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Best exit option for burned out solo lawmo?
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Date: January 9th, 2023 3:55 PM Author: vibrant sick nowag Solo commercial lit attorney. Burned out. Definitely don't want to go back to a firm or in-house (even if it was an option).
Need to make at least $200k per year. Any options or am I fucked for life? |
Date: January 9th, 2023 3:56 PM Author: soggy twinkling uncleanness Sad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45764999) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 3:56 PM Author: balding domesticated national Sounds like you’ve kind of ruled everything out. Learn to code maybe? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765001) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:03 PM Author: vibrant sick nowag Ruled out law, yes. I want to get out completely.
Sick of arguing and being detail oriented and sitting alone in a room for hours reading documents. Coding seems like the same thing minus arguing, so I don't think it's for me.
I want to get out of the office and talk to people and be social again. Some kind of business development maybe. |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:08 PM Author: balding domesticated national Yeah those jerbs exist but the ones that pay $200K or more are generally not offered to burned out self-employed litigators grasping for a career change.
Remove the salary requirement and you might have something to work with here (that could be a path to $200K or better in idk 5 years?)
But if you won’t consider anything less, better fall back in love with litigating and fast. I meant you’ve ruled out everything that’s an actual possibility for you in my earlier post. |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:10 PM Author: vibrant sick nowag Most important part of being a solo is doing constant business development so it's not a completely unrelated skillset. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765098) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:12 PM Author: balding domesticated national I don’t disagree, but good luck convincing a decision maker hiring for a $200K+ jerb of that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765110) |
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Date: January 10th, 2023 1:16 AM Author: Umber principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45767512) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:01 PM Author: gold gaping address Suck dick, maybe?
At your age, you probably won't be able to demand depending on where you live.
There is nothing else you can do with your age & skillset that commands $200k a year.
Either lower your expectations or learn to deepthroat. |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:02 PM Author: Marvelous Box Office Goal In Life Why can't you just cut your caseload to whatever you find manageable? How did you get the clients and how much do you bill them at? |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:03 PM Author: curious sinister toaster lol need to make 200k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765041) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:04 PM Author: vibrant sick nowag I'm not sure how anyone with a family lives on less, to be honest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765047) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:04 PM Author: translucent nighttime market what figure wouldn't make you lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765049) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:10 PM Author: curious sinister toaster not sure, but lol at being a middle aged person transferring zero skills or experience into a 200k+ job that is not SALES
think like the boss. "Hey let me give you 250,000 guaranteed a year, out of our profits, to do....." WHAT? How are you going to earn him $350k+ that year |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:16 PM Author: vibrant sick nowag I'm not opposed to sales at all.
How hard is it to break into a decent PETERMAN APPROVED sales job, though? |
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Date: January 10th, 2023 1:57 AM Author: Henna pocket flask pit what clique are you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45767551) |
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Date: January 11th, 2023 10:21 AM Author: vibrant sick nowag Scumbag TBH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45773259) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:07 PM Author: stirring roommate I'm basically in the same boat. My plan is either to make enough money to someday stop working, or collect on that disability or death insurance policy. I don't see how there's any other options here.
It's not all that depressing, my firm is doing well, realistically I can keep this up for about another 15 or so years that should probably do it. It is an awful grind though and I wish I didn't have to do it |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:12 PM Author: vibrant sick nowag Yup (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765105) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:45 PM Author: sienna multi-colored trailer park my phone rings 15 to 25 times a day with the self-inflicted problems and drama of absolute proles (even rich ones). Even if its lucrative I do not think I can keep this up for 15-20 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765313) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 5:05 PM Author: curious sinister toaster feel like i wrote your post.
it bewilders me that, somehow, I ended up with the job of being the go-to guy for retard proles in absolute hair-on-fire crises.
Thats the entirety of my job. Shit exploding in your life and youre manic about it? Call Im Done Here!
How on earth did this happen |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 6:03 PM Author: stirring roommate I don't know how I got stuck with this, all I know is that the only way out is to be successful and win your way out. CSLG does the same thing we do and you don't hear him complaining. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765613) |
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Date: January 10th, 2023 1:47 AM Author: Umber principal's office That's because he has a team of paralegals that handle every aspect of the case beyond intake (more specifically: signing the client) & some negotiations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45767538) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 6:05 PM Author: vibrant sick nowag You are both describing my life, too.
Over the holidays I had a difficult former client (small business) get a demand letter for some stupid shit they did and they just told the plaintiff's attorney to "send it to quotemo, he's my attorney" even though I'm not and have no interest in taking this case. Of course the plaintiff's attorney started hounding me while I wasted time reminding the client that I'm not their attorney for this. |
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Date: January 10th, 2023 1:49 AM Author: Umber principal's office Literally just had this happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45767540) |
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Date: January 10th, 2023 1:45 AM Author: Umber principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45767536) |
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Date: January 10th, 2023 1:18 AM Author: Umber principal's office Mine rings at least twice that. There are times I have to literally turn it off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45767514) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:09 PM Author: Silver Headpube You have to wonder who would want to pay a burned out former lawyer $200k to not practice law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765077) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:11 PM Author: vibrant sick nowag $200k is not that much any more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765102) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:23 PM Author: Silver Headpube It's like 250% of the median HHI. That's a ton. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765201) |
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Date: January 10th, 2023 12:23 AM Author: Exciting set yarmulke You can easily get 200k total comp in tech doing some jdpreferred bs or becoming a project manager. It's all bad tho. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45767405) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:12 PM Author: flatulent fortuitous meteor home age / nw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765109) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:31 PM Author: Electric Lodge Love Of Her Life I thought becoming a solo was the best decision pumos had ever made, like a manna from heaven? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765245) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:33 PM Author: vibrant sick nowag It is 868450485 compared to practicing law in a firm or in-house. I just want to do something else with my life now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765252) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:34 PM Author: Dashing light round eye Work the front desk at a hotel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765254) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:35 PM Author: vibrant sick nowag My kid likes to watch the animated Curious George TV show and it really makes me want to be a doorman at a luxury building, not flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765260) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:36 PM Author: Electric Lodge Love Of Her Life I think you have a good thing going and should probably appreciate it. Why not work a little less and be social outside of work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765263) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:39 PM Author: vibrant sick nowag You're probably right. It's just depressing to think I've wasted years and years of my life doing a job that has been so unsatisfying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765278) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:40 PM Author: Dashing light round eye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765285) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:42 PM Author: Electric Lodge Love Of Her Life All jobs suck. Very few exceptions. I think it's better to live our UMC life with a shit job than to be poor.
What you really ought to do instead of scrambling for some entry level sales job is to invest in a business and find people to run it. |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:41 PM Author: Provocative Pale Striped Hyena weird, in biglaw right now and have the itch to go solo, but I guess the grass is not really greener (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765287) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:43 PM Author: Dashing light round eye It's all $hit :)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765303) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:44 PM Author: underhanded chad It's a lot greener compared to biglaw, but it's still law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765311) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 4:53 PM Author: Provocative Pale Striped Hyena yeah I think the same thing will happen to me even if I become a successful solo, ill just get bored of lawshit anyways (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45765341) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 5:12 PM Author: Diverse Orange Plaza Rigpig I don't see how solo or small firm life is better unless you are a CSLG type who is literally making millions.
With or without a boss you have the stress of litigation and demands of servicing clients. |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 8:57 PM Author: underhanded chad -No boss
-No fake emergencies created by your own team
-Ability to decline cases you know will be more stress than they're worth
-You don't have to litigate. I was a litmo and got out of it. Last year I billed ~1000 hours drafting contracts and reviewing the kind of stuff I've reviewed hundreds of times before and took home $350k after expenses. Beats the shit out of being at a firm. |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 9:06 PM Author: Provocative Pale Striped Hyena So you switched to tranny stuff? How’d you learn the area after doing lit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45766364) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 9:20 PM Author: underhanded chad Yeah. Westlaw's Practical Law and Lexis Practical Guidance or whatever it's called are very helpful. For stuff I didn't think I could competently figure out at first, I hired contract attorneys and eventually learned how to do what they did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45766453) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 9:21 PM Author: Provocative Pale Striped Hyena How’d you get clients? How much do u pay for practical law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45766464) |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 9:59 PM Author: underhanded chad I got pretty good at developing a social media presence and getting speaking engagements. All my clients come through that.
I think Practical law is like $350/mo for solos. |
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Date: January 9th, 2023 10:07 PM Author: Trip bawdyhouse tattoo can you explain more. that seems nuts that you went from litigation to a contracts drafting expert as a solo with 'social media presence.' like explain more details of how this works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45766740) |
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Date: January 10th, 2023 12:10 AM Author: underhanded chad Left biglaw with ultimate goal of getting out of lit eventually.
Year 1: Still doing lit - a few very small referrals from a friend to get me started, grinding out a year of litigating at ~$250/hr rate. Start writing articles about the area of compliance/consulting/tranny stuff I want to focus on. Get invited to speak at a conference related to that area. Start social media pages. Don't make much money.
Year 2: Still about 80% lit, one solid referral from old firm kept me afloat, but they were psychotic to work for. Rate up to $300. Have a few transactional clients that I use a contract attorney to do all the heavy lifting for. Learning the ropes so to speak. Focus on posting daily social media content related to that practice area. Get lucky that stuff gets reshared by a few big accounts. Net $320k.
Year 3: Maybe about 50% lit now. I understand how to do the "greatest hits" contracts in my practice area that I see over and over again. Use contract attorneys for stuff I don't feel like I can competently figure out. Get better at figuring out what social content gets more reach and engagement. Net $415k thanks to a few lit cases going the right way.
Year 4: Wrap up final lit case. Social/online presence continues to grow and keeps the pipeline full. Rate at $500. Landed some big clients that keep me busy every month. Refer everything lit-related out. Net $350k.
This year: Off to a good start, made $15k so far since Jan 1. |
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Date: January 10th, 2023 3:38 PM Author: Trip bawdyhouse tattoo Thats 180 and inspiring , thanks for the response. I am doing something very similar as I just left biglaw as a litigator too and getting into an area now as a solo that i previously had little interaction with
would love to know for the social media stuff if you have any resources that you found really great in helping you out |
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pull a Garry Hoy. |
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Date: January 10th, 2023 9:57 PM Author: Ruddy mischievous sneaky criminal wrinkle Why the fuck don't solos hire people and implement systems so they can be the business owner and have other grunts deal with the hair-on-fire clients? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45771924) |
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Date: January 11th, 2023 10:21 AM Author: vibrant sick nowag I tried this and get emails from my clients like "I appreciate that you hired an associate but the work product isn't at the same level and we need you to be the one who works with us."
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Date: January 11th, 2023 11:08 AM Author: Provocative Pale Striped Hyena u need to get into an area with less demadning/ more prole clients (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45773519) |
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Date: January 11th, 2023 12:41 PM Author: vibrant sick nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267792&forum_id=2],#45773993) |