POLL: Did Pete Hegseht commit a war crime?
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Date: November 28th, 2025 9:46 PM Author: Avocado Church
Assuming the following is true, does this constitute a war crime:
The longer the U.S. surveillance aircraft followed the boat, the more confident intelligence analysts watching from command centers became that the 11 people on board were ferrying drugs.
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth gave a spoken directive, according to two people with direct knowledge of the operation. “The order was to kill everybody,” one of them said.
A missile screamed off the Trinidad coast, striking the vessel and igniting a blaze from bow to stern. For minutes, commanders watched the boat burning on a live drone feed. As the smoke cleared, they got a jolt: Two survivors were clinging to the smoldering wreck.
The Special Operations commander overseeing the Sept. 2 attack — the opening salvo in the Trump administration’s war on suspected drug traffickers in the Western Hemisphere — ordered a second strike to comply with Hegseth’s instructions, two people familiar with the matter said. The two men were blown apart in the water.
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Date: November 28th, 2025 9:50 PM Author: beady-eyed vermilion pozpig
As an Officer, he is subject to getting some of that UCMJ-love.
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Date: November 29th, 2025 12:57 AM Author: violent volcanic crater
I do not believe, based on the facts in the Post story, that Bradley could have relied on Hegseth’s order—even if Hegseth formally ordered the second strike. The prohibition on targeting a disabled combatant is so clear that Bradley had a duty, in the words of 18.22.4 of the Manual, “to refuse to comply with clearly illegal orders to commit violations of the law of war.”
https://www.execfunctions.org/p/a-dishonorable-strike?r=4xo6yq&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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Date: November 29th, 2025 1:46 PM Author: Avocado Church
Chat says you're applying a real rule incorrectly:
“If attacked from the air, you can kill them even after the initial strike.” — No. This is unlawful
Even in a full, declared armed conflict:
The moment individuals are:
out of the fight,
incapacitated,
shipwrecked,
drowning,
wounded,
thrown into the sea,
or otherwise unable to resist,
…they become hors de combat, and it is absolutely prohibited to kill them.
This is not optional.
This is Article 41 of Additional Protocol I (customary even for states not party) and long-standing customary law.
Shipwrecked persons get special protection under Article 12 of Geneva Convention II. They are to be rescued and protected, not attacked.
✔ The doctrine that "combatants cannot surrender to aircraft" exists — but it is narrow.
❌ It does not justify killing incapacitated survivors.
❌ It does not apply to people in the water.
❌ It does not erase war-crime liability for airstrikes.
If the described second strike occurred, it would violate IHL in almost any legal framing.
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Date: November 29th, 2025 8:55 PM Author: Avocado Church
That response misunderstands the law.
It mixes two different concepts and applies the rule for surrender to the completely separate rule for being hors de combat. In LOAC, these are not interchangeable.
Let me break it down in a way that’s airtight.
✅ 1. “Cannot be taken into custody” is relevant ONLY to surrender, NOT to hors de combat
Surrender rule (voluntary submission):
A person is considered to have surrendered only if:
They clearly express an intention to surrender, and
The opposing forces accept that surrender.
Aircraft often cannot accept surrender — so the law lets aircraft continue engaging.
This doctrine applies ONLY to whether surrender has successfully been communicated.
✅ 2. Hors de combat is a TOTALLY different rule
A person becomes hors de combat if ANY of the following are true (under Additional Protocol I, Art. 41 and customary IHL):
They are unconscious or incapacitated by wounds
They have clearly been rendered defenseless
They are shipwrecked (Geneva Convention II, Art. 12)
They are detained or otherwise unable to fight
NONE of these depend on whether the attacker can take them into custody.
The test is about:
their physical condition,
their capacity to fight,
and whether they are defenseless.
Not about whether a helicopter or aircraft is capable of arresting them.
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Date: November 29th, 2025 10:58 PM Author: Spectacular range
Your AI chatbot is parroting journalists and ignoring longstanding US martial jurisprudence. Journalists hate it, but combatants attempting to surrender to an aircraft remain legitimate targets and the US, the UK, and others have been killing them on camera for at least 20 years. Its at the commander’s discretion as to whether they accept it or not.
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2011-05-23/us-apache-guns-down-surrendering-insurgents
On February 22 2007, a US helicopter engaged a group of insurgents involved in a mortar attack upon coalition forces, near Baghdad.
After firing a series of 30mm rounds, the crew of the helicopter – callsign “Crazyhorse” – radioed to their command, stating the insurgents “wanted to surrender”. The response was blunt: “CRAZYHORSE cleared to engage … Lawyer stated they cannot surrender to aircraft.”
The Apache crew killed the men.
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Date: November 30th, 2025 12:40 AM Author: Spectacular range
This was my favorite take, international law in a nutshell:
“According to Bruderlein, if the allegations are correct, both the crew of the helicopter and the officer who cleared them to engage, would be guilty of war crimes. The lawyer who offered the legal advice would, he believes, not be guilty.”
Lawyers are blameless lol.
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Date: November 30th, 2025 8:01 AM Author: irradiated harsh heaven
guess what? the shipwrecked rule only applies to COMBATANTS, which these narco terrorists are not
pwned
https://x.com/briancox_rltw/status/1994943625646747794
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Date: November 29th, 2025 7:32 PM Author: violent volcanic crater
Absolutely no one is defending Hegseth.
No one.
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Date: November 29th, 2025 8:47 PM Author: Crusty pistol parlor
For those saying this is a war crime, if Obama had drone striked Bin Laden, and then saw Bin Laden limping away in the wreckage, would that mean that Obama couldn't have sent in another drone strike?
It all seems a little silly...
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Date: December 1st, 2025 10:30 AM Author: Mauve Institution
https://web.archive.org/web/20150508215824/http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2013/08/01/get-the-data-the-return-of-double-tap-drone-strikes/
"on six occasions, to have deliberately targeted people going to rescue victims and retrieve the dead from the scene of an earlier attack – a tactic also known as a ‘double-tap’ strike."
Not sure what you're arguing. No one is providing the definition you gave and the point is that this isn't just collateral damage but rather a second later strike specifically to kill the rescue resources. What is the resource that says "the exact opposite?"
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:33 PM Author: Spectacular range
Here is what a double tap is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_tap_(shooting_technique)
Your “double tap drone strike” terminology is derived from that.
In the Iraq War, some faggy jagoffs tried to claim that the second shot in a double tap was a war crime because the first shot disabled the enemy. We were banned from using the term “double tap” when writing AARs or giving SITREPs, and instead had to use the phrase “controlled pair”.
What I’m arguing is that America does not, and has not, engaged in deliberately baiting firefighters or ambulances or other humanitarians to an area just so they can execute them. You would have to be retarded to think that would be US doctrine. The “opposite” I’m referring to is that the rationales provided by the US are clearly indicate they are striking combatants, not that they are trying to kill civilian rescuers, which is what your definition of double tap includes.
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Date: December 3rd, 2025 4:37 AM Author: charismatic startling church building circlehead
you mean the Islamic terrorist we tossed off a boat into the ocean instead of allowing burial and Islamic burial customs? the guy we ripped out of his home and killed everyone else inside?
i can't believe how dumb libs are being about this. i have a lot of stuff i don't like that the Trump admin is doing but holy shit why are libs so fucking retarded. stop opposing everything no matter what just because it wasn't done by your side and trying to find some gotcha angle. that's failed since 2016, and failed hard since 2021. now you want to try to hang your hat on "international law"? LOLOLOL
you need Fetterman to take the floor and say "You know, fuck them, they are enemies of our country the same as any invading army. Stop being pussies."
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Date: November 30th, 2025 12:37 AM Author: talented drunken incel
"If the U.S. military operation is not an armed conflict of any kind, these orders to kill helpless civilians clinging to the wreckage of a vessel our military destroyed would subject everyone from SECDEF down to the individual who pulled the trigger to prosecution under U.S. law for murder."
https://x.com/gtconway3d/status/1994990468472426924?s=20
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Date: November 30th, 2025 1:26 AM Author: mustard zombie-like principal's office
Whatever it was AZNgirls will always find Handsome Hegseth innocent and demand that he blow up their pussies
But Heggie is definitely burning in hell and I cld imagine him never finding another jerb again and joining OnlyFans
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Date: December 1st, 2025 6:42 AM Author: violent volcanic crater
Hegseth is now pretending he never said “kill them all,” which basically dumps every one of those double-tap killers into the line of fire. He’s implying those service members carried out illegal orders, tossing their careers, their honour, and their freedom under the bus to save his own ass.
https://x.com/SkylineReport/status/1995216101916176546?t=4qazSz6g8OzWKG9D8bnwqA&s=19
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Date: December 1st, 2025 8:52 AM Author: irradiated harsh heaven
until we see video it should be assumed that the libs made this one up whole cloth
surviving a hellfire strike? doubtful
clinging to burning wreckage in the open seas? laughable
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Date: December 3rd, 2025 4:02 AM Author: charismatic startling church building circlehead
this is so ridiculous. Cartels brutally torture people, and have made their own governments their bitch, for the last several decades. we know China and other nation states are providing precursors specifically to destabilize us through the cartels. these aren't other countries playing by the "rules of war."
we're not bombing children like Israel. these are drug smugglers on a boat full of drugs in the middle of the Caribbean. if they're State sponsored and want to invoke international treaties about "war crimes" then step up. otherwise, yes, kill them all.
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Date: December 3rd, 2025 4:20 AM Author: charismatic startling church building circlehead
i can't believe people are actually opposed to this. we have the most powerful military in the world, and very well funded and extremely brutal people sponsored by either nation states directly or indirectly are bringing in heavy drugs specifically to destabilize us or to extract money from us, and people are handwringing over blowing up a boat filled with drugs and killing everyone on board? there was absolutely no chance anyone on that boat was innocent. but let's go further, what if, maybe, some guy brought his girlfriend on board and she didn't really know what she was getting into. so what? this is a boat traveling through international waters on the way to our coast with a bunch of criminals associated with a large criminal organization and full of drugs.
i have things i don't like about Trump or this administration but this isn't one of them. libs, you are picking the wrong battles.
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