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What’s the cr Odyssey translation? Fitzgerald? Lattimore? Fagles?…
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Date: July 16th, 2026 11:19 AM Author: Vigorous Persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50003858) |
Date: July 16th, 2026 11:22 AM Author: Comical hell love of her life it's ... complicated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50003868) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 11:28 AM Author: Comical hell love of her life https://www.reddit.com/r/classics/comments/yrj49k/comparison_of_odyssey_translations/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50003893) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 12:58 PM Author: Electric chapel The Wilson translation seems the most IFNB-friendly, based on that excerpt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50004105) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 2:05 PM Author: Comical hell love of her life would make a great IFNB epic if only Hollywood has the courage. think of the Iliad scenes with Achilles and Patroclus. or in this Nolan version of the Odyssey they could have the soldiers spending the evening with their pal Sinon only to discover that he is a man with a vagina. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50004258) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 11:58 AM Author: dashing chocolate potus Fagles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50003978) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 12:37 PM Author: Heady locale cuck the credited translation is Avi Coinblatt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50004065) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 1:09 PM Author: Zombie-like Buck-toothed Alpha Gaping https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1536602493672.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50004126) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 2:04 PM Author: Vigorous Persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50004257) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 12:56 PM Author: Electric chapel Fagles
Fitzgerald is way too dry |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 1:03 PM Author: dashing chocolate potus His translation of Sophocles is excellent too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50004114) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 1:09 PM Author: Electric chapel cr I think I have the penguin classics theban plays somewhere that uses his translation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50004124) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 1:06 PM Author: Zombie-like Buck-toothed Alpha Gaping sing to me of the man, muse the man of twists and turns driven time and again off course one he had plundered the hallowed heights of troy
many cities of men he saw and learned their minds many pains he suffered heartsick on the open sea fighting to save his life and bring his men home
but he could not save them, hard as he strove the recklessness of their own ways destroyed them all, the blind fools they devoured the cattle of the sun and the sun god wiped from sight the day of their return
launch out on the story, muse, daughter of zeus start from where you will sing for our time too |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 2:06 PM Author: Comical hell love of her life Emily Wilson (2018):"Tell me about a complicated man. / Muse, tell me how he wandered and was lost / When he had wrecked the holy town of Troy..."Focus: Fast, modern, and strictly adheres to iambic pentameter. It directly translates the Greek word polytropos as "complicated".
Robert Fagles (1996):"Sing to me of the man, Muse, the man of twists and turns / driven time and again off course, once he had plundered / the hallowed heights of Troy..."Focus: Grandiose, cinematic, and highly poetic. It captures the epic scale while using "twists and turns" to describe Odysseus's wily nature.
Richmond Lattimore (1965):"Tell me, Muse, of the man of many ways, who was driven / far journeys, after he had sacked the sacred citadel of Troy..."Focus: Academic and literal. It closely mirrors the original Greek sentence structure, making it a favorite for university study.
Robert Fitzgerald (1961):"Sing in me, Muse, and through me tell the story / of that man skilled in all ways of contending, the wanderer, harried for years on end, / after he plundered the stronghold on the proud height of Troy."Focus: Lyrical and theatrical, often compared to Shakespearean verse. It frames Odysseus as a master of both battle and wits. |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 2:15 PM Author: dashing chocolate potus Directly translates poly (many) tropos (turns/ways) as "complicated". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50004288) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 11:30 PM Author: dashing chocolate potus Whats wild is noone has ever translated it that way. In the surviving fragments of the livius andronicus translation from the third century BCE it says "Virum mihi, Camena, insece versutum" -- Tell me, Camena, of the resourceful man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50005510) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 2:05 PM Author: Vigorous Persian I accidentally grabbed the Emily Wilson one and HFS that was embarrassing just to read the first page (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50004259) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 2:09 PM Author: Comical hell love of her life that's why up above i said the issue was ... "complicated." rather than praise Odysseus for his many-ways skills (polytropos) she goes with something you could almost hear her say in a feminist vocal fry: it's complicated. |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 2:18 PM Author: dashing chocolate potus Calling a man "complicated" is so femoid coded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50004290) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 2:33 PM Author: Comical hell love of her life https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/22/health/chronic-disease-maha-kennedy.html
Is There Really a Chronic Disease Epidemic? It’s Complicated. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wants to return the nation to a time when he believes Americans were healthier. Not so fast, many researchers say.
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By Bill Saporito
Mr. Saporito is an editor for Times Opinion who has attended seven World Cups — five men’s and two women’s — as a reporter and spectator.
==== The White House’s report criticized Ms. Hartig for several exhibitions at the museum. They included the 2020 exhibition “Girlhood (It’s Complicated),” which had pages from a transgender child’s diary; the 2023 exhibition “Entertainment Nation,” which described Alexander Hamilton as “flawed,” in part because he owned slaves; and an initiative that had museum staff traveling to places including Mexico City to study the work of immigrant rights activists.
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Date: July 16th, 2026 2:37 PM Author: Vigorous Persian GFD (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50004326) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 2:54 PM Author: Zombie-like Buck-toothed Alpha Gaping there's a lot to unpack (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50004338) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 2:08 PM Author: kink-friendly trailer park There are a lot of good ones. Fagles is the looser but more vivid classic, while lattimore is more stately, I would say. Not a classic, but I really like the recent one by stephen mitchell. Do not, under any circumstances, read Wilson. Her Iliad is better, but not by much |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 2:33 PM Author: Elite misanthropic resort boltzmann Lattimore and it isn't close. But T.E. Shaw is the most PREFTIGIOUS and Pope is the most STRIVER. |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 2:54 PM Author: glittery chestnut space Pope is incredible Pick one of the other major prose versions based on vibes and it will be fine |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 3:12 PM Author: dashing chocolate potus He has to be the greatest English versifier who ever lived. That said, it is really difficult for me to get into the Augustan style and register. Haven't been able to get through it. But I'm sure if you force yourself to adjust it's 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50004357) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 11:47 PM Author: glittery chestnut space I read a prose translation alongside it, so I'd read a book or half-book from that first, then the Pope. That way I knew what was going on and could focus more on Pope's use of language and stuff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50005528) |
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Date: July 17th, 2026 12:00 AM Author: Vigorous Persian I went to a used bookstore near me and they only had the Fitzgerald but I’m liking it so far, feels very prestigious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5883205&forum_id=2ﾃ｢竄ï½���„1¤77PHPSESSID=3d8e678aec504db068978830e992758d#50005555) |