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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
stubborn violent native newt
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just walk outside bro
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
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read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
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it was a nanny state.
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Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a sett...
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: stubborn violent native newt

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: burgundy mind-boggling hissy fit

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: fragrant mediation

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: burgundy mind-boggling hissy fit

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: fragrant mediation

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: burgundy mind-boggling hissy fit

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: shivering frisky base cumskin

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: French center gaping

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: Milky police squad roommate

cq

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Alcoholic Resort

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: shivering frisky base cumskin

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM
Author: self-absorbed spot son of senegal



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Shaky theater stage juggernaut

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Ã#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: peach self-centered tattoo point

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Ã#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: mauve indian lodge dysfunction

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: dark misanthropic half-breed immigrant

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Ã#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: Walnut Vigorous Black Woman

it was a nanny state.

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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: dark misanthropic half-breed immigrant

Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Ã#49495273)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM
Author: mauve indian lodge dysfunction

actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts

foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Ã#49518563)