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Why was Goldeneye popular on the N64 but not Perfect Dark?

Everyone played Goldeneye on the N64, which retroactively wo...
Hideous Ocher Pozpig Sex Offender
  03/19/26
Losers and Scumbags couldn't afford the N64 Expansion Pack ...
jade base
  03/19/26
Majora's Mask and Donkey Kong 64 also required it and they w...
Hideous Ocher Pozpig Sex Offender
  03/20/26
Didn't it come with some game
lemon gas station
  03/20/26
I think it came with that Rogue Squadron Game
Wonderful effete business firm volcanic crater
  03/21/26
it didn't iirc but that game benefited a lot from it. it was...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/21/26
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/916387-nintendo-64/7954...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/20/26
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supple athletic conference stage
  03/21/26
if you started jabbering about Perfect Dark and playing agai...
Hyperventilating Comical House Goal In Life
  03/20/26
Little do these people know they’re playing partially ...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/20/26
By the time perfect dark was out we had half life on pc plus...
lemon gas station
  03/20/26
This is cr
submissive state party of the first part
  03/20/26
System Link was getting a lot bigger during this time. my bu...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/21/26
Perfect Dark was just Goldeneye without the cool Bond shit, ...
ivory hall legend
  03/20/26
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vigorous massive shrine
  03/20/26
That game sucked so much
maroon selfie
  03/20/26
TWINE was on N64 too and I have very fond memories of playin...
Bright forum sound barrier
  03/20/26
The PlayStation TWINE was a horrible single player only game...
maroon selfie
  03/20/26
Oh that's terrible, the campaign on N64 was enjoyable to me ...
Bright forum sound barrier
  03/20/26
alien resurrection for PS1 was the premier console fps of th...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/21/26
PS1 didn't start with dual analog which is why it lost the g...
Bright forum sound barrier
  03/21/26
100,000,000k units shipped, champ
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/21/26
Nobody cares about numbers, everyone remembers the cultural ...
Bright forum sound barrier
  03/21/26
Final Fantasy 7 ... zero cultural impact. lmao
jade base
  03/21/26
You get one weird jrpg that only Nerds care about. Meanwhile...
Bright forum sound barrier
  03/21/26
Bro, I kept my games. I can physically look at the libraries...
jade base
  03/21/26
I mean the slate kind of got wiped clean in a way over the y...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/21/26
"FF7 and JRPG's fall from grace" The recent GOT...
jade base
  03/21/26
"GOTY" as decided by GenX and elder millennial jou...
Bright forum sound barrier
  03/21/26
Over 5 million copies sold. 96% positive steam rating. I thi...
jade base
  03/21/26
When I last looked at metrics FF7R showed a high % completin...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/21/26
Um expedition 33 didn’t get accolades for its gameplay...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/21/26
makes no sense, anime is more popular than ever but jrpgs li...
Hideous Ocher Pozpig Sex Offender
  03/21/26
DQ never really caught on in the west. The NES game did well...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/21/26
NightFire was great, it just wasn't GoldenEye level of great...
at-the-ready disturbing masturbator
  03/20/26
It had a short haired female protagonist. You’re suppo...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/20/26
...
angry offensive field international law enforcement agency
  03/20/26
Xbox was never in it this gen
jade base
  03/20/26
N64 was doomed the moment it decided to use cartridges when ...
at-the-ready disturbing masturbator
  03/20/26
This is reductive af imho. The N64 is a cut-down Silicon Gra...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/21/26
chatgpt
lemon gas station
  03/21/26
it's all fucking true imho
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/21/26
Use your own words champ
lemon gas station
  03/23/26
Goldeneye was social
Hateful stirring casino
  03/20/26
...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/20/26
Got into Time Splitters is that related?
well-lubricated olive station
  03/20/26
Only Low Losers played timesplitters. You had Halo and CS to...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/20/26
Which clique(s) gravitated toward Sim Cities versus Command ...
vigorous massive shrine
  03/20/26
Band kids
lemon gas station
  03/20/26
Simcity is liberal arts/Losers. C&C /RTS are Nerds
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/20/26
I didn’t play some of those, mainly due to some prior ...
well-lubricated olive station
  03/20/26
...
wild theatre water buffalo
  03/20/26
Level design was a lot better in goldeneye. Perfect dark had...
milky domesticated den
  03/21/26
this is wrong. first of all you're right that the levels kin...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/21/26
The World is not Enough on n64 had Bond and all the characte...
milky domesticated den
  03/21/26
I just played the decompiled perfect dark port on PC this mo...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/21/26
Bond is cool, girl with a gun not so much. I loved the Hacie...
Cream bateful people who are hurt foreskin
  03/21/26
Seems not relevant now but Bond was very cool at the time.
Balding sneaky criminal
  03/21/26
Daniel Craig might've Ruined Bond. He's Gen X. and 5`10``. r...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/21/26
I think the problems were: (i) it came out 3 years later...
smoky talking home
  03/21/26
by the time perfect dark came out we were all playing counte...
Mauve duck-like school cafeteria clown
  03/21/26
People didn’t really play counter strike in early 2000...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/21/26
my memory is that tfc was king for maybe 18-24 months and th...
Mauve duck-like school cafeteria clown
  03/22/26
Cr. Tfc was the better game imo. CS was big with minorities ...
lemon gas station
  03/23/26
Didn't Perfect Dark have you play as a woman who didn't have...
amethyst vibrant location sandwich
  03/21/26
LTM loved it bc it was extremely Liberal
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/21/26
She wears a cute frock in that one mission https://imgbb.com...
Topaz feces church
  03/22/26
perfect dark was kind of ttt. there was so much hype about i...
seedy white sanctuary
  03/22/26
Also the difference between 1997 and 2000 was Huge. They use...
Amber multi-colored hominid abode
  03/23/26
anybody else play BZFlag
trip nursing home
  03/23/26


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Date: March 19th, 2026 5:11 PM
Author: Hideous Ocher Pozpig Sex Offender

Everyone played Goldeneye on the N64, which retroactively won the gen btw, but half these people don’t know about Perfect Dark.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49756200)



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Date: March 19th, 2026 5:21 PM
Author: jade base

Losers and Scumbags couldn't afford the N64 Expansion Pack

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/198275-perfect-dark/57132231

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49756236)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 1:36 PM
Author: Hideous Ocher Pozpig Sex Offender

Majora's Mask and Donkey Kong 64 also required it and they were popular

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49757675)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 1:48 PM
Author: lemon gas station

Didn't it come with some game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49757717)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 9:45 AM
Author: Wonderful effete business firm volcanic crater

I think it came with that Rogue Squadron Game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758956)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:10 AM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

it didn't iirc but that game benefited a lot from it. it was playable without it but didn't look good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758974)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 2:26 PM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/916387-nintendo-64/79549524

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49757818)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 9:48 AM
Author: supple athletic conference stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758958)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 9:56 AM
Author: Hyperventilating Comical House Goal In Life

if you started jabbering about Perfect Dark and playing against the bots in multiplayer, you would self-out as a Loser playing by yourself. ask me how i know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49757073)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 2:33 PM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

Little do these people know they’re playing partially against bots on COD when people drop imho.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49757847)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 1:40 PM
Author: lemon gas station

By the time perfect dark was out we had half life on pc plus dreamcast games and I remember smash bros being the better local multiplayer pick. I think people were tiring of 15 fps split screen controller fps gaming

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49757692)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 2:23 PM
Author: submissive state party of the first part

This is cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49757804)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:36 AM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

System Link was getting a lot bigger during this time. my buddy used to have games in his Bonus Room with multiple PS1s and multiple TVs. another buddy was doing LAN parties.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49759006)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 1:50 PM
Author: ivory hall legend

Perfect Dark was just Goldeneye without the cool Bond shit, no point in it.

I think there was a Playstation The World Is Not Enough game that some people naively thought we be good that fell on its face

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49757722)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:30 PM
Author: vigorous massive shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758320)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:31 PM
Author: maroon selfie

That game sucked so much

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758322)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:41 PM
Author: Bright forum sound barrier

TWINE was on N64 too and I have very fond memories of playing it on local multiplayer, I'm sure you're thinking of SPS nightfire

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758340)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:46 PM
Author: maroon selfie

The PlayStation TWINE was a horrible single player only game

I’m very fond of Nightfire multiplayer although the single player campaign was meh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758347)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:48 PM
Author: Bright forum sound barrier

Oh that's terrible, the campaign on N64 was enjoyable to me but I can see PlayStation controls and graphics messing that up. Of course the multiplayer was the main attraction too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758351)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:11 AM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

alien resurrection for PS1 was the premier console fps of that gen actually. nothing wrong with ps1 controls. dual analog, champ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758976)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 2:05 PM
Author: Bright forum sound barrier

PS1 didn't start with dual analog which is why it lost the gen. N64 analog was a game changer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49759490)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 2:27 PM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

100,000,000k units shipped, champ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49759547)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 3:47 PM
Author: Bright forum sound barrier

Nobody cares about numbers, everyone remembers the cultural impact. PS1 had Z.E.R.O. everyone has fond memories of Mario kart, GoldenEye, and DK64

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49759708)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:12 PM
Author: jade base

Final Fantasy 7 ... zero cultural impact. lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49759751)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:18 PM
Author: Bright forum sound barrier

You get one weird jrpg that only Nerds care about. Meanwhile don't of my best college memories revolve around beerio kart with hot sorority girls and my absolute boys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49759758)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:36 PM
Author: jade base

Bro, I kept my games. I can physically look at the libraries. There were 10 or less N64 games worth owning. Aboit 60-80 PS1 games worth owning. Don't even try to pump up a system so bad that the release of "Quest 64" was treated as an event because it had nothing else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49759786)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:24 PM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

I mean the slate kind of got wiped clean in a way over the years. japanese games kind of caught a lot of flak during the Scum zeitgeist of the 360. then indies came. there are zoomers who have never played a japanese game, ever, if they're not into anime or something. The remake game which I bought with extreme millennial enthusiasm are selling about as well as Octopath Traveler or something. FF7 and JRPG's fall from grace is one of the many reasons PS1 lost the gen retroactively imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49759771)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:38 PM
Author: jade base

"FF7 and JRPG's fall from grace"

The recent GOTY is a JRPG that imitates classic final fantasy games better than current final fantasy games do. Your move, Champ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49759791)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 5:46 PM
Author: Bright forum sound barrier

"GOTY" as decided by GenX and elder millennial journos. Zoomers and Alpha have no concept of this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49759952)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 5:52 PM
Author: jade base

Over 5 million copies sold. 96% positive steam rating. I think it's overrated but it was a commercial and critical success. Your move, AAA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49759959)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 6:43 PM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

When I last looked at metrics FF7R showed a high % completing it and getting trophies and shit. Zeitgeist games like COE33 or Baldirs Gate 3 no matter how good they are had far less impact on those 5 million than you’d expect

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49760088)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 6:41 PM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

Um expedition 33 didn’t get accolades for its gameplay, like at all. It’s revered for basically existing and being Indie and offering a reprieve. The budget, you ask? The price, you ask?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49760084)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 5:56 PM
Author: Hideous Ocher Pozpig Sex Offender

makes no sense, anime is more popular than ever but jrpgs like FF and Dragon Quest have fallen. Although those "gacha" games are popular now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49759970)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 6:45 PM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

DQ never really caught on in the west. The NES game did well but they didn’t try to keep it going consistently.

FF got roasted by Scumfuck opiate addicted westerners. Get in a Time Machine. 2007-2014 before shit started getting gay and zoomery, Scumfuck westerners, FPSs, and open worlds were EVERYTHING. Young millennials never really got into JRPGs. It’s a genre for people born like 1980-1989. FF13’s release and shitty review scores were a “your move, Japan 😏” moment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49760097)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 6:23 PM
Author: at-the-ready disturbing masturbator

NightFire was great, it just wasn't GoldenEye level of greatnest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758431)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 2:18 PM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

It had a short haired female protagonist. You’re supposed to pretend she doesn’t have short hair or something. She looks like Jamie Lynn Curtis.

It was an ambitious game in some ways but the actual campaign is nothing special.

Any and all good will for n64 died in a slow fade after OOT’s release. It was competitive with PS1 early on but then just fell way way behind in 99 kind of like Xbox on the current gen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49757788)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:05 PM
Author: angry offensive field international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758265)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:39 PM
Author: jade base

Xbox was never in it this gen

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758335)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 6:25 PM
Author: at-the-ready disturbing masturbator

N64 was doomed the moment it decided to use cartridges when every other system was using CD's

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758434)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:56 AM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

This is reductive af imho. The N64 is a cut-down Silicon Graphics pipeline where you author the graphics front end in microcode on the RSP, schedule your own DMA against high-bandwidth but finicky RDRAM, and feed a z-buffered, perspective-correct rasterizer that expects you not to starve it. the cartridge isn’t the story, it’s a deterministic, memory-mapped, low-latency bus that lets you page world data in kilobyte slices with predictable timing which is something optical drives of the era simply cannot do without hiding it behind loads. what separated outcomes was whether a studio could operate a software-defined pipeline under tight memory. the teams that could produced contiguous worlds and stable 3D with minimal I/O theatrics; the teams that couldn’t preferred CD systems that trade control for bulk content.

Without Cartridges, you strip out what made it distinct. the system was built around immediacy and cartridges enabled that. swap in a CD drive and now you’re dealing with delays, buffering, and load-hiding tricks, so instead of tightening the experience you just make it feel like a worse PlayStation with bigger assets. more storage doesn’t fix the core tradeoffs. A CD-N64 is still a hard target because the difficulty is architectural, not media. you’re still feeding a microcode-driven front end and explicitly scheduling DMA against RDRAM; now you’ve just introduced optical I/O latency on top, so you’re buffering around seeks while trying not to stall the RSP/RDP pipeline. compared to the PlayStation, which offers a simpler, more fixed path, you’re still writing closer to the metal and paying for mistakes in stalls. and for 2D it’s still a mismatch. there’s no rich sprite pipeline; everything is textured quads through the 3D path with tiny TMEM and tight RAM. ports like SOTN, xenogears, X-Men vs. Street Fighter, or Mega Man X4 still require reworking asset formats, streaming, and rendering. more disc space doesn’t remove that friction. and I say this as someone who has been critical of Nintendo in the past.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49759033)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 11:38 AM
Author: lemon gas station

chatgpt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49759088)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 2:27 PM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

it's all fucking true imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49759546)



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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:46 PM
Author: lemon gas station

Use your own words champ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49762735)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 2:25 PM
Author: Hateful stirring casino

Goldeneye was social

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49757812)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:27 PM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758315)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:32 PM
Author: well-lubricated olive station

Got into Time Splitters is that related?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758323)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:35 PM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

Only Low Losers played timesplitters. You had Halo and CS to choose from. You made your bed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758329)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:45 PM
Author: vigorous massive shrine

Which clique(s) gravitated toward Sim Cities versus Command and Conquers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758344)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:48 PM
Author: lemon gas station

Band kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758352)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 6:34 PM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

Simcity is liberal arts/Losers. C&C /RTS are Nerds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758454)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 6:41 PM
Author: well-lubricated olive station

I didn’t play some of those, mainly due to some prior stuff on this site called Heat.net

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758473)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 6:42 PM
Author: wild theatre water buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2ГѓЖ’#49758476)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 9:27 AM
Author: milky domesticated den

Level design was a lot better in goldeneye. Perfect dark had some cool levels near the beginning but the second half maps were way way too large. It became tedious. Quick gun battles with tons of enemies in tight spaces are what made Goldeneye great and perfect dark sacrificed that for better graphics and larger spaces. That left less compute power for enemies on screen. Blood splatter was cool but aliens were boring enemies. Perfect dark’s extra features were cool (gun range, secondary weapon feature) but these are really minor elements compared to level design.

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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:28 AM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

this is wrong. first of all you're right that the levels kind of sucked. but goldeneye had a couple of huge levels too with Severnaya. and if Streets were a perfect dark level where you drove an alien vehicle instead of a tank we'd probably be like "this sucks."

with that said, contemporaneously as an n64 kid, perfect dark was like "wow they have Voices, it's like PS1, Cartridges may have hope after all," plus high res graphics, black president so it was popular with Liberals like you. it was probably the most Liberal N64 game.

second whenever anyone discusses the goldeneye vs perfect dark question they're talking about the multiplayer. if you count all of the people who played goldeneye multiplayer for 25+ hours, a minority % actually owned and beat the game or spent any significant amount of time on single player. perfect dark had better multiplayer on paper but it was marginally better. there was no reason to switch. and the Scumbags who played goldeneye didn't want to play as a short haired Woman or an alien.

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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:56 AM
Author: milky domesticated den

The World is not Enough on n64 had Bond and all the characters from the movie and it sucked compared to goldeneye. Kind of silly to make this a lib vs con thing. Even the long levels in goldeneye were way smaller than perfect dark. Level design applies to multiplayer. Levels were too big in perfect dark. Better graphics also meant fewer enemies on screen which killed the fun gunfights in single player. The second half of perfect dark had levels that were 5x longer than goldeneye.

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Date: March 21st, 2026 11:15 AM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

I just played the decompiled perfect dark port on PC this month. the level after Air Force One crashes is big. there are a few big levels but not as many as you're remembering. others are pretty small. there's one on board air force one that's small. there are levels indoors in corridors and basements. there's a submarine level. The Area 51 level is big but it's all corridors, you can't really get lost in it too badly.

The late game levels with the aliens kind of suck. I mean they feel like some shit from a Quake or Turok game but not quite that shitty.

Anyway you're way overemphasizing the single player in any event. the single player was something you did in one shot like 5 hours by yourself. If you had fuck all to do and were alone you tried for the higher difficulties and cheats. But when people talk about 'goldeneye vs perfect dark' they are talking about the multiplayer. if you were a Loser with Loser Friends you put in like 25-100x more time into the multiplayer. thats what people are talking about. You were some sort of Liberal Only Child living in a Brownstone or a Tenement or something.



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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:33 AM
Author: Cream bateful people who are hurt foreskin

Bond is cool, girl with a gun not so much. I loved the Hacienda level though.

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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:39 AM
Author: Balding sneaky criminal

Seems not relevant now but Bond was very cool at the time.

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Date: March 21st, 2026 11:16 AM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

Daniel Craig might've Ruined Bond. He's Gen X. and 5`10``. really he seems like he might not even be 5`10```.

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Date: March 21st, 2026 3:53 PM
Author: smoky talking home

I think the problems were:

(i) it came out 3 years later - which is a lot of time. if you played it in sophomore year of high school with your friends, everyone was in college when the sequel came out

(ii) it's not a direct sequel - so there's a bit of a learning curve. it's not like mario kart where you can just pick it up console to console and use your favorite character doing basically the same strategy

(iii) Halo comes out a year later and people just play that

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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:32 PM
Author: Mauve duck-like school cafeteria clown

by the time perfect dark came out we were all playing counterstrike, team fortress classic, quake iii arena, etc.

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Date: March 21st, 2026 6:50 PM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

People didn’t really play counter strike in early 2000. CS was still in beta when PD released. Before like 1.3 I feel like team fortress was more popular. This is literally impossible to verify.

But still pc fps existed and this was before people got used to buying the same game over and over again. You also had PS1 doing well, Dreamcast making n64 look shitty too.

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Date: March 22nd, 2026 1:50 PM
Author: Mauve duck-like school cafeteria clown

my memory is that tfc was king for maybe 18-24 months and then counterstrike was more popular

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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:45 PM
Author: lemon gas station

Cr. Tfc was the better game imo. CS was big with minorities for some reason

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Date: March 21st, 2026 6:52 PM
Author: amethyst vibrant location sandwich

Didn't Perfect Dark have you play as a woman who didn't have huge, boxy tits? That's probably why the video game market back then, which was nothing but incense, didn't play it.

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Date: March 21st, 2026 7:06 PM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

LTM loved it bc it was extremely Liberal

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Date: March 22nd, 2026 1:54 PM
Author: Topaz feces church

She wears a cute frock in that one mission https://imgbb.com/JjZV1q9S

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Date: March 22nd, 2026 2:13 PM
Author: seedy white sanctuary

perfect dark was kind of ttt. there was so much hype about it everyone saying it was going to be the next goldeneye. I ended up getting it and it was some jank ass game you play 2 times and give up. I just didn't like it. It wasn't fun.

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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:43 PM
Author: Amber multi-colored hominid abode

Also the difference between 1997 and 2000 was Huge. They used to actually make games back then so it was like the whole industry and State of Gaming had changed

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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:40 PM
Author: trip nursing home

anybody else play BZFlag

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