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any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
bistre electric old irish cottage death wish
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
Cyan Keepsake Machete Resort
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haunting disrespectful spot
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"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
Talented jewess codepig
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this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
Talented jewess codepig
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
diverse son of senegal parlour
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
lavender house mood
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
Talented jewess codepig
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
curious pink property indirect expression
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
Lilac coldplay fan market
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Amethyst bat shit crazy hominid range
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
bistre electric old irish cottage death wish
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Amethyst bat shit crazy hominid range
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
bistre electric old irish cottage death wish
  12/18/25
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Amethyst bat shit crazy hominid range
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The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
Domesticated idea he suggested garrison
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
charcoal 180 national circlehead
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Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
Domesticated idea he suggested garrison
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charcoal 180 national circlehead
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weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
curious pink property indirect expression
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
violent macaca gas station
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
bistre electric old irish cottage death wish
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
Stirring pit
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
bistre electric old irish cottage death wish
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
translucent cerebral pisswyrm
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
up-to-no-good corner gunner
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
Odious Fuchsia Lay
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
Domesticated idea he suggested garrison
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
Milky den kitty cat
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Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
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I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
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Exhilarant transparent mexican
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he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
Big Zippy Field Hairy Legs
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Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
charcoal 180 national circlehead
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
exciting windowlicker library
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James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
boyish alpha university
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
lavender house mood
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
boyish alpha university
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
lavender house mood
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
boyish alpha university
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
lavender house mood
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charcoal 180 national circlehead
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Anabasis
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Flowers for Algernon
mind-boggling greedy school cafeteria
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Exhilarant transparent mexican
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a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
Mustard impertinent international law enforcement agency
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Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
sticky faggotry
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
Vermilion Dashing Indian Lodge
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Exhilarant transparent mexican
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
bistre electric old irish cottage death wish
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
charcoal 180 national circlehead
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exciting windowlicker library
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
violent macaca gas station
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
exciting windowlicker library
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The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
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violent macaca gas station
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agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
Big Zippy Field Hairy Legs
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
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Fishy business firm reading party
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A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Talented jewess codepig
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: bistre electric old irish cottage death wish

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Cyan Keepsake Machete Resort

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: Talking dun stag film nowag

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: haunting disrespectful spot



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Talented jewess codepig

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Talented jewess codepig

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: diverse son of senegal parlour

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: lavender house mood

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Talented jewess codepig

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: curious pink property indirect expression

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Lilac coldplay fan market

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Amethyst bat shit crazy hominid range

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: bistre electric old irish cottage death wish

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Amethyst bat shit crazy hominid range

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: bistre electric old irish cottage death wish

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Amethyst bat shit crazy hominid range

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: Domesticated idea he suggested garrison

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: charcoal 180 national circlehead

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: Domesticated idea he suggested garrison

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: charcoal 180 national circlehead



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: curious pink property indirect expression

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: violent macaca gas station

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: bistre electric old irish cottage death wish

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: Stirring pit

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: bistre electric old irish cottage death wish

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: translucent cerebral pisswyrm

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: up-to-no-good corner gunner

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Odious Fuchsia Lay

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: Domesticated idea he suggested garrison

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Milky den kitty cat

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: exciting windowlicker library

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: Exhilarant transparent mexican



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: exciting windowlicker library

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: Exhilarant transparent mexican



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: Big Zippy Field Hairy Legs

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: charcoal 180 national circlehead

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: exciting windowlicker library

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: boyish alpha university

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: lavender house mood

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: boyish alpha university

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: lavender house mood

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: boyish alpha university

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: lavender house mood

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: charcoal 180 national circlehead

cr

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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: federal comical people who are hurt boiling water

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Exhilarant transparent mexican



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: mind-boggling greedy school cafeteria

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Exhilarant transparent mexican



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Mustard impertinent international law enforcement agency

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: sticky faggotry

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Vermilion Dashing Indian Lodge

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: Exhilarant transparent mexican



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: bistre electric old irish cottage death wish

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: charcoal 180 national circlehead

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: exciting windowlicker library



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: violent macaca gas station

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: exciting windowlicker library

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: Massive green base

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: violent macaca gas station



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: Big Zippy Field Hairy Legs

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: irate senate legend

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: iridescent state depressive



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Fishy business firm reading party

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: Talented jewess codepig

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: federal comical people who are hurt boiling water

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2Ã#49521698)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:23 AM
Author: motley locus

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Date: December 26th, 2025 12:37 AM
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