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Buying a new Porsche 911 is now a sucker move
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Date: July 9th, 2026 8:55 PM Author: cerebral main people locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989573) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:05 PM Author: orchid ungodly parlor You brown buttfucker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989586) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:07 PM Author: cerebral main people locus go eat your wife's disgusting pussy you cuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989597) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:08 PM Author: orchid ungodly parlor You are a disgusting sand fucker who worships a moon God and has intercourse with animals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989599) |
Date: July 9th, 2026 8:59 PM Author: up-to-no-good ticket booth kitty cat Explain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989578) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:06 PM Author: cerebral main people locus msrps are astronomical and difficult to get one without an ADM on top of that
what used to be an enthusiast's car is now full of status seeking nouveau riche checking a box and/or those buying these for the resale value
a lightly equipped 911 is pushing 200k
it's basically a car for rich douchebags like all the dorks we went to law school with who became partners. it's the uninspired, desperate, boring person with access choice |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:21 PM Author: up-to-no-good ticket booth kitty cat It's been like that for decades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989643) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:40 PM Author: cerebral main people locus No it hasn’t. Markups, tariffs, Covid related price increases and now they’re going to be producing less of them to maintain exclusivity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989696) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:42 PM Author: orchid ungodly parlor Shut the fuck up, macaca. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989700) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:45 PM Author: cerebral main people locus Cucky it’s time to go lick that disgusting snatch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989711) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:46 PM Author: orchid ungodly parlor The goat is ready to push your shit in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989715) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:47 PM Author: cerebral main people locus You can leave this thread now you mediocrity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989719) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:49 PM Author: orchid ungodly parlor Your threads suck and 99% of people you aspire to be would deport you back to turbanstan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989728) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:28 AM Author: Snowy infuriating institution police squad all except the retarded COVID point (this happened to nearly all luxury class or better vehicles) have also been happening for many years you peabrained fuck. he blew your thread out of the water with a single comment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49990167) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 8:52 AM Author: cerebral main people locus Always a tough talking pumo moron. Unlike many other luxury vehicles Porsche prices then continued to climb and have stayed high, on top of fake demand imposed ADMs that other brands are less susceptible to
You’re an Asian with a striver 911 |
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Date: July 15th, 2026 2:15 AM Author: Snowy infuriating institution police squad i have four kids between the ages of 10 and 18 in a high COL area. i have never owned or even thought about purchasing any kind of 'luxury' car let alone some useless toy like a 911. you're a covetous poor manifesting your deprivation rage against the people who buy the hood rich status symbols of your fantasies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50001066) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:40 PM Author: Internet-worthy organic girlfriend space doesn't porsche do the same shit that prestigious watch companies have been doing for decades? "Oh, I see you admiring our Casio CFX-200 Module 197. You have great taste. We can sell her to you only after you've proven yourself as a loyal Casiowner. How about the F105W instead?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989881) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:53 PM Author: cerebral main people locus For anything desirable yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989904) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:57 PM Author: up-to-no-good ticket booth kitty cat They do that shit with like the GT3 and anything that is limited production. IDK if they do that with normal 911s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989914) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 11:00 PM Author: Swollen sooty patrolman my understanding is they make you wait for fucking ever to get the exact trim you want but if you have money you can order just about anyting, ferrari is known for fucking you over for a decade before they let you get the good stuff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989915) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:00 PM Author: Passionate jewess twinkling uncleanness where the fuck do people drive these fucking sports cars. theres bumper to bumper traffic everywhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989579) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:07 PM Author: cerebral main people locus lol for most it sits in their garage while they take suvs to work and back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989595) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:36 AM Author: iridescent anal fat ankles the levee, country roads, desert highways, pretty much wherever we want (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49990173) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:08 PM Author: cerebral main people locus also this:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/porsche-5-billion-profit-collapse-204500388.html |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 4:04 AM Author: Saffron shrine volcanic crater You and the author of that article are both retarded
Porsche stock is down 1/3 YTD but it's primarily comprised of Volkswagen ownership |
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Date: July 12th, 2026 2:28 PM Author: cerebral main people locus https://www.reddit.com/r/Porsche/s/eFQyakNW3q (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49994589) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:41 PM Author: khaki low-t orchestra pit boistinker Is this opposed to the era where it was a prudent financial choice? lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989698) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:45 PM Author: cerebral main people locus They’re compromising its heritage as we speak thanks to dweebs like you buying them now lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989709) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:46 PM Author: Saffron shrine volcanic crater It's been like that since before Covid
Did they stop taking orders for a custom build at msrp?
That would be bizarre because their entire business model is oriented around deep customization and there are over a hundred thousand configurations for a single model
Only weirdos who are desperate to buy one that same day and don't care about the options pay the ADM (typically foreigners on visa who only pay cash for stuff that's available immediately) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:47 PM Author: cerebral main people locus Adms are the norm for anything even slightly desirable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989717) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:48 PM Author: Saffron shrine volcanic crater Reread my post and try again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989723) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 11:09 PM Author: Internet-worthy organic girlfriend space even shit that's not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9uHZZ0j7cw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989928) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:48 PM Author: Bistre dingle berry i really liked 911s until i went into a rich condo building and saw like 20 of them in the garage and realized it was just a fancy volkswagen. they're beautiful but the criticism is fair, they're a basic bitch car for umc 45 year old white guys.
similar experience with g wagons in london.
also in london there's this alley/covered market with every fancy watch you can imagine on display, like thousands of them, dozens of each version right next to each other, and it totally killed it for me. there's a lot of value in rarity. |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 9:49 PM Author: cerebral main people locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989726) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:23 PM Author: up-to-no-good ticket booth kitty cat It is a basic bitch car for UMCmos, sure.
Legit rich people like them too though, they're one of the best cars you can DD and not have people rubbernecking you. |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:25 PM Author: Saffron shrine volcanic crater One time I saw 20 corvettes lined up in a row and realized it's just a fancy camaro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989835) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:27 PM Author: cerebral main people locus Niche devoted enthusiast car vs watered down heritage striver Asian mobile (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989841) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:28 PM Author: up-to-no-good ticket booth kitty cat That never really was the case & it definitely isn't now that the Corvette is midengine (nevermind that the Camaro is dead) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989843) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:30 PM Author: Saffron shrine volcanic crater Uhhh no shit.
And a Porsche isn't remotely close to a Volkswagen and seeing 100 Porsches in a room wouldn't change that |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:37 PM Author: up-to-no-good ticket booth kitty cat The Cayenne is a badge engineered Touareg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989873) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 11:09 PM Author: Saffron shrine volcanic crater So op wandered into a luxury condo, saw 20 Cayennes in a row and realized it's a rebadged VW from 10 years ago? That's your thesis? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989927) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 11:15 PM Author: up-to-no-good ticket booth kitty cat sure (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989933) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:36 PM Author: cerebral main people locus Also you’d never see 20 Corvettes in a row like you plausibly could in a striver condo parking lot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989868) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:29 PM Author: Swollen sooty patrolman the new ones are butt ass ugly, like shockingly ugly, especially in the covertible it just has a fucking hump ass, the caymans or the one upjumped boxter that kinda looks like the old gt are much cooler cars (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989852) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:41 PM Author: Bistre dingle berry yeah don't like the new ones, the last model was perfect though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989883) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:49 PM Author: Swollen sooty patrolman they have always been cars for dentists, Jeremy Clarkson was and remains correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989900) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 11:33 PM Author: bright old irish cottage i think the hump ass looks good, but i am not a porsche fan hate to agree with paramo, but 911s are a boring choice for a sports car i tried to persuade cslg to go a different route, but he went 911 he used to have a very cool rolls royce from a client. still have that, cslg? |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 11:39 PM Author: Swollen sooty patrolman it is indeed very boring, for a car in that price range you could get a fucking baby lambo that would be infinitely more cool (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989975) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 11:06 PM Author: Kink-friendly Cuckold (Beggar being chooser) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989921) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 11:37 PM Author: Indecent gaming laptop If you want to show something about your character there is no purchase that will accomplish that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49989970) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:41 AM Author: Snowy infuriating institution police squad how about showing poor character? can purchases show this? what if you demonstrate good character by working extra and sacrificing in order to help your widowed sister and children obtain a better quality of life by buying them a home? doesn't that act reflect good character? what does "purchase" mean, limited to retail goods, are you more narrowly thinking of expensive shit, designer products and labels?
moreover, who is attempting to demonstrate anything about their character by buying a 911? |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:10 PM Author: Indecent gaming laptop You're on another level from me I take back what I said |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 8:57 AM Author: pearl indirect expression boltzmann cars are just so prole anymore and caring about them is a huge prole tell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49990364) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:22 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Plaza Ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49991070) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 9:39 AM Author: 180 boiling water national i'm open to suggestions if there is anything more compelling than my 911 to replace it with. manual, 450hp w/ no turbos (gts engine + tune), awd, 3200lb curb weight - what am i replacing that with? it's also the only car that i've ever owned that has gone up in value since i purchased it used for ~$90k (it's an instantaneous 120k+ if i post it forsale). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49990422) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 9:46 AM Author: Cracking set wagecucks i think OP is just saying they're dumb to buy used. your car sounds awesome. they all still drive great imo!
the community can just be annoying sometimes bc it's a bunch of rich dweebs saying "rate my spec - did i pick the right color of deviated stitching?"
and the prices on new ones has just gone up like crazy last few years. sometimes they can still appreciate! but i'm not playing that speculation game, i like the older ones |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 9:49 AM Author: 180 boiling water national people crash out about the current msrp's, and i agree, base model cars starting at 130k seems sort of wild (i'd be in a z06 before any sort of basic 911). but, everything has gone up in price. the 2014 window sticker for my car is $167k, that's $235k in 2026 dollars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49990437) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 10:13 AM Author: Cracking set wagecucks that's all true. but hold up, you're trying to say you prefer a 2014 GTS over a z06 corvette over a base 992? the modern corvettes have a crazy amount of power (especially per $) but i feel like there's not a ton of overlap between people who want to have a corvette vs those want to have a 911 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49990485) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:04 PM Author: cerebral main people locus it's a great car and you aren't who i'm talking about. it's just falling victim to status seekers like many other good things that get diluted in the age of algorithms and social media. and unlike upmarket brands like ferrari who can choose their owners you get a lot of build maximizing dorks buying 911s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49991005) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:09 PM Author: bright old irish cottage why did you delete your op? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49991018) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:10 PM Author: cerebral main people locus there was nothing there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49991023) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:18 PM Author: bright old irish cottage my bad. i thought the post where you explain why was in the op (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49991057) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:09 PM Author: bright old irish cottage why do you want awd? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49991013) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 2:15 PM Author: Cracking set wagecucks cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49991041) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 3:33 PM Author: Saffron shrine volcanic crater I prefer my m8 comp coupe because it's 1 sec faster 0-60 and that's important to me
If you insist on manual with no turbo then no yours cannot be beat |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 6:22 PM Author: Cracking set wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49991824) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 5:57 PM Author: Zippy house fanboi I'd hold onto it. I really like driving 911s. I used to have a manual 997.2 Carrera S that I should have kept. I wouldn't buy a new one, though.
If you're not worried about depreciation or transaction costs, there are certainly more interesting used cars available around $100k. |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 6:22 PM Author: Cracking set wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49991823) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 10:22 AM Author: pea-brained mood dog poop They look cool but they are too loud. Sports cars are just too loud. I don't know how people can stand all that noise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49990502) |
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Date: July 10th, 2026 11:24 AM Author: Cracking set wagecucks vast majority of modern porsches are quiet unless modified (or they have a button to toggle quiet/loud). there's also a lot more sound isolation on them than there used to be as the modern buyer prefers more luxury/quiet as you describe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5881276&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#49990627) |
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