Koreans are generally superficially polite, more or less quiet and neat, and well-behaved in public.

This has absolutely nothing to do with being civilized or because Korea is somehow more advanced as a society.

Literally 99% of Koreans were literal slaves of the ruling class until the end of the 19th century. They did not have last names (family names), no hereditary passing of belonging, and could be raped and murdered at will by the ruling class. There was no middle class to speak of. It was either ruling class, or peasant trash. The end of the Yi dynasty was immediately followed by Japanese colonialism. Although the actors changed, the subservient role remained the same for the vast majority of Koreans, except that this time, the women were sent off to serve as sex slaves, and the men were sent to the mines as slave labor or had their head's cut-off for katana practice.

After WWII, you'd think things would improve. But not. Korea has had one authoritarian regime after the other until things began improving in the 1980s. Things have gotten much better now, but Korea today still suffers from:

1) Children being taught to conform from day one. They all attend the same schools, read the same books, watch the same TV shows, listen to the same music, take the same courses and extracurriculars. Doing anything different is viewed as doing something wrong, and parents will freak out if they're not doing something some other parents are doing. It's not a matter of keeping up with the Jones, rather, it is doing everything by the book (hint: there is no book, just a bunch of parents trying to guess what other parents are doing).

2) Upon reaching manhood, every Korean male goes to the military, where they are beaten, sworn at, and basically reminded everyday that they are a worthless piece of shit. If a Korean man had any vestiges of independence or rebellion left, it was certainly killed shortly after beginning their military service.

3) After the military, every Korean male begins the horrific rat race of trying to get the best GC job they can. During this process, where it's standard that there is maybe 5 spots for every 10,000 applicants, one wrong move is a death sentence and you are relegated to being some shiftless contract or temporary employee for the rest of your life.

4) Once these men get these jobs and begin, they are immediately reminded of their role, working in a very strict heirarchy which demands obedience through an ungodly number of layers of corporate structure. Advancement is strictly by age and seniority. Talent is meaningless. Opinions are frowned upon. How dare some lowly junior try to tell his senior how to do his job better? One wrong move results in being Office Spaced without a stapler.

5) Oh, the women. They don't do the military, but the women of Korea make sure that other women are conforming and playing by the rules. They do this through incessant gossip, drama and abuse of girls who try to be different. And just in case women forget how they are supposed to act, they are bombarded on social media and television with countless examples of exactly what girls are supposed to look like and how they are supposed to behave. And where to buy the necessary products and accessories to achieve GC.

In conclusion, Koreans aren't more civilized. It's just that Korean society has brought peasant mentality to modernity. This is what modern day feudal society looks like. You have a few upper-class elites who are running wild, and the vast majority are huddled together in fear, trying their best to do what they're told, be where they're supposed to be, think how they want you to think and behave the way they told you to behave. The current grandparents generation were raised in this environment of fear under Japanese colonialism, and they taught the current parents how to survive by conforming and keeping your head down, and these parents in turn have taught today's young men and women similar lessons in peasantry.

It's tragic yet comical to see. Because the brainwashing is not 100%. You still see glimpses of the "real" personality from time to time. Like step on someone's shoe and say "fuck you I stepped on your shoe" and they will chimp out at you, revealing that they are no different from some black guy in the Bronx, screaming and swearing and causing a scene. But the moment you apologize, their survival instinct will immediately kick-in, and they'll bow, and walk on their way as if by some inner programming.

Is this civilization?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078646)

Trying to play off this conformist robotic culture as some kind of positive is just ridiculous. I can hear the CEOs laughing from here. They've got the perfect obedient workforce, and these people think it's actually a good thing! Lol!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078763)

or dindu thunderdome america

where's the part about how great the north shore is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078686)

North Shore is amazing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078710)

I think those places are 180. They produce some rugged All American Navy SEALs and Green Berets. And have traditionally great sports teams.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078891)

As a Korean myself, I find it amusing dealing with Korean dry cleaners who always treat me like shit. And sometimes Koreans will try to get me to donate to some BS community "Korean Fair" or some shit and then they'll start swearing and telling me I have no honor when I say no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078716)

The fact that it went from THAT to what it is today itself is almost unprecedented in history, and no one really did that in the 20th c

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078684)

-is either taking a nap or getting some spa treatment during a national crisis as a ferry carrying 400 high school students capsizes, and can't be interrupted for several hours despite pleas for help from high level governmental officials

-hires an uneducated literal fortune teller to handle high-level policy decisions

-instructs fortune teller to coerce bribes from corporations

Hollywood couldn't make this stuff up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078796)

Used the office of the mayor of Incheon when she was visiting. Replaced the toilet there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078876)

you also realize reagan's foreign policy decisions are responsible for things like migrant caravan, 9/11 etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078984)

Reagan was at least justified in his fight against the Soviets. There's no excuse for Bush or Clinton.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078998)

also yes, Trump will win in 2020. heavily heavily favored. a lot of the ppl voting against him in 2018 are just perma-MAF whiteys who will split 50/50 again in 2020 because some of them will hate the Dem candidate more. And then non-engaged normies, who have warmed up to Trump, will turn out and re-elect him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079041)

Even before the fall of Rome, it started off as "just 10,000 Visigoths" and a couple hundred years later, they were burning down Rome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079061)

They'll get on some big boat, they'll get turned away from Italy, they'll get turned away from Spain, so they'll start sailing towards the Statute of Liberty. En route, they'll be resupplied and refuelled by a willing armada of shitlibs with supplies.

Then Trump will be forced to turn back war refugees who are parked literally in front of the Statue of Liberty. Good luck with that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079121)

why would they be sending rapefugees to Europe? they're not that TTT.

i mean africa has its disaster zones, but that's more like niger and congo. and they'll move to europe AFTER Nigeria doesn't let them in LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079167)

No regulations, no enforcement--the Korean answer to regulation enforcement is basically shame-based suicide.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079140)

Somalia suffers from having no centralized control and warlords running wild. Korea never had that.

Also, Korea received an insane amount of US money which Korea did put to good use (thanks to its clear central power).

But economic development has nothing to do with the state of civilization of the people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078705)

Yeah it's too bad they sided with the Soviets during the Japanese occupation. But their original leadersehip were men who were fighting in the mountains alongside their Chinese brothers against the Japanese.

The Southerners basically either collaborated, or ran away. The few who fought back did so in a big beta way, writing newspaper articles and sparking demonstrations. Only a few actually violently resisted, all while the Japanese were literally raping their neighbors and enslaving their family members. Cowards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078747)

Korea has none of that. It's conform and you'll get to be a shit salary-man. Want to start a small business? Conglomorates will bury you. Want to say something controversial on a personal blog? The media will destroy you. Want to become an Astronaut? Lol get back to your desk and study more math.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078914)

The nobi system declined beginning in the 18th century.[15] Since the outset of the Joseon dynasty and especially beginning in the 17th century, there was harsh criticism among prominent thinkers in Korea about the nobi system. Even within the Joseon government, there were indications of a shift in attitude toward the nobi.[16] King Yeongjo implemented a policy of gradual emancipation in 1775,[4] and he and his successor King Jeongjo made many proposals and developments that lessened the burden on nobi, which led to the emancipation of the vast majority of government nobi in 1801.[16] In addition, population growth,[4] numerous escaped slaves,[3] growing commercialization of agriculture, and the rise of the independent small farmer class contributed to the decline in the number of nobi to about 1.5% of the total population by 1858.[8] The hereditary nobi system was officially abolished around 1886–87,[3][8] and the rest of the nobi system was abolished with the Gabo Reform of 1894.[3][17] However, slavery did not completely disappear in Korea until 1930, during Imperial Japanese rule.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079039)

I don't feel like digging up the research, but right before the Japanese occupation, something like 1% of the Korean population had family names, meaning, any kind of right to property and inheritance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079104)

My OP was a rebuttal to NYUUG stating that Korea RIGHT NOW is civilized and the poeple RIGHT NOW are 180. It'll be another two generations or so before the system changes, but that will depend on a further weakening of conglomorate control over the minds of the people, and a further rejection and toning down of compulsory military service.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079305)

I think it very much rivals Japan and India as the most distinct, "deep" culture to immerse into. japan/korea/vietnam are also the last bastions of confucianism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079136)

Most Koreans these days don't know all the old customs and in fact, are trying to get rid ASAP b/c it's a huge pain in the ass.

They don't even teach proper history in school anymore. It's all focused on cramming for exams with a massive influence on math and english.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079164)

that compares bigly with China and the USA/UK, where the countries in theory have a good cultural heritage, but absolutely nobody in society gives a shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079190)

History is one of the most popular majors in any college.

Most Korean media is about some rich kid and a poor cinderella and a vicious mother in law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079215)

But also those historical dramas of a few years ago--man people loved that crap--all about how king sejongs brother was a bastard but did a coup or something--I know that's not right im just giving an example.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079269)

You can tell by the utter lack of monuments to past Korean historical figures. It's like, "uhm thanks for centuries of slavery and letting the economy and military stagnate for hundreds of years to the point of Japanese occupation without firing a single shot in defense..."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079295)

about the only non-conformity country in northern europe is england.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078982)

what's wrong with teaching them to be obedient sex dolls who should get surgery and buy makeup until they look and act right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078825)

in America, hitting on good personality + good looking is an insane, unlikely convergence of rare possibilities, like winning the lottery twice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078899)

especially since we have teh same social pressure/indoctrination, it just goes in the opposite direction ("healthy at any weight!!!")

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078957)

It's mediocrity that makes something special. If everything is special, then everything is equally mediocore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079014)

a system where reasonably attractive people are so plentiful that even normies can cop a reasonably attractive person with a reasonably decent personality is basically an fantastical paradise compared to this hellscape.

I can see USA being preferable to a turbo elite turbochad, but Korea's cultural mindset, for all of its failures, is probably better for 90% of people than America.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079052)

Now, you're flooded with countless sites offering high quality shit all the time. Wanking becomes more of a chore and less of the adventure it used to be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079143)

what I mean is that's not what most people would get to enjoy though. like YOU get 100 normies + a gold gem every once in a while. average American gets either absolutely nothing or disgusting hambeasts in their entire lives. the average american male will never fuck a 4+.

like your argument is basically "its awesome when the quality of women is worse, because it makes it actually a chore for people like me at the top to cop one". Which is true. But that doesn't still make having high-quality woman a bad thing.

it's like tanking developed industrial society because being idle rich is toxic to the mindset of uh, really rich people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079208)

I suppose I'd want to venture out to other regions for additional goods not on offer in the Alps - like Bayreuth for THE OPERA - but in no sense I think I would TIRE of a place for its STRENGTHS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078889)

basically, "corporate job" means absolutely nothing to Chinese because every Chinese student at the local college will have a nicer car than I do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078912)

My view of middle class is some family making $100k or HHI, a decent house in the suburbs, maybe a pool in the backyard, doing the usual family stuff like BBQs and sleepovers.

You don't have any of that in Korea. Most Koreans are cramped in shitty rentals in shitty places and do nothing but work and drink, and kids are just always studying. I guess you can call that a middle class, but I consider that closer to indentured servitude.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078971)

MODS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078983)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwabyeong is basically the Korean version of this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078856)

What you have identified is caused exactly by the peasant mentality. Koreans are largely mostly still trapped in their peasant mentality. And they know subconciously know it, and are extremely resentful that even though the country has modernized and seen incredible development of wealth, they are still trapped in their historic role of peasant to their master.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078874)

Chinese are pretty consistently placid as fuck and I don't think anyone would call Korea more peasant-like than China

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37078885)

I give him props for being so proud of his country. You should never be afraid to be proud of your country.

But I think it's worth pointing out that Korea is not some perfect country filled with amazing people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079051)

the problem with NYUUG is that he is mentally ill, broken in the head by XO and NOWAG, and also an insanely repetitive, shitty poaster

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079107)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37079151)

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37081433)

i.e. critiques of neoliberal koolaid, conformity, "inequality"

Some of it is glass half empty syndrome.

i.e. women, feigned civility

Weakest premise is w/r/t "inequality". Post-Westphalian Order Korea has always been more "equal" than most Core countries and I use this in the empirical sense i.e. Gini CoE.

Other things you have wrong: 족보, etc but these are irrelevant to your larger critique.

I've seen the cumskin world at it's best i.e. Norway (A much finer example of "peak" cumskin civilization than the French Caliphate). You know damn well that Korea is literally doing better than 99% of the world right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4113119&forum_id=2],#37082256)