How did a dog turn into a blue whale in only 50 million years?
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Date: July 12th, 2023 12:24 AM Author: Hairraiser yarmulke
C'mon. Really? I can see this turning into a bear maybe, but to become a blue whale I would think would take at least 125 million years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakicetus
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Date: July 12th, 2023 1:05 PM Author: Hairraiser yarmulke
In order for this timeline to make sense, blue whales themselves can't have been whales for very fuckin long. Maybe a million years? I mean, if you assume any given critter that evolved along the way survived at least a million years before undergoing some fundamental transformation, that's still only 50 hops to get from a dog to a blue whale.
This chart isn't real fuckin helpful either. I see a lot of missing links.
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/what-are-evograms/the-evolution-of-whales/
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Date: July 12th, 2023 1:07 PM Author: chest-beating cruise ship
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Held by your astrological sign
Now I'm caught in the middle
You're next to me
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The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land
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Date: July 12th, 2023 3:14 PM Author: Hairraiser yarmulke
This is part of the problem: there's no agreed definition of dog. If you're talking about behaviorally domesticated dogs, like dogs that take orders from you and shit, that's a lot different from other forms of symbiosis that probably occurred along the way. Parasitism is a form of symbiosis, and some would argue that cats are still at the parasitic stage. Dogs probably went through a parasitic stage that caused an initial split from wolves, but they wouldn't have been taking orders from us yet. They were probably eating our table scraps at a really early stage.
They are also both shitty examples because both can still mate with the wild population just fine. There's nothing at all preventing a dog and wolf from mating or even living in the same pack. They probably don't recognize each other as different species at all.
Furthermore, both dogs and cats can go feral and be just fine. They don't need humans, they just form packs like their wolf cousins and act more or less like wolves. Pigs, horses and sheep can do this too.
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Date: July 12th, 2023 8:54 PM Author: apoplectic red corner goal in life
wow so much difference just wow
let me know when one of them sprouts wings and starts flying, macro-e cuck
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Date: July 13th, 2023 1:11 AM Author: apoplectic red corner goal in life
the thing is there's no fossil record of it. odd case.
that's why the jew sophist stephen jay gould came up with "punctuated equilibrium."
but pe is not a "theory"--it is just a straightforward statement of the empirical evidence that macroevolution doesn't exist. that's why it's "punctuated"--because the intermediate fossils required by evolutionary theory simply don't exist.
evolution is not just a falsifiable theory; it's a theory that already has been falsified by the actual fossil record.
because it never happened. sure, poodles aren't wolves. but poodles don't fly either, do they? and they don't live in the ocean, do they?
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Date: July 12th, 2023 3:32 PM Author: Hairraiser yarmulke
Wolves HAVE changed a lot actually, in the sense that they have almost been totally killed off by humans with dogs. Look at this wolf that used to exist:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Canis_dirus_skull_and_neck.jpg/1920px-Canis_dirus_skull_and_neck.jpg
What happened is that some wolves adapted to humans, and those wolves now greatly outnumber every other type of wolf by exponential factors. The total number of "dogs" on earth must be 100 trillion times the number of all wolves combined.
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Date: July 12th, 2023 1:47 PM Author: concupiscible stage
The evidence for macroevolution, the process of large-scale changes at or above the level of species over geologic time, is very strong and comes from multiple scientific disciplines, including paleontology, comparative anatomy, biogeography, embryology, and molecular biology.
Here are a few key pieces of evidence:
Fossil Records: Fossils provide direct evidence of macroevolution through the emergence of new species, new groups of species, and the extinction of species over geologic time. For example, we have a well-documented fossil record showing the transition from fish to amphibians, from land-dwelling mammals to whales, and from non-avian dinosaurs to birds.
Comparative Anatomy and Embryology: Organisms that have a common ancestor often share similar structures, even if they serve different functions. For instance, the limb structures of humans, bats, cats, and whales are strikingly similar, indicating a common ancestral origin. Embryonic similarities between different species also suggest common ancestry and macroevolutionary change.
Molecular Evidence: All life shares the same basic biochemistry, such as DNA, RNA, and proteins. Genetic comparisons (comparing DNA sequences) among diverse forms of life reveal the degree of relatedness among different organisms and are used to construct phylogenetic trees. For example, humans and chimpanzees share about 98.7% of their genetic material, pointing to a relatively recent common ancestor.
Biogeography: The geographic distribution of species on Earth is consistent with macroevolutionary theory. This can be seen in the distinct but related species found on different continents, on islands, and in isolated environments. For instance, the distribution and diversification of Darwin's finches across the Galapagos Islands is a well-known example of macroevolution.
Direct Observation: In some cases, macroevolution has been directly observed. This is especially true for organisms with short generation times, such as certain species of plants, insects, and microorganisms. For instance, the evolution of antibiotic resistance in bacteria is a form of macroevolution.
All these different lines of evidence converge to the same conclusion, providing a powerful testament to the reality of macroevolution.
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Date: July 12th, 2023 5:47 PM Author: concupiscible stage
Here are some examples of observed speciation events:
Darwin's Finches: The finches on the Galapagos Islands are one of the most famous examples of observed speciation. The Grants, a pair of evolutionary biologists, have been studying these birds for over 40 years and have documented the development of a new species in real time.
Hawthorn Fly (Rhagoletis pomonella): This insect originally laid its eggs only in the fruit of the hawthorn tree, but some flies started laying their eggs in introduced apple trees in the 1800s. The two fly populations – those that lay their eggs in apple trees and those that lay their eggs in hawthorn trees – have since become so genetically distinct that they are on the path to becoming two different species.
London Underground Mosquito (Culex pipiens): During World War II, mosquitoes in the London Underground train system evolved to become a separate species (Culex pipiens molestus) from their above-ground counterparts (Culex pipiens pipiens). The underground mosquitoes do not require a blood meal before laying eggs and breed all year round, which the above-ground mosquitoes do not.
Peppered Moths (Biston betularia): This is an example of rapid natural selection rather than speciation, but it's quite instructive. Prior to the Industrial Revolution in England, the light-colored form of this moth was common. As soot blackened the trees of the forests, the dark form of the moth became more common because it was better camouflaged from predators.
Cichlid Fish in Lake Victoria: These fish are an impressive example of adaptive radiation, where multiple species evolve from a single ancestral species. Over the past 15,000 years, a single species of cichlid fish introduced into Lake Victoria has diversified into more than 500 species.
Three-spined stickleback (Gasterosteus aculeatus): This is a fish species that, after the last Ice Age, has shown numerous instances of speciation as populations adapted to freshwater environments distinct from their ancestral marine habitats.
These examples demonstrate that speciation is a process that can and does happen within observable timescales.
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Date: July 12th, 2023 6:42 PM Author: concupiscible stage
I made my point about speciation by referring to work conducted by biologists. Your response was to ask for my definition of speciation.
I responded by referring you to the work of biologists to determine what criteria they use when analyzing what consititutes speciation.
You response was to accuse me of “equivocating”.
I responded by, again, referring you to the work of biologists in the field. Not my own personal opinion of what speciation is, which literally doesn’t matter because (1) I’m not a biologist; and (2) even if I were, my opinion may be idiosyncratic and not representative of scientific consensus
Your response was to say the same thing again, like some kind of retarded robot
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Date: July 12th, 2023 2:15 PM Author: Flirting transparent party of the first part
the real question is how my WIFE turned into a whale in just 50 MONTHS (after the wedding)!
lol jk honey ur beautiful just as u are
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Date: July 12th, 2023 2:48 PM Author: Hairraiser yarmulke
Here's bears for comparison. Doesn't this look a lot more sane? They also share a common ancestor with dogs. Notice there are 30 million years of separation between raccoons and bears, and raccoons still look and ACT like miniature bears. Just watching both animals in the wild, you can tell they are kissing cousins. Also, 20 million years separate pandas from other bears, but would you ever question whether pandas are "bears?" They're telling us dogs turned into orcas and humpback whales over roughly the same period of time that separates pandas from polar bears.
https://thewhiskerchronicles.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/bear-phylogenetic-tree.jpg
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Date: July 12th, 2023 6:36 PM Author: Boyish private investor hunting ground
50 million? Preposterous!
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Date: July 12th, 2023 7:29 PM Author: Hairraiser yarmulke
libs ITT btfo by actual science:
https://www.quantamagazine.org/evolution-runs-faster-on-short-timescales-20170314/
God damn look at how smug and certain libs were when they told us we could scale up from microevolutionary timescales. What LOSERS these people are. Extremely dumb people.
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Date: July 12th, 2023 7:34 PM Author: Hairraiser yarmulke
It also means that scientists may need to revise the dates of evolutionary events in the deep past, as they likely underestimated how long ago they truly happened, Katzourakis said.
It also means that scientists may need to revise the dates of evolutionary events in the deep past, as they likely underestimated how long ago they truly happened, Katzourakis said.
It also means that scientists may need to revise the dates of evolutionary events in the deep past, as they likely underestimated how long ago they truly happened, Katzourakis said.
It also means that scientists may need to revise the dates of evolutionary events in the deep past, as they likely underestimated how long ago they truly happened, Katzourakis said.
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Date: July 12th, 2023 9:26 PM Author: Hairraiser yarmulke
Here's a good representation of what I say above about genetic slack.
https://d2r55xnwy6nx47.cloudfront.net/uploads/2017/03/Evol615.gif
There are likely ancestral sequences hidden in that slack that exist species-wide in a kind of quantum state. They can get triggered with some frequency after remaining largely dormant for millions of years. You see it as "microevolution," but on a long enough timescale it's just a blip. Any major transformation occurs over such a long timescale that you're unlikely to witness any observable step along the path even on 100k year timescales. That's true even if it takes place in the span of 1000 years. Just as a matter of random chance, it's unlikely that 1000 year timeframe is going to occur within the last 15k years or even 500k years, given a 50-500 million year timespan.
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