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Lindsay Clancy case is so polarizing bc both sides require u to totally ignore t
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Date: September 4th, 2026 7:59 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) he opposing argument. The Matt Walsh steel man is that she killed the kids end of story burn the witch, ignore 100% of the defense case. Conversely NGRI means she was 1000% nuts beyond a reasonable doubt, had absolutely no idea what was going on, and was basically abducted by aliens. Now under Mass law obviously the tie goes to the defendant, hence 11-1. But we don't get any middle ground here. Hence why so many people see it as just one way or the other. There was absolutely nothing she could have done to stop herself from killing the kids? It's a reach. But also Matt Walsh is ignoring the mitigating factors to a point where his views lose credibility, even if you think she's not completely innocent. You'll never get 12 people to convict on Murder 1. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116614) |
Date: September 4th, 2026 8:01 PM Author: MISO HORNY Both sides of the political spectrum are comprised of sort of brain dead people who are eager to fill their emptiness with ideology and go with whatever talking points the thought leaders are pushing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116618) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:37 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116845) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 8:03 PM Author: Jalapeno cheddar Yeah she killed 3 little kids she should be euthanized or locked up for the rest of her life it's not hard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116620) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 8:10 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) But you realize if you're an impaneled juror who passed voir dire and not an internet tough guy and you've sworn an oath to impartially look at the evidence you're not going to 100% throw out the defense argument. In a case where most jurors listen to the defense attorney even a little bit you're going to have substantial reasonable doubt. The jury isn't 12 handpicked men from the jury school of internet tough guys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116633) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 8:12 PM Author: Jalapeno cheddar I don't give a shit about any of that bullshit you dork. She killed her own little kids it doesn't fucking matter if she thought the tooth fairy told her to do it she should be removed from society (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116637) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 8:17 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) Administer the King's Justice! In the name of internet tough guys we must burn the witch without due process! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116651) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 8:35 PM Author: The Penis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116672) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 8:39 PM Author: Jalapeno cheddar She strangled her own kids to death one by one but these freaks want her to get off (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116678) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 8:42 PM Author: The Penis I really don't give a fuck if she could "appreciate wrongfulness". That's not an observable piece of evidence like cause of death or dna. You can't fully reconstruct what someones mindset was in an objective way, and she googled tons of incriminating shit. The burden for an insanity defense needs to be exceedingly high or else everyone will pull this shit "oh well you can't prove I wasn't psychotic". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116683) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 8:52 PM Author: $BILLIONS OF DOLLARS (gunneratttt) Everything is this case showing insanity could be applied to your average buckwild teen. Hormones going crazy, erratic behavior. And on top of that they have the added behavioral issues/trauma from bad environment and lack of adequate care
A dindu goes berserk in a crowded public place and starts shooting over scuffed shoes. His medical record will surely show a history of psychiatric problems and inadequate care from an overburded system. Is he not criminally responsible?
If Clancy isn't criminally responsible then 90% of the incarcerated people in Mass aren't responsible either. |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:11 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) The dindu was nuts from birth and has a wrap sheet the length of a phone book.
To cite Reddington's closing argument, how did we go from this to this? Wherein holds up a photo of the happy family and then holds up a photo of the crime scene.
What makes Lindsay sympathetic as a defendant is that by all accounts and through a mountain of testimony, she was a nice normal person beloved by everyone around her. The dindu with mental illness has been bashing people's heads in since elementary school. Lindsay wasn't. She was a totally normal person and loving mother who went through a massive personality change having to do with the realignment of neurochemicals in the postpartum period and their interaction with the prescriptions such as giving a bipolar person SSRIs that specifically exacerbated her condition.
If Judge Judy snapped at her advanced age and went on a killing spree no one would think she was herself. No one would think well this model citizen with a lifetime of public service would just turn on a dime and become somebody else. Turns out that's what happened with Lindsay. It wasn't necessarily a decision process that was all thought out and she knew what she was doing. The argument is that she had a delusional, psychotic break with reality from the person she was before, there were no warning signs, she was commendable her whole life up to a point where the chemical balance went off the rails. That's the difference.
Believe whatever you want to believe but the defense argument resonates with 50-75% of people who learn about the trial. She still might be guilty but I don't think the next jury, or any jury, will throw out the defense argument completely. It's strong because it's strong.
Every defendant who can invoke the insanity plea, does. Most do not get 11/12 jurors to buy it. I encourage you to look into the evidence. |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:22 PM Author: The Penis This is internally contradictory with the actual record. There were lots of warning signs that she was mentally ill. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116728) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:25 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) Not before the period in which she lost it. She gave birth in the Spring. Then they summered on Cape Cod. Happy family. No issue. Comes back in the Fall and starts to implode. We're talking 30+ years of kindheartedness and sanity, third baby born, happy summer with the family, then the 4 month decline into madness. So nothing before that point. Yes warning signs between October and January or so. No one could have foreseen her major mental breakdown before October 2022. Hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116736) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:32 PM Author: Gay Grandpa We are not punishing the sane Lindsay, we are punishing the insane one. Or is she back to being sane? |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:35 PM Author: The Penis She was sane when it makes it sound good for her to have been sane, but not so sane it makes it seems suspicious she suddenly became so insane (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116751) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:39 PM Author: Gay Grandpa 11/12 individuals selected for having a high enough degree of mental incapacity agree with this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116758) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:01 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) She was sane for her whole life and beloved by everyone around her until she went nuts. Then she was insane. That's the argument the majority of jurors bought.
The only example during trial that came out that she may have been crazy before is that after she gave birth the second time she got depressed for a while too but she exercised a lot and that seemed to cure it. |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:41 PM Author: The Penis No they were also trying to argue that during the "good period" she was hypomanic and the doctors missed it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116851) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:54 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) They did argue that she was downplaying her symptoms at times. It's obvious that she didn't tell her shrinks everything. She told only two people she had thoughts of filicide, her husband and mother, and told all the shrinks she had thoughts of suicide but never had a concrete plan. The shrinks never took her seriously. She probably didn't show them much but her caregivers were all paint by numbers. She had crisis after crisis and even checked herself into McLean but it was New Years and all the docs were on vacation. She tried to go to some postpartum program in Rhode Island and they said she was too far outside of the postpartum period. Did you not see the text to her mother in closing where she said she was losing her marbles and begging for help?
The problem for convictionmos is that once you actually sit through the entire defense case, which I'm sure you haven't, you realize just how much she was reaching out for help over things going awry and just how little anyone was out there to help her. But yeah go all internet tough guy. Reddington shredded the prosecution experts on mental health. There's a reason he is beating his chest because there is no jury in Plymouth County who is going to unanimously convict her. The DA is a huge pussy if he doesn't retry her for murder 1 again. He is going to get his bussy blown out all over again. No shot. |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:40 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) in other words, the burden should shift to her to prove beyond a reasonable doubt she was criminally insane and not just insane insane. I don't buy it. In a just society, there'd be a crane outside the courthouse and she'd be hanging from it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116850) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:43 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,. I just looked this up today. The burden shift in most states is exactly like that but in MA isn't like that so the prosecution was on the hook to prove that she was sufficiently sane (which, pardon the pun, is insane). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116855) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:45 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) JFC.
Crazy part is my dad died at Spaulding Hospital Cambridge and we are coming for them *big time*. |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:48 PM Author: The Penis Yeah it's wild. I read that earlier today too that's what prompted me to make the thread about getting rid of the insanity defense. I had never heard that before about mass. Thought it was pretty much every state where the burden was extremely high and you had to prove basically that the psychosis was the direct cause not just an aggravating factor. In mass all they have to do is produce “some supporting evidence” in order to meet what they call "burden of production"and then at that point the burden shifts to the state essentially to prove she wasn't insane. stupidest shit I have heard in my life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116864) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:38 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) 100% agree, even as a defense attorney.
I personally would not have taken this case for any amount of money. |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 8:15 PM Author: The Penis I would absolutely discount every second of whatever bullshit the defense put on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116647) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 8:17 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) (Juror 1/12) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116653) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 8:09 PM Author: $BILLIONS OF DOLLARS (gunneratttt) This could be a Gell-mann amnesia moment for you if you consider that perhaps these people do it with everything and this is just one you have a lot of knowledge on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116629) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 8:15 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) Oh definitely. It's brought down my view of political pundits substantially. As someone who sided with NGRI I still thought some of the conduct from the pink shirt wearers was bad like cheering on her van or the woman who got arrested for felony juror intimidation. So there's bad actors on both sides. It was tough for me calling out Nick Fuentes for being wrong about something. But he still has command over his top domain knowledge which is the influence of global jewry on our government and society.
We all have a little Gell-Mann when it comes to topics outside of our wheelhouse. Remember all the times I got pwnd on tort law and M&A shit? We all have blind spots. I have no idea why I grasp criminal law easily but don't have a clue about C Corps inter alia. |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 8:16 PM Author: robe nigger How are you a real person (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116650) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 8:17 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) Taking qs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116652) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 8:33 PM Author: average/ordinary/typical citizen/person If she walks after all said and done I assume someone will kill her (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116669) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:45 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,. If this was Texas or Florida? Sure.
In Massachusetts? Wouldn't bet on it. |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:50 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) NH is right next to MA. Someone will drive 40 minutes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116867) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:59 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) (Claudio Neves Valente) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116885) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 8:46 PM Author: lsd There’s a sizable feminist contingent that believes that Patrick is actually who killed the kids and masterminded the whole setup to make Lindsey to look guilty, 100% not flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116686) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:15 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) I talk to a lot of women and virtually all of them believe Patrick did it. One woman told me that Lindsay's family had 'raised millions of dollars in order to prosecute him.' Ljl at women. Bird brains undefeated against logic and reasoning. You can't make this stuff up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116716) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:17 PM Author: robe nigger I talk to a lot of women tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116722) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:18 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) All my friends wives are Patrick Clancy did it truthers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116723) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:42 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) that's funny, because I'm with a woman who's 100% convinced this woman needs to hang. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116853) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:56 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) You have the mental capacity of an almond, fren. And you always have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116880) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:08 PM Author: ........,,,,,,......,.,.,.,,,,,,,,,, What is the point of the trial?
Just lock her up in a mental health jail for life. Who cares about the semantics this is hte obvious outcome. |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:16 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) Because the DA is a hardo who gets off on putting people away for life. He's been in the job for most of the 21st century. Prosecutors be like that. They like the thrill of the conviction. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116719) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:48 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) that's not entirely true. I would have been an outstanding elected prosecutor because I actually get it. I, personally, would not like convicting people, but I understand it's necessary to have the society our forefathers gave to us. It's the only way to continue the American dream. I don't care about (most) petty stuff, but when it comes to the serious crimes, I would make it my life's mission to crucify scum. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116865) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 11:00 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) You have possibly the least trustworthy and one of the the worst reputations as a lawyer of any poaster ever fren. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116886) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:25 PM Author: Bronus Swagner The defense argument is such obvious bullshit that the only reasonable thing to do is completely disregard it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116735) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:30 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) I think elements of it are bullshit but elements are true. For instance I don't believe she had any command hallucinations and I don't believe anything she told the chaplain or Dr. Zeizel. But I do believe she believed she needed to bring the kids to protect them in Heaven with her before she killed herself. At any rate it's enough reasonable doubt.
The state on the other hand made a half dozen claims they failed to prove such as that she was a horrible, manipulative person, or that she faked her suicide, or that her motive was not wanting to go back to work as a delivery nurse. The state way overshot what they were trying to prove. And I think the defense got in plenty of doubt. |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:36 PM Author: Bronus Swagner The irresistible command hallucination is her entire defense. Without that even the birdbrain prosecutors couldn't have fucked this up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116841) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:55 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) I think something similar happened but not as clean and conveniently as they said it did. It's still reasonable doubt even if I don't buy everything Dr Resnick said verbatim. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116878) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:57 PM Author: The Penis If you don't buy the evidence that she actually lacked the capacity to understand wrongfulness or resist what she was doing, you can't manufacture reasonable doubt by saying “well, something vaguely similar probably happened.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116883) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 11:01 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) That's not what I said. I said I don't believe the testimony about command hallucinations. I think it's at least partially made up. But yes I am convinced she was nuts. She's obviously crazy imo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116887) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:43 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116854) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:34 PM Author: faggot account *strokes clitdick* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116747) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:35 PM Author: Ozempic Vagina I hate lawyers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116750) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:45 PM Author: peeface the problem is, we know women.
hopped up on meds? unable to cope with day to day life?
that is all of them. |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 9:46 PM Author: Consuela (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116780) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:54 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,. The real problem is that this shit absolutely impacts cultural beliefs. There's already a copycat (Corie Walsh in Frankfort, KY) who murdered her 2 year old. There will be others. If burning shitbag mothers who think murdering their kids is cool in public with their screams streamed in 4k prevents this shit then I'm good with it. That remains true if they claim a voice in their heads tell them to do it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116876) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:50 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,. She was crazy but she absolutely knew that a) she was killing her own kids and b) that doing so was wrong. While a voice "told her to do it" I don't see any argument that she was unable to resist the voice, nor was there any prior history of her doing other shit "just because the voice told me I had to."
Honestly, if she were in a normal red state without the dumbfuck lack of burden shifting for insanity defenses that MA has I think she would 100% fry. |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:53 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) I just honestly do not think she should be called a murderer because obviously she was not even acting like herself when it happened and she said she heard a man's voice telling her to do it, and since her husband is the main man in her life then I feel like that has to mean something even if people say it does not make sense, because why would her brain choose a male voice unless some man had put all that fear and pressure into her in the first place, and everyone keeps acting like she just woke up one day and decided to kill her own children for no reason when clearly there was a voice and voices do not just come from nowhere, they come from things people have said to you and ways people have treated you and probably from being controlled for years without anyone noticing, so really her husband should have known what was happening and stopped it because that is literally what husbands are supposed to do, they are supposed to protect their family and pay attention when their wife is falling apart, and if he left her alone or ignored warning signs or made her feel trapped then how is it fair that she gets blamed for everything while he gets to stand there acting shocked, because maybe she technically used her own hands but mentally it was like someone else was using them, and if the voice sounded like a man then I just feel like the responsibility has to go back to the man who had the most influence over her, which was obviously her husband, and people can say that is not how evidence works but sometimes feelings are evidence too because you can tell when something deeper was going on, and no normal mother would ever do that unless she was being pushed by some outside force, so calling her evil is just lazy when the real question is what her husband did or did not do that made her hear that voice, and honestly if he had been a better husband then none of it probably would have happened, so it seems completely wrong to say she is guilty of murder when she was basically another victim of the same man's voice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116869) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:54 PM Author: The Penis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116875) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:55 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,. ... but omg they burned her alive and she screamed and it was scary so I guess I won't kill my kids like omg
^ the correct ending. |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:53 PM Author: The Penis yeah this is the strongest argument imo. her doctor testified she had a so-called “delusion of influence”, her reported feeling that an external force had taken over her body, almost as though she were a puppet. but what could posssibly independently establish that she couldn't resist, rather than that she didn't resist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116870) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 10:55 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) if you claim that you were criminally insane at the time of the alleged crime and are competent to stand trial, you should be required to testify. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116879) |
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Date: September 4th, 2026 11:03 PM Author: Jennifer Siebel did Harvey Weinstein consensually (Prestige Feuds) I think knowing it was wrong is too far. I think she thought it was naughty and a little bit cheeky at most like she was hiding in a big wheelbarrow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5900727&forum_id=2],#50116888) |