FSU Crim Prof: Rumors SWIRLING online that Donna has been arrested
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Date: November 13th, 2023 9:41 PM Author: erotic menage
How pissed is TSINAH he decided to go with “Law King” as opposed to the “Courtroom Chef”
https://instagram.com/courtroomchef
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Date: November 13th, 2023 10:21 PM Author: ocher deranged puppy pit
allegedly booked 13 minutes ago
allegedly they were at the airport, going to Israel
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Date: November 14th, 2023 7:33 AM Author: balding filthpig
I learned Grand Jury meets weds in tally.
I wonder if her attempt to flee accelerated this. All eyes on xo lurker Wendi…..
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Date: November 14th, 2023 7:47 AM Author: balding filthpig
lol, just be american jews escaping justice in Vietnam.
I still believe they planned to scoop Donna and Wendi simultaneously, but this mad flight affected their timeline.
Wendi's having a rough and rainy day today in Miami
also, what idiot facing indictment buys a one-way ticket? At least make round trip plans to somewhere the fuzz believes they can track you, like the Bahamas, and then launch from there.
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Date: November 14th, 2023 12:39 PM Author: coral razzmatazz resort
Explain.
'I believe I am going to be charged with a crime. I am innocent of that crime, but I don't want the risk of being jailed, so I am going to leave the jurisdiction to avoid being apprehended.'
State: "Ah that's evidence you are guilty of the underlying act!"
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Date: November 14th, 2023 12:46 PM Author: sooty messiness
the whole criminal system is about jurors making inferences about peoples' state of mind.
this is but one example of this.
the state can argue whatever they want. the defendant is welcome to testify or not testify and explain himself. and the jury gets to decide if this does tend to prove guilt.
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Date: November 14th, 2023 10:29 AM Author: balding filthpig
Curious about the nuts and bolts of law enforcement here
Tally State Attorney said he consulted with LE about procedures in extraditing from Nam (or Dubai which was the layover). They advised its arduous so he ordered arrest.
Would like to know the steps. How long ago was the ticket purchased? Why did they wait a week after Charlie's conviction? Smart move would be to flee same day, amid the disorganization. Did they purchase with credit card? Are all financial transactions of heretofore unindicted co-conspirators tracked? How prompt is the notification? Could they have bought and escaped if same day?
Or was there a passport flag put in place ages ago? Probably, but SA comment indicates he had enough time to make considerations, consult LE, make a decision... suggesting he knew for a time.
Wonder how many criminals actually succeed at buying ticket, boarding flight, clearing foreign customs, and disappearing
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Date: November 14th, 2023 11:03 AM Author: exhilarant library gaping
cr qs.
purely as a hypothetical matter suppose you believe LE is itching to arrest you and you decide to leave for a country where extradition will be difficult or impossible for LE.
what do you do if you assume they are tracking your bank and credit card usage? is there a way to get out of the US on the sly? and can they then just freeze your money?
i'd appreciate anyone's informed speculation that.
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Date: November 14th, 2023 12:13 PM Author: ocher deranged puppy pit
A one way ticket to Vietnam. I mean how obvious can you be.
Wonder how much time Wendi has as a free woman.
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Date: November 14th, 2023 12:15 PM Author: cracking circlehead
good color in this story and the warrant
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2023/11/14/arrest-records-donna-adelson-talked-suicide-fleeing-country-jail-calls-with-son-charlie-dan-markel/71579446007/
Jail calls from after Charles Adelson’s guily verdict include multiple calls in which Donna Sue Adelson is telling Charles Adelson that she is getting things in order, creating trusts, and making sure her grandchildren are taken care of. Donna discusses plans for a suicide, but also discusses plans to flee to a non-extradition country. Donna Sue Adelson has considerable financial resources to accomplish this.
On November 7, 2023, Donna and Harvey Adelson booked flights to Vietnam with a stop in Dubai. The flight, EK0214 departs Miami, Fl. on November 13, 2023 at 8:10 p.m. to Dubai. Flight EK0392 departs Dubai on November 15, 2023 at 9:35a.m. and lands in Saigon at 7:35 pm.
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Date: November 14th, 2023 12:22 PM Author: balding filthpig
holy shit.
*watches as your son gets convicted of murder, almost entirely on evidence collected from recorded phone calls, which also implicate you*
*sit through entire trial listening to hours of phone calls*
*talk to your son on jail call, which commences with warning THIS CALL IS RECORDED*
"So son... I think I will flee the country."
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Date: November 14th, 2023 1:07 PM Author: Infuriating mauve dysfunction
Wendi allegedly consulted an out of state attorney that's a Kastigar specialist. Apparently she is gearing up for derivative use immunity. The state can't follow any leads from her testimony. She's nearly bulletproof.
Edit: brilliant move by Wendi to spill her guts in Charlie's trial and gain so much immunity for it. She did it all to handcuff the state.
Legal scholars, are there any limitations on Kastigar? Can the state show they found out the information before her testimony, or if she says it is she automatically immune?
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Date: November 14th, 2023 1:26 PM Author: balding filthpig
Whose burden? I’m unfamiliar with the law in detail but it’s *derivative*, meaning the prohibited evidkeve must be directly derived from something she said. It’s not simply she said it, so it’s unusable.
Obv example is a witness saying where the gun was thrown and then the gun is found and DNA tested.
State had their theory and sufficient evidence to get Rivera’s plea.
Then with Riveras testimony they convicted Garcia and Katie, during which trials Wendi was hostile and contributed nothing to aid the state.
Then with Katie’s testimony they convicted Charlie, during which trial Wendi contributed nothing of merit.
I think it would be hard for her to argue that anything the state uses in her prosecution came from her immunized testimony.
Furthermore, I believe they can prove she perjured herself, which probably violates the agreement and Renders immunity null. Examples of perjury - never told Lacasse certain things, never turned down Dans street day or murder, etc
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Date: November 14th, 2023 2:08 PM Author: balding filthpig
Best thing she’s got going is that Charlie and Donna repeatedly say on wires, “Wendi’s a fucking fool, don’t tell her anything, shes lucky and doesn’t know why”. And then she pukes when she learns the truth after the murder.
Worst facts against her: checks to see if Danny will be in town days of murder, seems to frame Lacasse, drives by, constantly lies about dumb shit
I think she has reasonable doubt but woukd still like to see her indicted
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Date: November 14th, 2023 1:57 PM Author: balding filthpig
She told Charlie she had squared away trusts for grandkids. I think they’ve divested most of their money and were going to live on Vietnamese dongs.
Imagine taking $$$ back from grandkids to spend on a losing trial over killing their dad? Lol
She will never see a jury. She’s done here and knows it
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:52 PM Author: cracking circlehead
More crazy details.
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2023/11/21/dan-markel-case-donna-adelson-appears-in-leon-county-courthouse/71657516007/
On the day of Donna Adelson's arrest, one of Charlie Adelson's friends contacted the State Attorney's Office in Tallahassee to tell them about a conversation they had with Donna and Harvey Adelson the night before, court records show.
The couple called the friend to discuss the few travel plans they had, and to ask for advice about flights and places to stay. Harvey Adelson told them not to mention any of their plans to their son.
"This family friend has known the Adelsons for over 10 years and has never had longer than a five-minute conversation with Donna or Harvey," records say. "They found the contact very strange."
When Donna Adelson was arrested, FBI Agent Pat Sanford — who has been a key witness for the state — confiscated her phone.
"Donna attempted to pull away and prevent him from grabbing it," a search warrant affidavit states. "Donna said she was told not to give her phone to law enforcement."
Leon Circuit Judge Stephen Everett, who presided over Charlie Adelson's trial, signed a search warrant allowing investigators to search her phone for anything after June 2012 to now.
"The data being sought is any that would further the investigation into the communications and actions of Donna Adelson during the crime and of any events related to this incident before the crime occurred," records say.
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