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is Greg 'The Professor' Maddux the most underrated pitcher of all time?

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Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown
  04/05/26
Underrated by whom? He’s revered
snowy provocative library
  04/05/26
how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?
Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown
  04/05/26
He's undoubtedly top 3
Crystalline Gaming Laptop
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan? Randy Johnson?
Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind to...
snowy provocative library
  04/05/26
honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name ...
Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown
  04/05/26
Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order: Maddux Joh...
Crystalline Gaming Laptop
  04/05/26
cr but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or ...
Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown
  04/05/26
Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO
Crystalline Gaming Laptop
  04/05/26
all 3 above above ryan?
Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown
  04/05/26
pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete...
Light bonkers parlour shitlib
  04/05/26
Hard to say but he’s up there for sure
snowy provocative library
  04/05/26
he's def most high iq though, no?
Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown
  04/05/26
Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal ...
snowy provocative library
  04/05/26
the latter obv i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the ...
Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown
  04/05/26
Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. N...
snowy provocative library
  04/05/26
cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bob...
Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown
  04/05/26
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Racist Redneck from Alabama
  06/04/26
he's appropriately rated
Electric lodge factory reset button
  04/05/26
lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher ...
lilac ticket booth hunting ground
  04/05/26
Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?
Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown
  04/05/26
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Ultramarine love of her life
  04/06/26
Pedro was better (than anyone).
silver toilet seat
  04/05/26
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Electric lodge factory reset button
  04/05/26
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Arousing Olive Indian Lodge Immigrant
  04/07/26
He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys...
scarlet garrison sex offender
  04/05/26
Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generat...
trip office jew
  04/05/26
he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smart...
zippy cruise ship blood rage
  04/06/26
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Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown
  04/06/26
He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorr...
Ultramarine love of her life
  04/06/26
yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1...
zippy cruise ship blood rage
  04/06/26
Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently h...
Ultramarine love of her life
  04/07/26
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Ricky
  06/04/26
do not google. there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or gr...
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  06/04/26
Randy Johnson Clemmons Pedro Ryan Glavine Bab...
Ricky
  06/04/26
this career WAR. you got these right. 1. Cy Young+ (22)...
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  06/04/26
No Goog
tokens in abundance
  06/04/26


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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:38 PM
Author: snowy provocative library

Underrated by whom? He’s revered

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown

how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Crystalline Gaming Laptop

He's undoubtedly top 3

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown

Nolan Ryan?

Randy Johnson?

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: snowy provocative library

Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind too but idk.

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown

honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name a top 3-5

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:50 PM
Author: Crystalline Gaming Laptop

Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order:

Maddux

Johnson

Martinez

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2],#49796426)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:53 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown

cr

but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or are they well outside top 3

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Crystalline Gaming Laptop

Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown

all 3 above above ryan?



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:59 PM
Author: Light bonkers parlour shitlib

pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete career. however you rank they are both tier 1.

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: snowy provocative library

Hard to say but he’s up there for sure

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown

he's def most high iq though, no?

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: snowy provocative library

Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal lives, or do you mean high IQ with respect to how he played?

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:45 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown

the latter obv

i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the mouth level dumb irl in his off time as long as hes throwing fucking gems over the mound

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: snowy provocative library

Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. No man is an island

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:47 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown

cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bobby and mazzone to get fucked a bunch

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Date: June 4th, 2026 1:01 AM
Author: Racist Redneck from Alabama



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: Electric lodge factory reset button

he's appropriately rated

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: lilac ticket booth hunting ground

lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher of all time

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown

Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?

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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:04 PM
Author: Ultramarine love of her life



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:27 PM
Author: silver toilet seat

Pedro was better (than anyone).

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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:47 PM
Author: Electric lodge factory reset button



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:54 AM
Author: Arousing Olive Indian Lodge Immigrant



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:51 PM
Author: scarlet garrison sex offender

He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys like Trout and Ohtani

If you swapped some random cy young candidate like Bryan Woo for Maddux, he would crush it in the 90s also

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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:55 PM
Author: trip office jew

Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generation

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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:49 AM
Author: zippy cruise ship blood rage

he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smarter than other players. perennial gold glove fielder. platonic ideal of "the professor" type who doesn't throw super hard but just outthinks the batter. also insanely low walk rate - nobody - absolutely nobody - had better control

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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:07 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle ocher den clown



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Date: April 6th, 2026 2:11 PM
Author: Ultramarine love of her life

He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorrectly for not having any velocity.

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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: zippy cruise ship blood rage

yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1960 in the hall of fame that threw softer is tom glavine. only reliever is trevor hoffman

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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:52 AM
Author: Ultramarine love of her life

Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently hit a 92 mph fastball with a year of dedicated training.

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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:17 AM
Author: Ricky



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:31 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


do not google.

there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or greater. name them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2],#49914284)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:36 AM
Author: Ricky

Randy Johnson

Clemmons

Pedro

Ryan

Glavine

Babe Ruth

Scherzer

Seaver

cy Young

Maddux



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:43 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


this career WAR. you got these right.

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:57 AM
Author: tokens in abundance
Subject: No Goog

Clayton Kershaw

Curt Schilling

Mariano Rivera

Bob Gibson

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