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Hairraiser quadroon
  12/18/25
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Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
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i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
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  12/18/25
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they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
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ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
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  12/18/25
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1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: Hairraiser quadroon

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: multi-colored piazza

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: opaque menage double fault

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Lilac church dysfunction

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Lilac church dysfunction

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: dun theater stage filthpig

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: racy learning disabled site

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Lilac church dysfunction

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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: Cheese-eating Territorial Sanctuary Place Of Business

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Claret razzle pistol casino

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: diverse godawful turdskin nowag

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Hairraiser quadroon

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: diverse godawful turdskin nowag

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Hairraiser quadroon

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: diverse godawful turdskin nowag

180

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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: Umber Flatulent National Organic Girlfriend

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Milky very tactful fat ankles

rocket boys is 180

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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: Umber Flatulent National Organic Girlfriend

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: Milky very tactful fat ankles



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: Cheese-eating Territorial Sanctuary Place Of Business

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: buff property coldplay fan

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: Hairraiser quadroon

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: Carmine Affirmative Action Den

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Hairraiser quadroon

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Impressive gaped tanning salon scourge upon the earth

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: Violet theater psychic

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Snowy Histrionic Antidepressant Drug

JackTales 🤡😳

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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: Umber Flatulent National Organic Girlfriend

those are for reading out loud , clown



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Vibrant Angry Address Striped Hyena

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: ebony heady incel

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: fragrant tan foreskin



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: ebony heady incel

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: fragrant tan foreskin



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: blue hot base brethren

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Milky very tactful fat ankles

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: ebony heady incel

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: trip mustard wrinkle stain

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: racy learning disabled site

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: trip mustard wrinkle stain

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: racy learning disabled site

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: trip mustard wrinkle stain

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: racy learning disabled site

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: Milky very tactful fat ankles

cr

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: Galvanic new version

Anabasis

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: fragrant tan foreskin



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: Hateful chad dopamine

Flowers for Algernon

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: fragrant tan foreskin



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Twinkling adventurous gas station

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: demanding blood rage hissy fit

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: effete fantasy-prone point

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: fragrant tan foreskin



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: Hairraiser quadroon

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: Milky very tactful fat ankles

zorba the greek



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: ebony heady incel



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: buff property coldplay fan

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: ebony heady incel

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: shimmering glittery principal's office

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: buff property coldplay fan



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: blue hot base brethren

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Twisted hominid

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: stirring ceo



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Puce nubile stage alpha

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: Lilac church dysfunction

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: Galvanic new version

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:23 AM
Author: Thriller rebellious lodge

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