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The Senator was in the right in Godfather 2
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Date: July 9th, 2026 11:28 PM Author: Big Bear Energy These New York Italians come to his state and make a fortune and are stealing money left and right. Why shouldn’t he get a piece of the action and some no-show jobs for his boys? I would have done the same thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881330&forum_id=2]#49989955) |
Date: July 9th, 2026 11:33 PM Author: Avatar of Rape cr strongly agree i've always lol'd at the notion that those greasy wops were somehow the "moral high ground" "good guys" in that scene (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881330&forum_id=2]#49989962) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 10:22 AM Author: Big Bear Energy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881330&forum_id=2]#49990501) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 11:38 PM Author: Pope Leo XXX He was bad because he was racist and rude. If he just asked politely they probably would have given him a piece without needing to frame him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881330&forum_id=2]#49989972) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 10:27 AM Author: average/ordinary/typical citizen/person A subtle aspect of the intelligence and political gamesmanship of the senator is during the public speech he intentionally mispronounces and americanizes "Corleone" but in the private meeting says it in Italian to Michael (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881330&forum_id=2]#49990508) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 3:31 PM Author: Kenneth Play (emotional girth) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881330&forum_id=2]#49991221) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 11:48 PM Author: Nazca Redlines Counterpoints. Take your pick.
1. Corruption bad. He should have been cracking down on the mob, not trying to get a cut.
2. Might makes right. The fact that he didn't have the power to compel Michael to give him a piece of the action shows he didn't have a right to it. |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 12:00 AM Author: cowgod The Senator showing up at all gives the game away. A real sovereign doesn't need to come sniffing around the table imho. He sends an office, a board, a statute, a man with a stamp. He has a Turnbull. Turnbull's a good man iirc. Instead he comes himself. He wants to wet his beak in person. He wants the tribute warm. And by doing that he reduces himself. Then Michael finishes the demotion.
Then he wakes up in the brothel, drunk and Ruined, with a dead girl in the bed and Tom Hagen holding the mop. After that he gets nothing. Not even the fee for the gaming license.
Maybe that is the whole fuckin' allegory. America is not conquered from outside. It's subverted by becoming more itself. TheImmigrant arrives outside the club. He learns the rules. Then he learns the rules beneath the rules.
At first the old stock sneers at him. Then it takes his money. Then it invites him to dinner. Then they make him CEO of Microsoft. Then it discovers he understands the country better than the people who inherited it.
That is The Godfather. Not an Italian story. An American story. The ethnic outsider doesn't destroy America by refusing to assimilate. He assimilates perfectly into the real America: patronage, violence, property, public virtue over private vice.
By the end, the Senator sings the praises of Italian-Americans because that is what America does once the money gets large enough. It launders the outsider into the establishment and calls the transaction progress. |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 10:28 AM Author: Frutiger Aero Thank you, Senator. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881330&forum_id=2]#49990510) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 10:34 AM Author: which dad? Always hated Michael's shiny gray suit, very disrespectful (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881330&forum_id=2]#49990528) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 1:57 PM Author: Pope Leo XXX zoot suit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881330&forum_id=2]#49990991) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:01 PM Author: grape vine I had this realization recently.
Italians are niggers |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:40 PM Author: Avatar of Rape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881330&forum_id=2]#49991121) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:13 PM Author: Judas Jones "Senator, we're both part of the same hypocrisy. But never think it applies to my poasting." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881330&forum_id=2]#49991035) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:20 PM Author: ...,....,,........ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881330&forum_id=2]#49991061) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:30 PM Author: Frutiger Aero (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881330&forum_id=2]#49991093) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:35 PM Author: LathamTouchedMe They already have a bunch of local yokels on the payroll (casino gaming commission etc.). It's one thing to offer something in exchange (ex. license for bribe) and quite another for a politico to simply strongarm Michael. The senator entered a game he wasn't prepared for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881330&forum_id=2]#49991107) |