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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:35 AM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug It's like a round robin playoff format with no single elimination. Truly idiotic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048438) |
Date: June 25th, 2025 10:35 AM Author: Brindle Irradiated Hall reddit loves it and suggests implementing it in every election worldwide. that's all you need to know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048441) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:37 AM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug The other thing brilliant about the NYC mayor race is that all the same characters are on the ballot again in November. So it's like what was the point? We got faggy ranked voting but technically no one was actually eliminated? So we get to rank vote them again? Liberals really do hate life and themselves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048445) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:46 AM Author: elite sadistic ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048465) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:50 AM Author: amethyst affirmative action principal's office It's dumber than that, ranked voting is for the primary only. You only get one vote in the general. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048473) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:54 AM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug Byzantium had a more sensible system (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048483) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:55 AM Author: amethyst affirmative action principal's office Don't be mean to Justinian :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048488) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 2:17 PM Author: Multi-colored organic girlfriend fortuitous meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49049044) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:49 AM Author: Vivacious space keepsake machete It lasted over 1000 years. Of course it had a great system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051117) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 11:17 AM Author: azure passionate nursing home trust fund Lindy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051175) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 11:42 AM Author: big son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051233) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 11:17 AM Author: Lilac unholy pozpig cuckoldry It worked in practice but not in theory (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051177) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 2:17 PM Author: Multi-colored organic girlfriend fortuitous meteor This makes sense to me because while ranked choice is stupid, political parties can run their primaries however they want. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49049046) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:38 AM Author: soul-stirring drab nibblets hominid yeah let's just have a system rigged for two terrible parties forever.
I love having to pick the lesser of two evils or throw my vote in the garbage |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:41 AM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug If there were a viable third party it wouldn't be a waste of your vote to vote for them. The reason third parties feel like a waste is that they have almost zero popularity. It's their views that suck. Only one in a hundred people actually like them. But you want to feel special so you can rank Lander number one but Zohan two so you can lose on the first ballot but you're voting a second time to block Cuomo? How about you grow the fuck up and vote your conscience and too bad so sad your candidate woefully unpopular and it's on you to decide whether to throw your vote award or not. Third partymos cannot accept that no one wants them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048456) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:47 AM Author: Laughsome abusive kitty parlor that AVP "whoever wins, we lose" movie poster needs to be turned into marble and put on the national mall imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048467) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:51 AM Author: amethyst affirmative action principal's office CR. A bunch of NYC fags elected a musbro terrorist, but that's not the fault of CV, it's because of NYC fags. The mechanism itself is fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048475) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:59 AM Author: trip turquoise lay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048504) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 11:00 AM Author: sienna narrow-minded pervert immigrant voting for two choices is the only kind of voting that actually makes any coherent sense
not flame. spend like 10 minutes thinking about it |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:45 AM Author: swashbuckling mediation stag film yeah it’s very reddity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048461) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:50 AM Author: Brindle Irradiated Hall Hey, Vsauce! Michael here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048470) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:52 AM Author: sienna narrow-minded pervert immigrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048477) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:47 AM Author: elite sadistic ceo *voting is dumb and terrible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048466) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 2:48 PM Author: twinkling locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49049111) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:50 AM Author: maroon fighting filthpig Reddit loves it so yeah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048469) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:54 AM Author: sienna narrow-minded pervert immigrant democracy sucks, but at the very least you have to give normgroids a maximum of 2 candidates, or a yes/no choice on something
it's just absurd to think that some normgroid ape is "rationally" doing a "ranked choice" of 5 different people lmao |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:58 AM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug What it is is it's voting twice. You're voting for someone you know isn't going to win but you're saying wait wait, I deserve a second chance here. I knew my buddy was only going to get ten votes. But it was REALLY heckin important that I express my voice. Anyway back in reality I'd rather have this guy than the other guy.
It's so needy to give libs two votes but they must have their do-over Mulligan vote after they've got their super important feelings off their chest. |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:55 AM Author: mewling french chef bbw It seems to me that ranked voting will go away naturally with time. How far off are we from the candidate who gets all of his die hard supporters to only vote for him and refuse to rank vote other candidates? At that point the strongest coalition will win and ranked voting will die. Alternatively, it will never die because voters are cucky and don’t know what they want. |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 10:57 AM Author: amethyst affirmative action principal's office ? If somebody has strong enough support that people ranking only him makes a difference, then that's no different between him having a lot of 1's and then those ballots have 2-5's that will never matter anyway. What IRV prevents is a third party vanity faggot from siphoning 10% of the vote from the candidate closer to them. Some of those might vote for only their guy anyway, but that's no different than throwing the vote away in a FPTP system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048494) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 11:00 AM Author: elite sadistic ceo I don't like ranked choice voting because suppose someone ranks 8 no-chance faggot third party candidates, then the Dem 9th and the Republican 10th. Their 9th place choice is going to count just as much as a normal person's 1st place choice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048507) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 11:01 AM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug Ding ding ding we have a winner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048516) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 11:00 AM Author: Cruel-hearted Talented Kitchen cons hate it because it optimizes for voter preference whereas cons prefer to install leaders against the will of the electorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048510) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 1:24 PM Author: soul-stirring drab nibblets hominid TITCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048903) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 1:58 PM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug Yeah if anyone chooses their next leader by secret cabal and then tries to get the general public to ratify the elite's choice at the last minute, it's the Republicans 🤔 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49049003) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 2:49 PM Author: Cruel-hearted Talented Kitchen At least Kamala got over 50% of the vote for VP. Trump’s never won 50% ever in any election he’s run in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49049114) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 2:53 PM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug This is truly the greatest argument I have ever heard about anything ever. Kamala 50% of the vote as vice president. I have to write that one down. In my book of jokes. Thank you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49049128) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 3:43 PM Author: Cruel-hearted Talented Kitchen Biden also won a majority of the vote twice as VP and once as POTUS. Obama also did it twice. Trump has never won a majority in any election he’s ever run in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49049281) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 8:07 AM Author: zippy address jap no one cares how CA, NYC and Chicago vote you stupid faggot. we have the electoral college for a fucking reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49050873) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 12:34 PM Author: Cruel-hearted Talented Kitchen it matters when you talking about having a “mandate” or when you argue in court that a certain policy represents the “will of the people” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051389) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 12:47 PM Author: Multi-colored organic girlfriend fortuitous meteor "or when you argue in court that a certain policy represents the “will of the people”"
You're not a lawyer, are you? There is no legal significance to having a majority of the popular vote. |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 12:51 PM Author: Cruel-hearted Talented Kitchen On close questions in which Trump is a party it definitely maters. It might not end up in the opinion, but it matters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051451) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 1:08 PM Author: Multi-colored organic girlfriend fortuitous meteor Where? Provide a specific example where it mattered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051503) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 12:51 PM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug It's just lib echo chamber cope. They repeat this on MSNBC ad nauseum. They think saying it will make them feel better or something. If Kamala had won every swing state but only gotten 49% of the vote or whatever libs would say it was the greatest victory in American history. They're just salty as hell. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051452) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 12:53 PM Author: Cruel-hearted Talented Kitchen No, Obama’s two victories and Biden’s victory would still be greater since they got over 50% of the vote, unlike Trump or the Kamala hypothetical you posted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051458) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 12:56 PM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug What kind of abject loser sits around ranking victories? The metric generally is if you were a two term President or not. And then you get ranked against the other Presidents based on your administration. I have never heard of someone sitting around and dick measuring the margin of victory. Trump was a two term President. Biden only one term and Kamala never. He's ranked ahead of those two out of the gate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051474) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 11:18 AM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug Trump will never be President now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051178) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 2:08 PM Author: pontificating indirect expression TI, OC, TCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49049024) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 11:00 AM Author: trip turquoise lay i live in a state with ranked choice voting and where decent third party/independent candidates occasionally run for office. its 180. fuck off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048511) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 11:03 AM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug So just vote for the third party then? Why do you deserve some kind of mulligan do over if the third party doesn't win? Why do you get to vote twice? Just vote once faggot. You don't deserve multiple shots on goal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048523) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 11:04 AM Author: maroon fighting filthpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49048527) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 2:46 AM Author: Insecure transparent theatre stock car wdym "why do you deserve?" as if theres some moral absolutisn to organizing political parties. why does any "deserve" a vote in the primaries, that wasn't alwats a thing either? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49050703) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 2:42 AM Author: Insecure transparent theatre stock car which is exactly what happened in nyc.
in deep blue monoparty states you will only ever get the establishment neoliberal without something like this. why are some people maf that a populist is gonna be mayor of ny over another fucking bloomberg type? |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 11:20 AM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug I literally don't care about the mayor of NYC I just hate ranked voting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051183) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 11:25 AM Author: Insecure transparent theatre stock car you've mentioned nyc multiple times itt and the thread is topical because of nyc.
"grrr ranked choice voting grrr nyc mayor"
"but it resulted in a non-establishment candidate winning an election in a monoparty city"
"idc about nyc (except for my other poasts itt mentioning nyc heehee)" |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 11:32 AM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug You're insane. I have zero thoughts about NYC. This shut really started to bother me when it happened in Alaska. You have no clue and you're just making shit up. I only talked about NYC because other people did. My main issue with Alaska was it felt like no one ever dropped out. Without a primary it seemed like the candidates were running against each other forever. The general election sucked because you had two Republicans and a Democrat and I the the Dem won narrowly because of ranked choice which is why LTM thinks he loves this plan. I think the R would have won if there had been a primary but the two Rs went scorched Earth and so some of the Rs put D as their second choice instead of going for the other guy. Now maybe the outcome would have been the same if there were only two candidates on the final ballot instead of three, we'll never know. But I would have much preferred that one of the Rs get eliminated in the primary that way the general election could have been one on one. I think the R candidate should have been given the runway to combat the D opponent solo rather than have to run against a D and another R. I just don't like the whole system because it creates too much intraparty fighting instead of settling business up front and focusing on one candidate and bringing people together. LTM think MAGA kooks would be done forever if there were ranked vote generals because all the fence sitters could vote for a moderate neocon and then D second. This is an absurd system and it sucks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051209) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 11:33 AM Author: Insecure transparent theatre stock car this you two minutes after creating the thread?
Date: June 25th, 2025 10:37 AM Author: The Goy World
The other thing brilliant about the NYC mayor race is that all the same characters are on the ballot again in November. So it's like what was the point? We got faggy ranked voting but technically no one was actually eliminated? So we get to rank vote them again? Liberals really do hate life and themselves.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2#49048445) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 11:35 AM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug What does that have to do with anything? Totally nonresponsive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051219) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 11:38 AM Author: Insecure transparent theatre stock car why don't you just try reading the first sentence of every poast in this chain
Date: June 26th, 2025 11:20 AM Author: The Goy World
I literally don't care about the mayor of NYC I just hate ranked voting
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2#49051183)
Date: June 26th, 2025 11:25 AM Author: massive ordnance penetrator (gunneratttt)
you've mentioned nyc multiple times itt and the thread is topical because of nyc.
Date: June 26th, 2025 11:32 AM Author: The Goy World
You're insane. I have zero thoughts about NYC.
Date: June 26th, 2025 11:33 AM Author: massive ordnance penetrator (gunneratttt)
this you two minutes after creating the thread? Date: June 25th, 2025 10:37 AM
Author: The Goy World
The other thing brilliant about the NYC mayor race |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 11:42 AM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug I don't get it. Anyway I hate ranked voting because of what happened in Alaska. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051234) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 2:13 PM Author: aggressive clear toilet seat whorehouse elections should only have one candidate. avoids all the fighting and nastiness, which ultimately hurts are country. countries that do that have it right imo. everyone can still vote, its still democratic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49049031) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 3:48 PM Author: Green boyish step-uncle's house factory reset button A round robin playoff is better than single elimination because you get a total ranking of competitors instead of letting a bad one slip through by the luck of the draw. So by your own admission ranked choice voting is better than plurality voting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49049309) |
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Date: June 25th, 2025 4:07 PM Author: sexy cowardly liquid oxygen antidepressant drug right that's why the final 4 teams in every sport each play each other once and are awarded points for winning and the team with the highest points total is crowned champion.
Like how do we really know that the Knicks were not the best team in the NBA? They didn't even get to play the Thunder and the Timberwolves.
Wow! You're so smart! |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 8:09 AM Author: big son of senegal its abusable right as in u dont give yer true rank preferences if u have some infos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49050874) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 9:22 AM Author: Lilac unholy pozpig cuckoldry cr it benefits people who vote tactically and dishonestly, as compared to credulous high-trust people who earnestly rank their preferences. not a good system! would work great if the electorate were entirely made up of this second group but well haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49050939) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:05 AM Author: sienna narrow-minded pervert immigrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49050997) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 11:07 AM Author: maize supple location It does a far better job of picking the candidate who reflects the positions of the median voter. It should be done without a primary. All the candidates in one race like Alaska. If we had it in congress you wouldn’t get all these nutter fringe reps in deep red and deep blue districts. They win a primary with like 500 total voters and cruise in the general election even if they’re not reflective of what the average voter in that district wants. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051158) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 11:16 AM Author: Lilac unholy pozpig cuckoldry It resulted in the most left-wing candidate winning literally 2 days ago. This is exactly the opposite of reality (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051174) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 11:21 AM Author: maize supple location Ranked choice didn’t figure at all. He won without it. And I said it should be implemented with all candidates in a general election. Primaries are the real problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051184) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 11:30 AM Author: sienna narrow-minded pervert immigrant the big brain counter to this is that avoiding what "The Average Voter" wants is actually A Good Thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051204) |
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Date: June 26th, 2025 1:23 PM Author: Dashing Puppy Mad Cow Disease the possibility of reducing nutjobs from each party winning their respective primaries has enormous appeal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743084&forum_id=2],#49051542) |
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