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wanghaf
  12/13/25
i miss the night crew
wanghaf
  12/13/25
What is love?
mpc
  12/13/25
Love can be a lot of things, I think. There's love of you...
wanghaf
  12/13/25
EVERYBODY DANCE NOW
mpc
  12/13/25
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wanghaf
  12/13/25
I only felt that limerence shit once. I was 17 and I lost my...
ARE penumbral sorcery
  12/13/25
unfortunately it seems like i don't have much of a choice, b...
wanghaf
  12/13/25
The one that got away I liken to Scheherazade. We spent many...
ARE penumbral sorcery
  12/13/25
What if anything have you learned about it
ARE penumbral sorcery
  12/13/25
Like Edison, I've discovered many ways not to do it.
wanghaf
  12/13/25
I think for men it's as simple as finding someone willing to...
ARE penumbral sorcery
  12/13/25
i have a different view but i respect yours and assume it's ...
wanghaf
  12/13/25
You have to find a balance. You want to be infatuated and ov...
ARE penumbral sorcery
  12/13/25


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Date: December 13th, 2025 12:43 AM
Author: wanghaf



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809776&forum_id=2Ã#49506246)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 12:55 AM
Author: wanghaf

i miss the night crew

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Date: December 13th, 2025 12:57 AM
Author: mpc

What is love?

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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:07 AM
Author: wanghaf

Love can be a lot of things, I think.

There's love of your family, which is its own thing and deserves an explanation from someone other than me. There's love of your friends, which I can explain but don't want to talk about right now. And then there's love of your partner.

For romantic love, I think there are basically two species. There is something like limerence, and there is something like agape, but these are pretty rough approximations. Each participates in, but is not coextensive with, something like eros.

I say 'something like limerence' because I do not mean the term as it is defined in the literature, such as the literature is. But I do mean something that is obsessive, that is unsustainable as a daily practice, that is consuming. Limerence is typically understood as a kind of deranged fascination from afar where a connection is merely imagined; but, as anyone who has been truly deep into the suck knows, the kind of obsession oftentimes identified with 'limerence' is completely possible, and even common, in actual connections.

The difficulties attendant to this species of 'love' are manifold, but they all mostly amount to: it's very, very hard to have the energy matched by your partner--at least, at the same time--and it's very, very unlikely to plant either party's feet beneath them. Unfortunately for those who experience this kind of love, it's fully outside of their control. I am one such. It's come along really rarely for me. Twice in my life--once recently. Unfortunately, it won't work out with this second one. So I am thinking, maybe, I remain unpaired forever. I have to figure out what that sort of life looks like.

Agape, on the other hand--again, I'm using these terms as approximations, because they're both situated in intellectual and historical contexts that don't quite meet the experience of most in the here and now--is that nice, warm feeling that many experience when eros titrates down. I think what makes this sort of bond so strong is a couple of things: (1) mere repetition / exposure. (2) An inability to experience limerent love, which characterizes most lives, I think. But this has to be a better way to live, because it is the only path toward true rootedness. The limerent species is life on a razor's edge--an ultimately exhausting exercise for most who experience it. And as life is so full of other things, agape love with a partner can actually fortify you for those other things, rather than leave you barely able to function. It's clearly the more adaptive variety.

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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:18 AM
Author: mpc

EVERYBODY DANCE NOW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809776&forum_id=2Ã#49506279)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:20 AM
Author: wanghaf



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:27 AM
Author: ARE penumbral sorcery (Goy First, America Always)

I only felt that limerence shit once. I was 17 and I lost my damn mind. Glad I never went back. It's too impractical. Would rather just coast with a normie relationship.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809776&forum_id=2Ã#49506289)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:28 AM
Author: wanghaf

unfortunately it seems like i don't have much of a choice, but if i did i would make the same choice you're making

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809776&forum_id=2Ã#49506290)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:36 AM
Author: ARE penumbral sorcery (Goy First, America Always)

The one that got away I liken to Scheherazade. We spent many nights staying up together and me listening to her stories. That's what really captivated me. And she looked like Carrie Mulligan. Her eyes were the size of the moon. I was on the end of a hook.

Everything was cinematic. She held me like she was afraid I was going to float away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809776&forum_id=2Ã#49506296)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:04 AM
Author: ARE penumbral sorcery (Goy First, America Always)

What if anything have you learned about it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809776&forum_id=2Ã#49506260)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:11 AM
Author: wanghaf

Like Edison, I've discovered many ways not to do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809776&forum_id=2Ã#49506265)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:22 AM
Author: ARE penumbral sorcery (Goy First, America Always)

I think for men it's as simple as finding someone willing to sleep with you whom you don't hate completely. If you're really lucky you'll be able to converse with this person once in a while and express something profound and feel understood. If you were ever in a car wreck you know she'd be the first one to rush over to see you.

For women love is transactional. It's did you fulfill her needs today. If ever you don't meet the standard vs the alternative, you're out. As long as she believes she's getting the best deal, she will subjectively experience love, whatever that means, to birdbrains in their birdbrain way.

It's as simple as.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809776&forum_id=2Ã#49506282)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:24 AM
Author: wanghaf

i have a different view but i respect yours and assume it's hard-won and tinged with disappointment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809776&forum_id=2Ã#49506285)



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Date: December 13th, 2025 1:30 AM
Author: ARE penumbral sorcery (Goy First, America Always)

You have to find a balance. You want to be infatuated and over the moon about your partner but you also want a healthy productive relationship that's based on meeting mutual long term goals. I think you can still have the passion for many years if you meet the right person. You probably won't feel it when you're 70 though because no one does. If you get 75% of the way to perfection it's good enough. Falling in love as a grown man is not a bright idea. Keep your head screwed on, niggy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5809776&forum_id=2Ã#49506291)