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Guy I went to HS with just had a kid graduate Ranger school. How impressive?

On a scale of 1 out of 10, how difficult is that assuming Na...
racy den trump supporter
  04/29/24
So he's going to be a park ranger or something? Doesn't soun...
Swollen hospital
  04/29/24
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Grizzly Frozen Striped Hyena Principal's Office
  04/29/24
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Bateful emerald cumskin
  04/30/24
SOCOM publishes attrition rates https://imgur.com/a/NgpCVnL
Grizzly Frozen Striped Hyena Principal's Office
  04/29/24
Is that counted from when the person enlisted, or when they'...
medicated address sneaky criminal
  04/29/24
Kill yourself
Grizzly Frozen Striped Hyena Principal's Office
  04/29/24
I won't. You likely will.
medicated address sneaky criminal
  04/29/24
Lol I'm not trans, not singaporean, not a pedophile, I feel ...
Grizzly Frozen Striped Hyena Principal's Office
  04/29/24
Opposition to me is probably correlated with a genetic risk ...
medicated address sneaky criminal
  04/29/24
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Burgundy Federal Mad Cow Disease Wrinkle
  04/30/24
Any family members committed suicide lately?
medicated address sneaky criminal
  04/30/24
I thought BUD/S was like 90%
impertinent digit ratio
  04/29/24
They wash ppl out in the runup to it as well
Grizzly Frozen Striped Hyena Principal's Office
  04/29/24
So, can you rate it? You seem like you have an opinion.
racy den trump supporter
  04/29/24
I have no idea how the different flavors of zogfantry stack ...
Grizzly Frozen Striped Hyena Principal's Office
  04/29/24
translate to attorney, please
stimulating site electric furnace
  04/29/24
RASP for 75th Rangers? Or Ranger School. Totally diff...
topaz indian lodge
  04/29/24
I'm asking about Ranger School. The one where you get the ta...
racy den trump supporter
  04/29/24
Still impressive, but not as prestigious.
topaz indian lodge
  04/29/24
Are we talking an 8 out of 10?
racy den trump supporter
  04/29/24
It’s like a 5 the hardest part is reading a map
fragrant demanding famous landscape painting idea he suggested
  04/29/24
No, the hardest part is losing 30lb and being hungry the ent...
Burgundy Federal Mad Cow Disease Wrinkle
  04/29/24
That and starving for 2 months and living off of 3hrs of sle...
Light Trip Theater Juggernaut
  04/30/24
Officer or enlisted? How old?
topaz indian lodge
  04/29/24
The Scroll has more lay prestige, since you’re actuall...
Vibrant mentally impaired home
  04/29/24
Exactly! Scroll vs. Tab, fucker
Light Trip Theater Juggernaut
  04/30/24
Lmao nigger how fuckin old are you
fragrant demanding famous landscape painting idea he suggested
  04/29/24
42. HOW FUCKING DARE YOU!
racy den trump supporter
  04/29/24
wtf why does that stupid faggot have kids
fragrant demanding famous landscape painting idea he suggested
  04/29/24
CR anyone who has kids before 40 has poor executive function...
Grizzly Frozen Striped Hyena Principal's Office
  04/29/24
He had the kid at 24. That's young, but not ridiculously you...
saffron market
  04/29/24
Its ridiculously young
fragrant demanding famous landscape painting idea he suggested
  04/29/24
You’re a stupid nigger
fragrant demanding famous landscape painting idea he suggested
  04/29/24
Very prestigious to make $23K.
razzle canary elastic band
  04/29/24
I just checked and base pay for an E-3 is $28,530. That come...
saffron market
  04/29/24
That's why they all get married. BAH + BAS for an E3 with de...
medicated address sneaky criminal
  04/29/24
What’s the kid’s rank and MOS? If he is an i...
Vibrant mentally impaired home
  04/29/24
what's the captivity portion of sere like - do you get shove...
Domesticated Weed Whacker Theater Stage
  04/29/24
I never went through SERE C but my IBOLC friends who went th...
Vibrant mentally impaired home
  04/29/24
I think it's like that box where you shove your dick in it a...
Aggressive station stock car
  04/29/24
lol @ "Chick inside" Is that what they told you...
Light Trip Theater Juggernaut
  04/30/24
...
So we looked at the data
  08/26/25
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Burgundy Federal Mad Cow Disease Wrinkle
  04/29/24
lol , nigga no. When was Airborne school ever considered ...
Light Trip Theater Juggernaut
  04/30/24
4-5/10 where BUD/S is 8 or 9/10 and AFSOC pipeline with dive...
Burgundy Federal Mad Cow Disease Wrinkle
  04/30/24
LOL at Air Force special forces being more prestigious than ...
racy den trump supporter
  04/30/24
In the services, outside of JSOC units, Air Force Pararescue...
Vibrant mentally impaired home
  04/30/24
No. No one thinks PJs > SEALS. Not in terms of training o...
racy den trump supporter
  04/30/24
Training: yes. Fighting force: no.
Vibrant mentally impaired home
  04/30/24
I wasn't comparing prestige, I was comparing pipeline diffic...
Burgundy Federal Mad Cow Disease Wrinkle
  05/01/24
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Vibrant mentally impaired home
  04/30/24
Colleague has a son in Ranger school at Ft. Benning/Moore. H...
azure gas station newt
  04/30/24
He won't have to stay if he fails (although there are an abu...
Burgundy Federal Mad Cow Disease Wrinkle
  04/30/24
Ranger school has 3 phases (though the first phase is actual...
Vibrant mentally impaired home
  04/30/24
Jesus. No platoon leader slot if you don't get through Rang...
Titillating Abusive Faggotry Stead
  04/30/24
You'll become a Staff Bitch until you get DA no-selected twi...
Light Trip Theater Juggernaut
  04/30/24
Are there really captains who hang around for 10+ years and ...
Titillating Abusive Faggotry Stead
  04/30/24
Don't know if it's been watered down yet to accommodate wome...
mildly autistic toaster
  04/30/24
Not. Good. Not good at all. It means he failed at life if...
Thriller puce kitchen liquid oxygen
  04/30/24
180 He will regale you with cougar relocation and bear resc...
dashing rambunctious school cafeteria
  04/30/24


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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:03 PM
Author: racy den trump supporter

On a scale of 1 out of 10, how difficult is that assuming Navy Seal graduation is a 10 and Air Force basic training is a 1.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47619990)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:09 PM
Author: Swollen hospital

So he's going to be a park ranger or something? Doesn't sound that difficult

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620005)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:10 PM
Author: Grizzly Frozen Striped Hyena Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620007)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 8:11 AM
Author: Bateful emerald cumskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620763)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:12 PM
Author: Grizzly Frozen Striped Hyena Principal's Office

SOCOM publishes attrition rates https://imgur.com/a/NgpCVnL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620014)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:13 PM
Author: medicated address sneaky criminal

Is that counted from when the person enlisted, or when they've graduated Ranger school?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620017)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:14 PM
Author: Grizzly Frozen Striped Hyena Principal's Office

Kill yourself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620023)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:14 PM
Author: medicated address sneaky criminal

I won't. You likely will.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620025)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:20 PM
Author: Grizzly Frozen Striped Hyena Principal's Office

Lol I'm not trans, not singaporean, not a pedophile, I feel good about my chances

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620047)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:22 PM
Author: medicated address sneaky criminal

Opposition to me is probably correlated with a genetic risk factor for suicide. Explains, e.g., ES tp's brother.

On the other hand, I've never had a suicidal/depressive tendency in my family.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620056)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 12:07 AM
Author: Burgundy Federal Mad Cow Disease Wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620469)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 1:56 AM
Author: medicated address sneaky criminal

Any family members committed suicide lately?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620591)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:15 PM
Author: impertinent digit ratio

I thought BUD/S was like 90%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620030)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:16 PM
Author: Grizzly Frozen Striped Hyena Principal's Office

They wash ppl out in the runup to it as well

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620032)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:22 PM
Author: racy den trump supporter

So, can you rate it? You seem like you have an opinion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620053)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:26 PM
Author: Grizzly Frozen Striped Hyena Principal's Office

I have no idea how the different flavors of zogfantry stack up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620069)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:47 PM
Author: stimulating site electric furnace

translate to attorney, please

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620137)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:22 PM
Author: topaz indian lodge

RASP for 75th Rangers?

Or Ranger School.

Totally different things.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620054)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:23 PM
Author: racy den trump supporter

I'm asking about Ranger School. The one where you get the tab, but are not necessarily in the unit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620057)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:24 PM
Author: topaz indian lodge

Still impressive, but not as prestigious.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620061)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:25 PM
Author: racy den trump supporter

Are we talking an 8 out of 10?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620065)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:27 PM
Author: fragrant demanding famous landscape painting idea he suggested

It’s like a 5 the hardest part is reading a map

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620072)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 11:58 PM
Author: Burgundy Federal Mad Cow Disease Wrinkle

No, the hardest part is losing 30lb and being hungry the entire time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620449)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 10:17 PM
Author: Light Trip Theater Juggernaut

That and starving for 2 months and living off of 3hrs of sleep

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47623418)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:27 PM
Author: topaz indian lodge

Officer or enlisted?

How old?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620074)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 11:15 PM
Author: Vibrant mentally impaired home

The Scroll has more lay prestige, since you’re actually part of a high-speed unit, but the tab was always considered the harder one to get. 75th Ranger Regiment requires the tab once you become an NCO, so Ranger School was filled with Infantry butter bars and E4 regiment grunts. The lower enlisted were graded by a less harsh rubric, and were given lower level leadership roles, than NCOs and officers. Even with the easier grading, these guys (who had all passed RASP 1) still only had a ~30% graduation rate, which was consistent with the rest of the class.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620376)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 10:16 PM
Author: Light Trip Theater Juggernaut

Exactly!

Scroll vs. Tab, fucker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47623414)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:24 PM
Author: fragrant demanding famous landscape painting idea he suggested

Lmao nigger how fuckin old are you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620060)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:26 PM
Author: racy den trump supporter

42. HOW FUCKING DARE YOU!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620068)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:26 PM
Author: fragrant demanding famous landscape painting idea he suggested

wtf why does that stupid faggot have kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620071)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:27 PM
Author: Grizzly Frozen Striped Hyena Principal's Office

CR anyone who has kids before 40 has poor executive function and is probably a prole

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620073)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:31 PM
Author: saffron market

He had the kid at 24. That's young, but not ridiculously young.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620085)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:34 PM
Author: fragrant demanding famous landscape painting idea he suggested

Its ridiculously young

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620089)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:31 PM
Author: fragrant demanding famous landscape painting idea he suggested

You’re a stupid nigger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620086)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:30 PM
Author: razzle canary elastic band

Very prestigious to make $23K.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620083)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:34 PM
Author: saffron market

I just checked and base pay for an E-3 is $28,530. That comes with housing and food, but JFC is that low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620090)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 9:45 PM
Author: medicated address sneaky criminal

That's why they all get married. BAH + BAS for an E3 with dependents in the expensive parts of CA is $56,355, tax free.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620128)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 11:09 PM
Author: Vibrant mentally impaired home

What’s the kid’s rank and MOS?

If he is an infantry officer, I would say this is just expected; it’s prestigious, but it’s basically required if he wants his career to go anywhere. If he is enlisted, particularly if he isn’t in 75th Ranger Refiment, I would say it’s pretty prestigious and demonstrates considerable resilience and discipline on his part.

Sadly, most army (and I assume other branch) schools suffer from prestige decay as time goes on. The Army needs a gut-check school to differentiate the truly exceptional from the mediocre and below. Originally, it was Airborne school, but as Airborne School became a requirement and officers/NCOs were rewarded for putting Soldiers through it, it became a vacation school and lost its prestige. Ranger School was the successor to Airborne School, but it is suffering from the same illness. When I went through it, it was male only, with a certain level of experience required. I went to a Ranger School graduation a few years ago and they were graduating women and cadets, so I’m guessing the rigor has fallen off pretty significantly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620365)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 11:14 PM
Author: Domesticated Weed Whacker Theater Stage

what's the captivity portion of sere like - do you get shoved in a box, waterboarded, slapped around, etc?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620375)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 11:18 PM
Author: Vibrant mentally impaired home

I never went through SERE C but my IBOLC friends who went the SF route all said it was pretty weak. They do some stress positions, but they aren’t breaking fingers or choking you unconscious anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620384)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 11:22 PM
Author: Aggressive station stock car

I think it's like that box where you shove your dick in it and there's a chick inside who strokes/sucks you off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620389)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 10:21 PM
Author: Light Trip Theater Juggernaut

lol @ "Chick inside"

Is that what they told you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47623428)



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Date: August 26th, 2025 12:42 PM
Author: So we looked at the data



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#49213662)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 11:58 PM
Author: Burgundy Federal Mad Cow Disease Wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620452)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 10:20 PM
Author: Light Trip Theater Juggernaut

lol , nigga no.

When was Airborne school ever considered PRESTIGIOUS?

You spend 2 weeks learning how to jump from a perfectly working airplane 5 times and try not to roll your ankle when you land.

Ranger School is considerably more difficult than Airborne. Compare the number of Soldiers you see walking around with an Airborne tab vs. a Ranger tab.

Shit, getting your EIB is more difficult than Airborne.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47623427)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 12:00 AM
Author: Burgundy Federal Mad Cow Disease Wrinkle

4-5/10 where BUD/S is 8 or 9/10 and AFSOC pipeline with dive school is 10

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620456)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 5:16 PM
Author: racy den trump supporter

LOL at Air Force special forces being more prestigious than a SEAL.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47622391)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 7:09 PM
Author: Vibrant mentally impaired home

In the services, outside of JSOC units, Air Force Pararescue is well established as the most prestigious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47622792)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 7:16 PM
Author: racy den trump supporter

No. No one thinks PJs > SEALS. Not in terms of training or as a fighting force.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47622819)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 7:20 PM
Author: Vibrant mentally impaired home

Training: yes. Fighting force: no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47622837)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 1:01 AM
Author: Burgundy Federal Mad Cow Disease Wrinkle

I wasn't comparing prestige, I was comparing pipeline difficulty. AFSOC with dive school is probably the most physically grueling training in the military.

Furthermore, lay prestige favors the SEAL but almost every SOF dude would pick the CCT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47623809)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 9:53 PM
Author: Vibrant mentally impaired home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47623373)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 6:12 AM
Author: azure gas station newt

Colleague has a son in Ranger school at Ft. Benning/Moore. He's a newly commissioned infantry officer. My understanding is that he will have to stay in Ranger school until he qualifies. Already has his unit assignment etc. If he doesn't complete the requirements within 6-9 months, I think he'll be reassigned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620661)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 8:07 AM
Author: Burgundy Federal Mad Cow Disease Wrinkle

He won't have to stay if he fails (although there are an abundance of recycle points if he fails any single stage, which will prolong his experience there quite a lot). He'll go to his unit, but if he wants to progress his career, he'll need to go back and get a tab.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47620746)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 7:19 PM
Author: Vibrant mentally impaired home

Ranger school has 3 phases (though the first phase is actually 2 phases): 1) Benning phase (which has RAP week and Patrols), 2: Mountain phase, and 3) Florida/Swamp phase.

Each phase is separately graded and you have to pass a phase to get to the next phase. You can recycle any phase (except RAP week) twice: once for failing leadership and once for failing peer evals. If you fail any phase for the same thing twice, you get either booted out of the course or given the chance to recycle to day 1.

If he fails the course, chances are he won’t be reassigned, but he will be second in line for a PL role if there is another guy there with a tab. Most infantry officers who don’t get a tab as a LT will go back as a captain around career course or switch to a new branch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47622834)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 8:38 PM
Author: Titillating Abusive Faggotry Stead

Jesus. No platoon leader slot if you don't get through Ranger School? Stuck as a desk monkey for a few years and then spat out of the Army?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47623176)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 10:23 PM
Author: Light Trip Theater Juggernaut

You'll become a Staff Bitch until you get DA no-selected twice for Major and are shown the door.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47623432)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 11:20 PM
Author: Titillating Abusive Faggotry Stead

Are there really captains who hang around for 10+ years and never even got to be a PL?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47623590)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 3:15 PM
Author: mildly autistic toaster

Don't know if it's been watered down yet to accommodate women and faggots but 20 years ago or so I knew plenty of in-shape people who dropped out of Ranger School. I'd say 8.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47621944)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 7:14 PM
Author: Thriller puce kitchen liquid oxygen

Not. Good. Not good at all. It means he failed at life if his kid had to reach for THAT escape hatch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47622802)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 7:20 PM
Author: dashing rambunctious school cafeteria

180

He will regale you with cougar relocation and bear rescue stories at your next event. Workin outside getting fresh air is worth the middling pay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5522905&forum_id=2],#47622835)