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is Greg 'The Professor' Maddux the most underrated pitcher of all time?

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primrose spot headpube
  04/05/26
Underrated by whom? He’s revered
Floppy rambunctious persian
  04/05/26
how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?
primrose spot headpube
  04/05/26
He's undoubtedly top 3
Hot swollen windowlicker garrison
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan? Randy Johnson?
primrose spot headpube
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind to...
Floppy rambunctious persian
  04/05/26
honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name ...
primrose spot headpube
  04/05/26
Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order: Maddux Joh...
Hot swollen windowlicker garrison
  04/05/26
cr but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or ...
primrose spot headpube
  04/05/26
Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO
Hot swollen windowlicker garrison
  04/05/26
all 3 above above ryan?
primrose spot headpube
  04/05/26
pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete...
Mentally impaired sound barrier market
  04/05/26
Hard to say but he’s up there for sure
Floppy rambunctious persian
  04/05/26
he's def most high iq though, no?
primrose spot headpube
  04/05/26
Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal ...
Floppy rambunctious persian
  04/05/26
the latter obv i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the ...
primrose spot headpube
  04/05/26
Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. N...
Floppy rambunctious persian
  04/05/26
cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bob...
primrose spot headpube
  04/05/26
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Racist Redneck from Alabama
  06/04/26
he's appropriately rated
flickering bistre deer antler space
  04/05/26
lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher ...
lake exhilarant theater stage
  04/05/26
Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?
primrose spot headpube
  04/05/26
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Sienna Mind-boggling Boistinker
  04/06/26
Pedro was better (than anyone).
Flirting Buck-toothed Queen Of The Night
  04/05/26
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flickering bistre deer antler space
  04/05/26
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Sable jet-lagged plaza
  04/07/26
He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys...
greedy dashing alpha rigpig
  04/05/26
Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generat...
Curious weed whacker roommate
  04/05/26
he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smart...
talking red stag film
  04/06/26
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primrose spot headpube
  04/06/26
He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorr...
Sienna Mind-boggling Boistinker
  04/06/26
yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1...
talking red stag film
  04/06/26
Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently h...
Sienna Mind-boggling Boistinker
  04/07/26
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Yichudim
  06/04/26
do not google. there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or gr...
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  06/04/26
Randy Johnson Clemmons Pedro Ryan Glavine Bab...
Yichudim
  06/04/26
this career WAR. you got these right. 1. Cy Young+ (22)...
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No Goog
tokens in abundance
  06/04/26


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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: primrose spot headpube



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:38 PM
Author: Floppy rambunctious persian

Underrated by whom? He’s revered

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796396)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: primrose spot headpube

how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796397)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Hot swollen windowlicker garrison

He's undoubtedly top 3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796399)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: primrose spot headpube

Nolan Ryan?

Randy Johnson?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796405)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Floppy rambunctious persian

Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind too but idk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796411)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: primrose spot headpube

honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name a top 3-5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796419)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:50 PM
Author: Hot swollen windowlicker garrison

Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order:

Maddux

Johnson

Martinez

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796426)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:53 PM
Author: primrose spot headpube

cr

but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or are they well outside top 3

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Hot swollen windowlicker garrison

Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796436)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: primrose spot headpube

all 3 above above ryan?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796437)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:59 PM
Author: Mentally impaired sound barrier market

pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete career. however you rank they are both tier 1.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796451)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: Floppy rambunctious persian

Hard to say but he’s up there for sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796401)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: primrose spot headpube

he's def most high iq though, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796407)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Floppy rambunctious persian

Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal lives, or do you mean high IQ with respect to how he played?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796409)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:45 PM
Author: primrose spot headpube

the latter obv

i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the mouth level dumb irl in his off time as long as hes throwing fucking gems over the mound

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796413)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: Floppy rambunctious persian

Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. No man is an island

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796417)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:47 PM
Author: primrose spot headpube

cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bobby and mazzone to get fucked a bunch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796421)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 1:01 AM
Author: Racist Redneck from Alabama



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: flickering bistre deer antler space

he's appropriately rated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796444)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: lake exhilarant theater stage

lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796446)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: primrose spot headpube

Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796448)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:04 PM
Author: Sienna Mind-boggling Boistinker



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:27 PM
Author: Flirting Buck-toothed Queen Of The Night

Pedro was better (than anyone).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796514)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:47 PM
Author: flickering bistre deer antler space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796561)



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:54 AM
Author: Sable jet-lagged plaza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49799608)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:51 PM
Author: greedy dashing alpha rigpig

He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys like Trout and Ohtani

If you swapped some random cy young candidate like Bryan Woo for Maddux, he would crush it in the 90s also

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796569)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:55 PM
Author: Curious weed whacker roommate

Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49796577)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:49 AM
Author: talking red stag film

he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smarter than other players. perennial gold glove fielder. platonic ideal of "the professor" type who doesn't throw super hard but just outthinks the batter. also insanely low walk rate - nobody - absolutely nobody - had better control

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49797104)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:07 PM
Author: primrose spot headpube



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Date: April 6th, 2026 2:11 PM
Author: Sienna Mind-boggling Boistinker

He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorrectly for not having any velocity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49797984)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: talking red stag film

yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1960 in the hall of fame that threw softer is tom glavine. only reliever is trevor hoffman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49798932)



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:52 AM
Author: Sienna Mind-boggling Boistinker

Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently hit a 92 mph fastball with a year of dedicated training.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49799605)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:17 AM
Author: Yichudim



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:31 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


do not google.

there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or greater. name them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49914284)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:36 AM
Author: Yichudim

Randy Johnson

Clemmons

Pedro

Ryan

Glavine

Babe Ruth

Scherzer

Seaver

cy Young

Maddux



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49914286)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:43 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


this career WAR. you got these right.

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49914287)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:57 AM
Author: tokens in abundance
Subject: No Goog

Clayton Kershaw

Curt Schilling

Mariano Rivera

Bob Gibson

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2]#49914292)