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any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
trip skinny woman mood
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
Ruddy provocative partner garrison
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
magenta electric internal respiration pocket flask
  12/18/25
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jet-lagged saffron senate gaming laptop
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
Aphrodisiac impertinent abode
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
Aphrodisiac impertinent abode
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
Crystalline startled nowag
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
Gold Electric Furnace
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
Aphrodisiac impertinent abode
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
nubile clown base
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
Learning Disabled Juggernaut
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Razzle hospital dysfunction
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
trip skinny woman mood
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Razzle hospital dysfunction
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
trip skinny woman mood
  12/18/25
180
Razzle hospital dysfunction
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
peach sticky kitchen laser beams
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
Arousing stag film
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
peach sticky kitchen laser beams
  12/18/25
...
Arousing stag film
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
nubile clown base
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
sickened regret
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
trip skinny woman mood
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
emerald irradiated church dog poop
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
trip skinny woman mood
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
Kink-friendly twinkling uncleanness
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
Metal titillating old irish cottage temple
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
Harsh Piazza
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
peach sticky kitchen laser beams
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
bronze property yarmulke
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
diverse tank athletic conference
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
topaz effete black woman faggot firefighter
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
diverse tank athletic conference
  12/18/25
lol
topaz effete black woman faggot firefighter
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
Lavender sandwich
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
Arousing stag film
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
diverse tank athletic conference
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
Coiffed Chapel Really Tough Guy
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
Gold Electric Furnace
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
Coiffed Chapel Really Tough Guy
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
Gold Electric Furnace
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
Coiffed Chapel Really Tough Guy
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
Gold Electric Furnace
  12/21/25
cr
Arousing stag film
  12/18/25
Anabasis
splenetic forum
  12/18/25
...
topaz effete black woman faggot firefighter
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
Rusted generalized bond
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
topaz effete black woman faggot firefighter
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
Talented dun background story
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
wild theatre
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
Big nursing home place of business
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
topaz effete black woman faggot firefighter
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
trip skinny woman mood
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
Arousing stag film
  12/18/25
...
diverse tank athletic conference
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
sickened regret
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
diverse tank athletic conference
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
Ruby Home
  12/18/25
...
sickened regret
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
Lavender sandwich
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
heady degenerate digit ratio
  12/18/25
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wonderful bisexual toaster
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Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
White Range
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Aphrodisiac impertinent abode
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
splenetic forum
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
twinkling nofapping new version sanctuary
  12/19/25
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  12/26/25


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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: trip skinny woman mood

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Ruddy provocative partner garrison

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: magenta electric internal respiration pocket flask

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: jet-lagged saffron senate gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac impertinent abode

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac impertinent abode

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Crystalline startled nowag

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Gold Electric Furnace

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac impertinent abode

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: nubile clown base

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Learning Disabled Juggernaut

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Razzle hospital dysfunction

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: trip skinny woman mood

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Razzle hospital dysfunction

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: trip skinny woman mood

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Razzle hospital dysfunction

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: peach sticky kitchen laser beams

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Arousing stag film

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: peach sticky kitchen laser beams

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: Arousing stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: nubile clown base

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: sickened regret

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: trip skinny woman mood

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: emerald irradiated church dog poop

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: trip skinny woman mood

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Kink-friendly twinkling uncleanness

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: Metal titillating old irish cottage temple

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Harsh Piazza

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: peach sticky kitchen laser beams

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: bronze property yarmulke

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: diverse tank athletic conference

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: topaz effete black woman faggot firefighter

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: diverse tank athletic conference

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: topaz effete black woman faggot firefighter

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: Lavender sandwich

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Arousing stag film

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: diverse tank athletic conference

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: Coiffed Chapel Really Tough Guy

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: Gold Electric Furnace

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: Coiffed Chapel Really Tough Guy

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Gold Electric Furnace

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: Coiffed Chapel Really Tough Guy

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Gold Electric Furnace

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: Arousing stag film

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: splenetic forum

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: topaz effete black woman faggot firefighter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: Rusted generalized bond

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: topaz effete black woman faggot firefighter

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Talented dun background story

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: wild theatre

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Big nursing home place of business

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: topaz effete black woman faggot firefighter

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: trip skinny woman mood

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: Arousing stag film

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: diverse tank athletic conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: sickened regret

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: diverse tank athletic conference

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: Ruby Home

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: sickened regret



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: Lavender sandwich

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: heady degenerate digit ratio

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: wonderful bisexual toaster



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: White Range

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac impertinent abode

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: splenetic forum

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49521698)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:23 AM
Author: twinkling nofapping new version sanctuary

abridged edgar allen poe short stories

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