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Theory: the reason the West vaulted past China was the alphabet.
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Date: March 31st, 2012 5:41 PM Author: Concupiscible stead milk With 24 or so letters, once the technology for the printing press came along, it was much easier to disseminate information that could then be improved upon by anyone who could read. As opposed to a language with a different character for every word. Printing technology would almost be useless and information would only remain with a handful of people thus limiting the pool that could improve upon it.
Just a random thought. |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 5:44 PM Author: vibrant apoplectic hell I can't believe the slanty-eyes are STILL using that hieroglyphics shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20356307) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:10 PM Author: Supple dun rehab preventive strike The Koreans got their shit together.
Japan sort of got its shit together. |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 5:44 PM Author: chocolate underhanded school newt Dr. Samuel Johnson said the same thing bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20356310) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 5:51 PM Author: Concupiscible stead milk link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20356354) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 7:47 PM Author: chocolate underhanded school newt my fucked up memory that intently holds onto trivia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357026) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 7:50 PM Author: copper odious tanning salon marketing idea (guy who just read Guns Germs and Steel, trying to pass it off as his own theory) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357042) |
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Date: March 4th, 2025 12:54 AM Author: Exhilarant Costumed Cumskin Lodge Fun fact: The Chinese actually invented movable type hundreds of years before Gutenberg. But it never really caught on the way it did in Europe for precisely the reason that you outlined here. So you may be on to something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#48712176) |
Date: March 31st, 2012 5:44 PM Author: Spectacular deep mood cuck lol at a modern country still using hieroglyphics. what a primitive, inefficient and idiotic way to structure a language. Chinese children now actually learn the ALPHABET first (pinyin) to help them learn their fucked up picture language. |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 5:57 PM Author: unhinged crackhouse skinny woman (rage-filled cumskin dork) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20356400) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 5:59 PM Author: Insecure grizzly university What's the chinese character for NOWAG? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20356408) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 6:09 PM Author: Glassy ungodly ticket booth toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20356469) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 6:15 PM Author: sepia bull headed step-uncle's house mad-dog skullcap Greetings, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20356509) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 6:19 PM Author: Poppy factory reset button <><><> (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20356527) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 7:17 PM Author: Wild buff psychic internal respiration (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20356879) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:08 PM Author: Lake sick theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357130) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:12 PM Author: exciting theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357154) |
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Date: March 4th, 2025 12:01 AM Author: Know-it-all laughsome temple juggernaut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#48712077) |
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Date: August 14th, 2026 1:50 AM Author: Don Spaceporn De La Squancha (✅🍑) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50067111) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 6:04 PM Author: very tactful market Primitive form of language for a primitive people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20356435) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 6:05 PM Author: exciting theatre also azn hive minds lack creativity centers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20356448) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 6:07 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone violent shitlib ITT: Guy who doesn't even know how many letters are in the alphabet extolls the linguistic superiority of Europeans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20356461) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 6:41 PM Author: Concupiscible stead milk I'm sorry you are unaware that not all of the languages in Europe have 26 characters, or that there's more than one alphabet used in the West, or that Gutenberg only used "24 or so" characters when this whole printing thing took off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20356682) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 6:21 PM Author: Poppy factory reset button Ive always wondered this
SLANTEYES - being fluent in both english and your hometown primitive language, is it as easy to be as expressive in your home tongue? |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 6:21 PM Author: Pink Sinister Stock Car Coal deposits near major urban centers. It had everything to do with an energy revolution. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20356545) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 6:42 PM Author: Concupiscible stead milk Really? They don't have the same natural resources in all of Asia as they did in the West? I'm surprised. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20356691) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 7:50 PM Author: very tactful market LOL no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357040) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:48 PM Author: Pink Sinister Stock Car you are a complete moron, but thanks for playing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_miracle |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 7:51 PM Author: Transparent ape sneaky criminal no, the reason is because, one day, long ago, China decided to close up shop to the rest of the world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357048) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 7:54 PM Author: chocolate underhanded school newt Right after they launched eunuchs out around the world right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357068) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:01 PM Author: Abnormal love of her life tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357094) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:03 PM Author: Titillating public bath that's a circular argument, though. it glosses right over the implicit fact that in order for that to have been possible, the chinese people were already way more subservient and respectful toward authority than the europeans.
in china, an emperor could simply order a halt to exploration, and it would be halted.
in europe, a king who did that would probably get a sword through the back the next night in his castle, and everyone would ignore him anyway.
that's a cultural difference worth exploring, to say the least. |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:09 PM Author: Lemon hominid point Yes and no. There were peasant rebellions in CHinese history.
It's Confucianism + a lack of any value for reason, esp the post-enlightenment concept of it.
The Chinese see a leader as someone who decides. One viewpoint is always better than many, even if many are seen as fine. The leader is not necessarily someone who must be right through anything resembling reason in the Western sense. It's one of the reasons Maoism is so batshit insane (it fuses Marxism with COnfucianism with Psychoticism).
Their culture is different. Really different.
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:11 PM Author: Titillating public bath CHINESE EMPEROR: Burn the fleet!
CHINESE PEOPLE: Yes, Emperor!
*fleet is burned*
EUROPEAN KING: Burn the fleet!
KING'S SUBJECTS: Fuck off you fucking cunt!
*smashes in king's skull with a mace* |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:12 PM Author: very tactful market (Ignores Divine Right of Kings & its legitimacy with the common man during the middle ages) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357161) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:13 PM Author: Titillating public bath european kings from 600AD to the end of the monarchial age got slaughtered and killed regularly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357166) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:15 PM Author: very tactful market Not randomly by the common people, though, which is what you were saying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357183) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:16 PM Author: Titillating public bath by "subjects" i meant knights, members of the king's court, and so on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357187) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:17 PM Author: very tactful market Why compare the Chinese "people" (undoubtedly referring to peasants, etc.) to Western knights & nobles? That makes no sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357192) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:20 PM Author: Lemon hominid point It makes even less sense when you compare Han to the Middle Ages
Hell the Han even had a fucking tales of chivalry/knight errant genre a la Chretien (or maybe Amadis is more appropriate?) called Youxia |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:22 PM Author: very tactful market I know nothing of China during the period, but yes, I'd think the comparison is probably a rather complex one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357218) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:31 PM Author: Lemon hominid point They had peasant rebellions too e.g. Yellow Turban.
It's dramatized in Romance of the 3 Kingdoms, if memory serves.
Han is the nearest analogue to the middle ages.
We're all neglecting the fact that Chinese culture is very old.
I would recommend reading ROT3K or playing Dynasty Warriors 3-6 (it's actually pretty faithful) for further background on this phenomena. |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:18 PM Author: Lemon hominid point "Kings" until damned near the late medieval period were nowhere near Pharaohs/Chinese Emperors etc in terms of subjects or power.
Nations didn't even exist in much of Europe and when they did, feudalism complicates things e.g. Henry II was a feudal vassal of France. |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:21 PM Author: very tactful market What? Henry II lived well before nations came into existence. Even Henry II of France lived before the idea of nations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357214) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:29 PM Author: Lemon hominid point It's debatable. Henry II was in control of more land than his lord.
Where would you start? The assimilation/deposition of the French ruling class? THe hundred years war? |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:31 PM Author: very tactful market Nations as opposed to vassalage kingdoms?
The 17th century. The Peace of Westphalia, 1648.
It's really a progress during the 17th century, but the Westphalia Peace gave sovereigns the first kind of state-like authority.
Certainly not at any time before the 1600s, though. |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:31 PM Author: Lemon hominid point Fair. Politically I can't argue with it.
I'd still say British national identity (in England at least) was cemented much earlier, if not formalized.
Kissinger fan? |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:39 PM Author: Titillating public bath the modern nation-state system started coming into shape after the concordat of worms in 1122 and then the pre-magna carta reorderings in england (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357309) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:40 PM Author: Lemon hominid point Magna Carta was vital.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357315) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:40 PM Author: drab at-the-ready locale The most powerful European players in the 16th century were the Swedes and the Poles-Lithuanians. Britain and France were fucking backwaters. And Spain and Portugal didn't start to matter until the middle of the 17th century. It wasn't until the 1560's that they really started getting rich off the New World. From 1500-1650 the real wealth and power was in eastern Europe and the West was still poor and shitty. The first real nation state in Europe was Sweden. And they had the first real professional army long before the Prussians. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357312) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:42 PM Author: Lemon hominid point I was referring to the MC, the Hundred Years War (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357321) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:43 PM Author: Titillating public bath one of the things i find weird about european history is how important the anglo-dutch relationship used to be. also, the dynastic rulership of spain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357325) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:12 PM Author: Supple dun rehab preventive strike Don't piss off the job creators. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357153) |
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:29 PM Author: drab at-the-ready locale Nope, for starters the Chinese didn't merely decide to look inward. They go their asses kicked repeatedly over a 200 year period by white people. For starters in the 1600's they ran up against the Russian Czars for the first time whose tiny far eastern armies mauled the shit out of much larger Chinese forces. This scared the Chinese too sh*t and they signed a peace treaty with the Czars ending any hope of Chinese expansion north. Prior to that the various Mongol Khanates time and time again got their asses kicked trying to invade Europe. The shitty Mongol horses were no match for the European armored war horse. Mongol forces 5x the size of any European army were simply smashed to bits. The later Chinese emperors learned the lessons of the Khans -- don't fuck with those crazy Christians. It took military setbacks to make them look inward.
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Date: March 31st, 2012 8:37 PM Author: Lemon hominid point And when they looked outward we pwn3d them with Opium (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#20357302) |
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Date: February 26th, 2025 9:28 PM Author: hank_scorpio
azn's still haven't really discovered writing, they are just using a bunch of hieroglyphs
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5536032&forum_id=2#48697467 |
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Date: February 26th, 2025 9:32 PM Author: balding lime hunting ground yet here u are writing white words on a white people's invention in a vassal state beholden to whitey
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Date: August 12th, 2026 6:54 PM Author: nyuug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50064398) |
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Date: August 12th, 2026 7:07 PM Author: nyuug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50064410) |
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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:28 PM Author: nyuug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50066550) |
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Date: August 14th, 2026 1:01 AM Author: nyuug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50067058) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2025 11:14 PM Author: plum soul-stirring famous landscape painting Yeah I'm pretty sure it's a prerequisite for Code of Laws and Writing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#48711999) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2025 11:55 PM Author: rebellious half-breed hairy legs Explain the Philippines, Indonesia and Vietnam (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#48712059) |
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Date: March 4th, 2025 1:00 AM Author: Cocky Sweet Tailpipe Were never ever important centers of anything, unlike China which actually was a leading state before becoming TTT and getting pwned by the West. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#48712182) |
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Date: March 4th, 2025 1:05 AM Author: flushed idea he suggested blood rage and the alphabet sucks
why not three dimensional ambigramic characters like a real civilization
barbaric |
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Date: August 13th, 2026 11:37 PM Author: evan39 https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2789525&mc=104&forum_id=2#27169724 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50066995) |
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Date: August 14th, 2026 12:31 AM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK Why didn't Vietnam catapult past its neighbors after it adopted the Roman alphabet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50067044) |
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Date: August 14th, 2026 2:00 AM Author: evan39 They added all of those stupid symbols and stress marks that made it an unpronounceable mess. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50067121) |
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Date: August 14th, 2026 8:23 AM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK Now do the Philippines and Indonesia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1912841&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50067335) |