:33 AM Author: razzle-dazzle location not guaranteed. and not in a recession (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010532) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:09 PM Author: rebellious irradiated ape Sorry about your polisci shit degree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34011787) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:11 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location i'm a stembro / biglawyer who does some ip (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34011801) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:08 AM Author: demanding ruby ladyboy pervert Going to lolschool without an in of some kind (HYS, wealthy folks, instate while living at home) is like playing musical chairs. When the music stops some people will have a place to sit, and some won't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010264) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:12 AM Author: Violet Thriller Theatre Son Of Senegal During the height of ITE, I was talking to a guy on his way to a true TTT after I noticed him studying for the LSAT in a bar. I told him that he shouldn't go and his argument that he should was that his friend (who went to a T14) was being paid $80k to not even work for a year. They're not worth saving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010290) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: Chartreuse Abode Therapy jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010340) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: exciting jet meetinghouse My boss went to Dozo after 12 years as a marine. Alpha mother fucker and a major hard ass. As a bank MD he makes north of 300k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010307) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:14 AM Author: Violet Thriller Theatre Son Of Senegal That was when tuition was half today and that means he was on the GI Bill. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010323) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:15 AM Author: razzle-dazzle location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010329) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: Chartreuse Abode Therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010343) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:27 AM Author: Ultramarine ticket booth I'd bet that his success had more to do with being an alpha mother fucker/major hard ass and having the right rabbi. That's how it is at my place, got to have the right godfather/rabbi. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010449) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:29 AM Author: Erotic Hissy Fit Wow a hardass 45 year old marine earning what a 30 year old big law drone earns in the most expensive city in the country. Sign me up!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010474) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:34 AM Author: rebellious irradiated ape 300k for a bank MD is absolute shit.
don't you work in compliance b/c you couldn't even cop ANY firm jerb out of TTTulane? |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:17 AM Author: Ultramarine ticket booth Damn. lol. He's in for a world of pain when he can't find a job and is looking at the doc review world. Isn't there a forum where doc reviewers post? You should have sent him there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010356) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:22 AM Author: Poppy Nowag I think you guys don't understand the calculus for many people $160K seems like a fuckton of money and they'll chance it and can't imagine all the expenses and bullshit that comes with it... I usually burst lawyer dreams by asking my students whether they love grammar and sentence construction and they never do and then I say well lawyering is all about split infinitives and comma placement (this usually comes during an office hours discussion while their paper lies before them bleeding) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010403) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:27 AM Author: razzle-dazzle location that calculus is more understandable for some 21 yo retarded poli sci shithead.
a 26-27yo stem phd should be able to understand the flaw when it is explained to him. |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:23 AM Author: Charismatic range you could tell him to go for one yr and drop out if not in top of class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010404) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:24 AM Author: Chartreuse Abode Therapy this is not an insane suggestion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010421) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:28 AM Author: razzle-dazzle location this idiot obviously doesnt get the concept that he has to be in the top of the class. he's not gonna listen to that either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34010469) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:31 AM Author: Vibrant Theater Legal Warrant Biglaw score isn't bad at 20%
https://www.lstreports.com/schools/cardozo/
Just make sure you finish in top quarter and you have a shot. Law review is probably a near lock as long as you bid intell |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:34 AM Author: razzle-dazzle location 80% wont finish in the top 20%.
50/50 chance |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:13 PM Author: flickering brilliant box office I'm worse, I got in on my lawl school's prospective students alumni interviews and I tell every single one to run far far away. As far as I know, not a single one has listened. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#34011812) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:20 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#35509805) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:29 PM Author: insane house How were his first semester grades? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#35509854) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:38 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location dunno. curious to see what summer job he ends up with as a 2l (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#35509901) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:30 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location Update: ran into him. He got a 2L summer gig at a well known up boutique. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#37008679) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:33 PM Author: Mint lay inshallah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#37008698) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:33 PM Author: Coral base marketing idea Debt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#37008702) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location Full debt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#37009063) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 2:55 PM Author: Coral base marketing idea Rich parents, or copping dat paye? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#37009412) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 3:03 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location i guess he thinks he's gonna maek it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#37009447) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 10:22 PM Author: i gave my cousin head (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2:#49210207) |