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Halfway through Birdman -- this is flame, right?
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:31 AM Author: shaky marvelous principal's office trump supporter Lol best picture? Really? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368347) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:38 AM Author: brilliant circlehead (philistine) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368361) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:43 AM Author: arousing stock car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368575) |
Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:33 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den i can't make up my mind on it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368350) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:07 AM Author: ruddy bat shit crazy locus (smarmy unmanly dork) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368435) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:09 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den :( why i never! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368444) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:22 AM Author: ruddy bat shit crazy locus ur personal whimpering vacillation on the topic aside, what do u think aristotle would think of birdman? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368493) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:29 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den what do you mean? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368519) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:32 AM Author: ruddy bat shit crazy locus if aristotle were resurrected and shown the movie birdman do you think he'd have any chill thoughts about it or would he just think it was shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368532) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:35 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den he would probably wonder why it was a good thing that edward norton had a huge dick, and why they allowed women actors on the stage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368544) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:36 AM Author: mind-boggling theater stage Doesn't let you choose how to feel, doesn't give you a moment to think. Just hands every single thing to you. Entertaining for sure, but the art/style is a bit heavy-handed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368356) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:41 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den i felt it wasn't quite up to dealing with its themes. for instance, at the end, they say he has this new "super-realistic" style, which obviously contrasts with his hallucinations and the flying. but we're not given much to help us make sense of that contrast. most of the characters were drawn a little thin, too, i thought. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368370) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:44 AM Author: mind-boggling theater stage Dialogue was also quite cheesy. I don't know. The more I talk about it, the less I like it. Your POV about character development is spot on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368380) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:47 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den at first it seemed like a nice metacommentary on film and theater which is right up my alley but i'm just not sure if it had any content. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368387) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:52 AM Author: hairless party of the first part place of business you mean the theater critic's headline? that was a hallucination too. there's no contrast to make sense of. also i can't believe anyone would call the dialogue in this movie cheesy. the part where he berates the critic? where his daughter and wife fucking trash his entire personality? the part where he fights ed norton and pretends to be good will hunting for 3 seconds? the subtle body language in his conversations with zack g were also gold. as a counterpoint, did you see boyhood? 100% of the dialogue in that was fucking shlock. "durrrr mason, you like taking pics huh? gee, you're pretty good at that." loFUCKINGl at "cheesy dialogue" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368397) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:53 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den i thought the argument with the critic was shit. i thought the scene with ed norton was good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368400) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:54 AM Author: hairless party of the first part place of business yeah i disagree. and even if you think it was shit, "cheesy" is far from the right adjective (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368401) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:51 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den idk. anyway you have given me a lot to think about itt, maybe i'll go over it again in my head. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368597) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:57 AM Author: mind-boggling theater stage I'm not drawing comparisons here. There are plenty of films nominated I have not seen. I didn't say the words always/never. On the whole, yes, I think the movie needed better dialogue, but here and there, we got good one-liners/moments. Also, take note that my critique is of a film that has been lionized above the rest, so I'm not saying it's a bad film. It was good/entertaining. I prefer styles where dialogue is not shoved in your face and there might be more subtlety or interpretation. Birdman leaves nothing to the imagination. It hands everything to you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368406) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:58 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den i agree with this too. you can't make your character analyzable simply in virtue of the fact that other characters loudly analyze him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368412) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:59 AM Author: hairless party of the first part place of business it doesn't matter if you're drawing a comparison. the word cheesy doesn't exist in a vaccuum. also lol at your last sentence. completely fucking wrong. there hasn't been a movie in the last decade that's spawned this much debate over the ending and the meaning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368415) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:01 AM Author: mind-boggling theater stage Who cares about debate? I'm talking about how the movie made me feel. Also the interpretation I am discussing has to do with the internal experiences of the characters and the relationships between them. The thing that carries the film is how those things play out. The ending, sure, was seductive for conversation and discussion, but that's only 10 minutes of the film. What I'm talking about are the elements that carried the other 110 minutes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368420) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:03 AM Author: hairless party of the first part place of business sorry i'm evidently not following any of your criticisms then. you say it hands everything to the viewer on a platter but that debate over the film's meaning/ending are irrelevant. you just didn't like how the movie made you feel. i can understand that and have no argument (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368428) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:09 AM Author: mind-boggling theater stage Perhaps I am just in a different camp than you regarding a film's meaning -- I agree that this film doesn't wrap it all into a neat bow is a point in its favor, but again, the overall style of how the film unraveled just didn't pull me in as all the art/cinematography/illusionistic aspects were intended to. Poh-tay-toh, poh-tah-toe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368446) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:13 AM Author: hairless party of the first part place of business fair enough. i mainly just took exception with the "cheesy" dialogue comment but i'll admit that's not personal animosity towards you so much as my contempt for boyhood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368460) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:17 AM Author: mind-boggling theater stage Boyhood's dialogue was pretty one dimensional but the overall film was a good image of the human experience through the lens of divorce/life cycle development. If it wins, it will be because it took so long to shoot, TBH. I liked the film, and again, some of its subtleties, but I wouldn't give its writing much love either.
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:02 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den lots of movies have debated endings. that's not a virtue, and it's not what she meant, anyway. what she meant, i think, is that the "message" of the film was made very plain and easily digestible - norton's "i pretend out here, i'm real on stage", the diatribes about keaton's character from his daughter and wife, birdman actually narrating keaton's anxieties, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368425) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:04 AM Author: hairless party of the first part place of business so what's your complaint then? the movie wasn't complex or subtle enough for you? it's a comedy. did you not realize that while you were watching it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368430) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:05 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den i didn't actually laugh very much, so...
where were the funny parts, in your mind? |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:09 AM Author: hairless party of the first part place of business tons of stuff. the light falling on the dude's head. the gravelly inner monologue. the taxi driver chasing him into the theater after he flew around manhattan. every zack g scene. every ed norton interaction with keaton or watts. birdman taking a shit in the hospital in full superhero regalia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368443) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:09 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den uh... well, okay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368447) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 2:53 PM Author: Transparent Death Wish you didn't laugh at all? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27369715) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:10 AM Author: mind-boggling theater stage I will say I laughed very hard at Zak G and the drama between the two female leads when they were making out. The underwear in public scene was also brilliant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368450) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:04 AM Author: Zombie-like mexican i do think the performances and the script were heavy handed at times but somehow it fit into the movie well, which is why i'm undecided on it.
but the ending does require imagination so i disagree with that part |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:14 AM Author: mind-boggling theater stage I really wasn't considering the ending. Sure, that's a toss-up and has caused debate, but I suppose the reason I forgot to consider that is because even in its mystery, I wasn't at all attached to it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368462) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:44 AM Author: arousing stock car lmao at hands every single thing to you. you obviously havent spent a second pondering the storyline. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368577) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 1:14 PM Author: passionate affirmative action macaca cr. A very good movie, but a horrible script (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27369112) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:52 AM Author: Zombie-like mexican I can't decide either. everything seemed a little ham handed but the ending makes me think my iq is too low to handle it. seems like he killed himself on stage to get a positive critic's review but then the hospital scene is confusing |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:56 AM Author: hairless party of the first part place of business hospital scene is a flashback hallucination. real-time ended when the movie cuts for the very first time. i can agree that it's a challenging movie , moreso than one could possibly expect based on the premise and setup, but the performances and cinematography alone are mesmerizing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368403) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:59 AM Author: Zombie-like mexican flashback from what and whos point of view? keaton would ahve been dead. tahts whats odd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368413) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:11 AM Author: Zombie-like mexican need an explanation here reygold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368453) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:18 AM Author: hairless party of the first part place of business i explained it in another thread. the movie's linear timeline breaks when he shoots himself on stage. we know this for sure because the movie cuts for the very first time. it's a flashback to a previous time in the movie when he's hallucinating his ideal hollywood ending (probably when he thinks he;s soaring above manhattan but is actually taking a smelly cab ride). we know this because dead people can't hallucinate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368478) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:27 AM Author: Zombie-like mexican alright i can buy this but i dont have any recollection of the movie cutting.
the flashback is a weird device to use for a dead character but whatever. its "artistic" i guess |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 9:59 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den i don't get the point of the cinematography. is it just virtuosic? how did it advance the film's meaning? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368414) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:01 AM Author: hairless party of the first part place of business it's surreal. it's beautiful and a nightmare simultaneously. it's also virtuosic too but i don't know how you can fault it for that. that's literally the only reason Gravity won best director last year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368423) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:03 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den are you talking about mulholland drive? that's what a "surreal, beautiful nightmare" looks like. this is a film with a shtick and a few momemts of magical realism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368429) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:07 AM Author: hairless party of the first part place of business i feel like you missed 80% of the movie. every single time keaton moves into a different part of the theater is more surreal than mulholland drive because it's impossibly unrealistic but the cinematography makes it so. for example a ton of times a character will take 3 steps from the ground floor and suddenly be on the roof. you didn't think keaton walking five blocks through time square to get 100 feet while in his underwear was surreal? claustrophobic? beautiful and nightmarish? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368438) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:12 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den i mean, it was a little weird, yes, but it was also petty. "i had a dream i was giving a presentation at school and i looked down and i was naked." you take a fourth-grader's experience of anxiety and combine it with the Family Guy insight that sometimes things get funny if you extend them for a lot longer than they ought to go on and you get that scene. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368456) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:16 AM Author: hairless party of the first part place of business well i wasn't suggesting that scene in particular was funny. i found it extremely haunting and maybe it was heavy-handed but it strongly encapsulated his entire existential crisis with perhaps the most remarkable set piece of the year imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368470) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:20 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den to me it's just a sign of the relatively unsophisticated and heavy-handedly-broadcast internal drama of the characters. and please note that there is nothing fundamentally uninteresting about the anxieties of nine-year-olds. but if that's what you want to write about, you should make your characters nine-year-olds. it also has that "comic romp!!!" feel of something completely improbable happening. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368484) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:22 AM Author: hairless party of the first part place of business well the characters are all thespians so they're essentially grown-up nine-year olds who crave attention. i feel like a lot of people who don't like the movie probably just don't care to meditate on the self-imposed first-world problems of hollywood megastars. that's a fair criticism as well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368495) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:30 AM Author: Appetizing half-breed chapel Yea "o but my acting legacy!" idgaf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368523) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 2:45 PM Author: Transparent Death Wish does every film have to be the passion of christ? what would pass your threshold of seriousness for subject matter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27369671) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 2:47 PM Author: Appetizing half-breed chapel Just don't treat trivial things like acting legacy like it is passion of the christ, as birdman does (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27369687) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 2:50 PM Author: Transparent Death Wish it's a black comedy... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27369703) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 2:57 PM Author: Appetizing half-breed chapel The creators clearly thought acting is massively important (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27369728) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:34 AM Author: navy razzmatazz newt den i actually generally find films about "finding your voice" and so on quite compelling. but here it was pretty empty too. all the character seemed to have to say was that he wanted to be loved. normally in a "finding your voice" narrative you JUXTAPOSE the desire for love/acceptance with a commitment to, say, artistic or intellectual integrity, and show how they conflict. but here there was no juxtaposition to be had, because the only art he could make was about wanting to be loved/accepted. but you also didn't have the sense that they found it interesting that he was a fundamentally empty person somehow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368538) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:12 AM Author: Aromatic beta sweet tailpipe clown welcome to the bourgeois latino filmmaker carnival (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368457) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 2:31 PM Author: Sapphire Diverse Stain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27369600) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:28 AM Author: Appetizing half-breed chapel biggest hollywood/acting community circlejerk shitfilm in some time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368514) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:30 AM Author: shaky marvelous principal's office trump supporter Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368525) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2015 12:07 AM Author: cracking chrome internal respiration (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27374003) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:37 AM Author: shaky marvelous principal's office trump supporter Ten mins left. This movie is awful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368551) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:38 AM Author: Appetizing half-breed chapel I walked out about an hour and half in so you are more patient man than I (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368554) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:45 AM Author: shaky marvelous principal's office trump supporter Should've turned it off halfway through. Not even going to engage the morons ITT trying to justify/explain this crap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368580) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 10:46 AM Author: arousing stock car xo = full of utter faggots (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27368585) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 2:32 PM Author: Sapphire Diverse Stain sorry man, but even i have changed my opinion on birdman. it wears its pretentious on its sleeve to much for my taste. its alright, but i liked about a couple dozen movies more than i did birdman this year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27369608) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 2:35 PM Author: Transparent Death Wish list them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27369624) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 2:40 PM Author: Sapphire Diverse Stain fuck taht lol... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27369636) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 2:42 PM Author: dun racy property voyeur Is this a live action version of the cartoon or what (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27369653) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2015 12:07 AM Author: shaky marvelous principal's office trump supporter Lol JFC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27373995) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2015 12:08 AM Author: arousing stock car sorry you have the attn span of a flea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#27374013) |
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Date: June 29th, 2025 1:05 AM Author: mildly autistic obsidian legend gay af (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2814842&forum_id=2],#49057439) |
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Date: July 24th, 2025 1:09 PM Author: fulano I rewatched this and really like it.
first, i didnt really notice how many scenes were one act - where the camera just rolled and followed the charcters through different rooms and keaton had to be a different person multiple times (himself, the stage, his alter ego, him going nuts as himself). all of that was pretty impressive.
then him flying was so clear to me as a lie with that big tell that the cab driver didnt get his fare.
the last scene i would have handled differently and let magical realism play out a bit in the viewer's mind. |