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any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
drunken apoplectic forum
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
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  12/18/25
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  12/18/25
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wonderful green kitty
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
wonderful green kitty
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
Duck-like free-loading chapel
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
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  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
wonderful green kitty
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
talented goal in life philosopher-king
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
peach dashing french chef
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
grizzly 180 generalized bond church building
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
drunken apoplectic forum
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
grizzly 180 generalized bond church building
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
drunken apoplectic forum
  12/18/25
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grizzly 180 generalized bond church building
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
useless misanthropic keepsake machete
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
Arousing Vermilion Market
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
useless misanthropic keepsake machete
  12/18/25
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Arousing Vermilion Market
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
talented goal in life philosopher-king
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
arrogant charismatic area juggernaut
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
drunken apoplectic forum
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
ultramarine titillating hell doctorate
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
drunken apoplectic forum
  12/18/25
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  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
Lemon Main People Site
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
Spectacular parlor
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
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  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
Insecure Sneaky Criminal Set
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
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  12/18/25
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I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
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Cream hideous sweet tailpipe
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
Shimmering office twinkling uncleanness
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
Arousing Vermilion Market
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
Marvelous self-centered travel guidebook ticket booth
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
Vengeful indian lodge
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
Milky locale gay wizard
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
Vengeful indian lodge
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
Milky locale gay wizard
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
Vengeful indian lodge
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
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  12/21/25
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Arousing Vermilion Market
  12/18/25
Anabasis
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Cream hideous sweet tailpipe
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
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  12/18/25
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  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
Pink Pozpig National
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
Big-titted dull dilemma
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
Frozen halford station
  12/18/25
...
Cream hideous sweet tailpipe
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
drunken apoplectic forum
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
Arousing Vermilion Market
  12/18/25
...
Marvelous self-centered travel guidebook ticket booth
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
arrogant charismatic area juggernaut
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
Marvelous self-centered travel guidebook ticket booth
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
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arrogant charismatic area juggernaut
  12/18/25
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  12/22/25
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wonderful green kitty
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
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  12/19/25
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: drunken apoplectic forum

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Beta multi-colored business firm

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: Hairraiser shaky abode

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Sick jap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: wonderful green kitty

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: wonderful green kitty

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Duck-like free-loading chapel

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Milky locale gay wizard

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: wonderful green kitty

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: talented goal in life philosopher-king

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: peach dashing french chef

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: grizzly 180 generalized bond church building

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: drunken apoplectic forum

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: grizzly 180 generalized bond church building

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: drunken apoplectic forum

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: grizzly 180 generalized bond church building

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: useless misanthropic keepsake machete

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Arousing Vermilion Market

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: useless misanthropic keepsake machete

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: Arousing Vermilion Market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: talented goal in life philosopher-king

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: arrogant charismatic area juggernaut

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: drunken apoplectic forum

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: ultramarine titillating hell doctorate

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: drunken apoplectic forum

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: beady-eyed chestnut public bath black woman

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: Lemon Main People Site

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Spectacular parlor

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: useless misanthropic keepsake machete

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Insecure Sneaky Criminal Set

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: Marvelous self-centered travel guidebook ticket booth

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: Cream hideous sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: Marvelous self-centered travel guidebook ticket booth

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: Cream hideous sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: Shimmering office twinkling uncleanness

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Arousing Vermilion Market

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: Marvelous self-centered travel guidebook ticket booth

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: Vengeful indian lodge

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: Milky locale gay wizard

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: Vengeful indian lodge

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Milky locale gay wizard

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: Vengeful indian lodge

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Milky locale gay wizard

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: Arousing Vermilion Market

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: motley corner puppy

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Cream hideous sweet tailpipe



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: stirring avocado point

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Cream hideous sweet tailpipe



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Pink Pozpig National

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: Big-titted dull dilemma

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Frozen halford station

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: Cream hideous sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: drunken apoplectic forum

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: Arousing Vermilion Market

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: Marvelous self-centered travel guidebook ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: arrogant charismatic area juggernaut

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: Marvelous self-centered travel guidebook ticket booth

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: fragrant frisky tank brunch

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: arrogant charismatic area juggernaut



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: Shimmering office twinkling uncleanness

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: awkward brilliant fanboi hunting ground

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: Provocative orchid cuck



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Scarlet bespoke rehab macaca

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: wonderful green kitty

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2]#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: motley corner puppy

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

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