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Review of IBM's new open weight model by a bigtech bro

I had a shortish exploratory chat with Granite4.1:8b tonight...
Filthy sticky field place of business
  04/30/26
who cares
Turquoise market
  04/30/26
I understood like half of that. Explain it like I don't read...
Lake Cracking Pocket Flask Striped Hyena
  04/30/26
It's designed to be fast and it was trained on high quality ...
Filthy sticky field place of business
  04/30/26
What does "no reasoning" mean?
Lake Cracking Pocket Flask Striped Hyena
  04/30/26
Everyone thought they needed reasoning models to get the bes...
Filthy sticky field place of business
  04/30/26
What does that mean? Doesn't it need to do reasoning to foll...
Lake Cracking Pocket Flask Striped Hyena
  04/30/26
The model still has to follow intermediate steps during prom...
Filthy sticky field place of business
  04/30/26
Yeah ofc, I just didn't know what "reasoning" mean...
Lake Cracking Pocket Flask Striped Hyena
  04/30/26
Like how chat gpt and claude for "hard problems" w...
silver trip double fault nibblets
  04/30/26
Got it, I thought it might mean that. I totally believe it c...
Lake Cracking Pocket Flask Striped Hyena
  04/30/26
Would never use something that has "deterministic outpu...
silver trip double fault nibblets
  04/30/26
I have news for you about women
very tactful half-breed goal in life
  04/30/26
what tokens/sec are you getting
obsidian blathering goyim
  04/30/26


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Date: April 30th, 2026 10:54 PM
Author: Filthy sticky field place of business

I had a shortish exploratory chat with Granite4.1:8b tonight.

It is a good model. The outputs feel something akin to deterministic which reflects the enterprise deployment IBM is shooting for. Input -> Output. The voice is pleasant and not overly beepboop robot. It hyperfixates on patterns (one message with a list kicks off 5 more) but it responses really well to faux system messages correcting it. The world knowledge is good and nuanced for an 8b model.

If I had a no-human-in-the-loop pipeline for evaluations or content parsing or something I’d 100% reach for Granite 4.1 first. It’s like,,, instruct tuned but only enough to accomplish its intended goal.

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Oh! And! No reasoning! As an engineered design constraint. Neat!

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Date: April 30th, 2026 10:56 PM
Author: Turquoise market

who cares

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Date: April 30th, 2026 10:56 PM
Author: Lake Cracking Pocket Flask Striped Hyena

I understood like half of that. Explain it like I don't read hackernews

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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:00 PM
Author: Filthy sticky field place of business

It's designed to be fast and it was trained on high quality data. IBM really went their own direction

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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:02 PM
Author: Lake Cracking Pocket Flask Striped Hyena

What does "no reasoning" mean?

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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:09 PM
Author: Filthy sticky field place of business

Everyone thought they needed reasoning models to get the best chat experience, but now with agentic harnesses the reasoning becomes a waste of tokens. I have it disabled in my Hermes Agent because it's too fuckin slow. IBM basically just saved us all from having to manually disable it

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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:10 PM
Author: Lake Cracking Pocket Flask Striped Hyena

What does that mean? Doesn't it need to do reasoning to follow instructions?

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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:28 PM
Author: Filthy sticky field place of business

The model still has to follow intermediate steps during prompt processing, people are just finding more efficient ways to do it. One model (I forget which one) keeps the entire prompt intact at each layer.

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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:54 PM
Author: Lake Cracking Pocket Flask Striped Hyena

Yeah ofc, I just didn't know what "reasoning" meant and was too lazy to search

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2],#49856136)



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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:33 PM
Author: silver trip double fault nibblets

Like how chat gpt and claude for "hard problems" will go into a "chain of thought" where it "reasons". I turn it off for basic chats and only use it when I'm having it solve something difficult. Also sometimes it makes it stupider believe it or not. Also way faster without it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2],#49856103)



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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:53 PM
Author: Lake Cracking Pocket Flask Striped Hyena

Got it, I thought it might mean that. I totally believe it could make it stupider in some cases. I'll turn that off on the ones I use and see if the results are better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2],#49856134)



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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:31 PM
Author: silver trip double fault nibblets

Would never use something that has "deterministic outputs"

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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:36 PM
Author: very tactful half-breed goal in life

I have news for you about women

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2],#49856105)



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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:55 PM
Author: obsidian blathering goyim

what tokens/sec are you getting

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