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Why are Flock cameras “bad” again?

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greedy adventurous step-uncle's house
  08/28/26
What exactly is your understanding of what they do. (Point d...
Motley theater
  08/28/26
Track license plates and cars
greedy adventurous step-uncle's house
  08/28/26
https://www.wired.com/story/flock-safety-os-investigate/
Motley theater
  08/28/26
So it’s even better at catching criminals than I&rsquo...
greedy adventurous step-uncle's house
  08/28/26
Surely that is all they ever have and ever will be used for....
Violent mind-boggling pozpig
  08/29/26
who has the credibility to police and spy on us? this would ...
Sooty shrine
  08/28/26
It would be a good way for the police to find and apprehend ...
greedy adventurous step-uncle's house
  08/28/26
Brits have cameras on every corner and yet mudslides get awa...
swashbuckling garrison
  08/28/26
"Only used against whites ime" EPAH: "why ...
carmine glittery gas station genital piercing
  08/28/26
who makes and enforces the Law? why do you trust these peopl...
Sooty shrine
  08/28/26
big government is always shitlib whether its "democrat&...
carmine glittery gas station genital piercing
  08/28/26
Epah is pro flock camera?????
swashbuckling garrison
  08/28/26
Until someone explains why they’re bad
greedy adventurous step-uncle's house
  08/28/26
how would you feel if a "right wing" government ca...
carmine glittery gas station genital piercing
  08/28/26
They don’t put them in your house do they?
greedy adventurous step-uncle's house
  08/28/26
they're on every corner outside your house
carmine glittery gas station genital piercing
  08/28/26
Not in my neighborhood. We don’t really have criminals...
greedy adventurous step-uncle's house
  08/28/26
That’s because you have Flock and Ring cameras coverin...
harsh casino
  08/28/26
believe it or not, they do. it's worse: they have a bug next...
buck-toothed adulterous trailer park
  08/28/26
Should be a reflexing no from a lib like you You really...
swashbuckling garrison
  08/28/26
his one bright spot is being pro-free speech
carmine glittery gas station genital piercing
  08/28/26
Prob just for blackmail purposes
swashbuckling garrison
  08/28/26
Nobody not perverse wants surveillance equipment everywhere
cordovan range
  08/28/26
Is GunnerATTT around today? Here's how I look at it: The...
greedy adventurous step-uncle's house
  08/28/26
Date: August 28th, 2026 8:46 PM Author: Emotionally + Physi...
swashbuckling garrison
  08/28/26
You'll NEVER be GunnerATTT okay?
greedy adventurous step-uncle's house
  08/28/26
I can't tell how serious that suggestion is. Seems like flam...
Appetizing naked orchestra pit
  08/29/26
They track endangered Flocks of birds for hunters
Godawful medicated toaster
  08/28/26
I don't think anyone thinks that they are bad now. I thi...
Slap-happy giraffe
  08/28/26
I think they're bad. I generally think mass surveillance is...
Alcoholic Depressive
  08/28/26
Libs banned car chases in a lot of places after the summer o...
Sepia passionate fortuitous meteor liquid oxygen
  08/28/26
Cops go to houses by looking up the address from the plate r...
greedy adventurous step-uncle's house
  08/29/26
Let's look up the address to this obviously stolen vehicle
swashbuckling garrison
  08/29/26
They stopped police chases because cops and bystanders get k...
greedy adventurous step-uncle's house
  08/29/26
More dead pigs and goyim = good imo
swashbuckling garrison
  08/29/26
I "Back the Blue" FYI
greedy adventurous step-uncle's house
  08/29/26
Again this is the argument that radical pro crime leftists m...
Sepia passionate fortuitous meteor liquid oxygen
  08/29/26
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disgusting turdskin piazza
  08/29/26
because they are clearly feeding in real time location data ...
Rusted Confused Roommate Tanning Salon
  08/29/26
I'm an open book. They can even have my nudes if they want
greedy adventurous step-uncle's house
  08/29/26
Just the tip
Appetizing naked orchestra pit
  08/29/26
No body wants to see your 60 year old sagging ass
Sable Point
  08/29/26
and you cut your kids cocks off, I'm not sure we share the s...
Rusted Confused Roommate Tanning Salon
  08/29/26
https://x.com/chrisbrunet/status/2093903434722271608?s=20
provocative goyim son of senegal
  08/29/26
how does twitter get my 180 poast less engagement than a ham...
Rusted Confused Roommate Tanning Salon
  08/29/26
it's been up for like 11 minutes it will do well check a...
provocative goyim son of senegal
  08/29/26
Because people on Tik Tok say they are bad.
Soul-stirring hyperventilating place of business
  08/29/26
birdshits love being raped and murdered by niggas, these cam...
Multi-colored know-it-all meetinghouse mother
  08/29/26
This is another topic where lefty communist freaks and right...
Pearl Parlour
  08/29/26
We are all massively surveilled. Why not have a little more ...
Racy space ratface
  08/29/26
"Yes Daddy, please take more of my Right to Privacy&quo...
...,....,,........
  08/31/26
They're bad. 1. Police can hold on to info for upto 30 mo...
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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:43 PM
Author: greedy adventurous step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100170)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:48 PM
Author: Motley theater

What exactly is your understanding of what they do. (Point deduction if you have to google it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100185)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:49 PM
Author: greedy adventurous step-uncle's house

Track license plates and cars

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100190)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:50 PM
Author: Motley theater

https://www.wired.com/story/flock-safety-os-investigate/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100197)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:56 PM
Author: greedy adventurous step-uncle's house

So it’s even better at catching criminals than I’d thought?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100209)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 10:52 AM
Author: Violent mind-boggling pozpig

Surely that is all they ever have and ever will be used for. And surely their capabilities have hit a hard ceiling. And surely, because the scope of mass surveillance will not expand from here, this doesn't pose any foreseeable problems in reducing it in the future.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50101481)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:46 PM
Author: Sooty shrine

who has the credibility to police and spy on us? this would be a significant question if you majored in Philosophy instead of "Political Science".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100179)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:48 PM
Author: greedy adventurous step-uncle's house

It would be a good way for the police to find and apprehend criminals IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100187)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:49 PM
Author: swashbuckling garrison

Brits have cameras on every corner and yet mudslides get away with crimes daily still

Only used against whites ime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100191)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:50 PM
Author: carmine glittery gas station genital piercing

"Only used against whites ime"

EPAH: "why are flock cameras bad again?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100194)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:52 PM
Author: Sooty shrine

who makes and enforces the Law? why do you trust these people when you should Trust No One.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100202)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:52 PM
Author: carmine glittery gas station genital piercing

big government is always shitlib whether its "democrat" or "republican"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100205)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:48 PM
Author: swashbuckling garrison

Epah is pro flock camera?????

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100189)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:50 PM
Author: greedy adventurous step-uncle's house

Until someone explains why they’re bad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100193)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:51 PM
Author: carmine glittery gas station genital piercing

how would you feel if a "right wing" government came to power and spied on & harassed you until you de-transed your children?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100198)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:52 PM
Author: greedy adventurous step-uncle's house

They don’t put them in your house do they?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100206)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:53 PM
Author: carmine glittery gas station genital piercing

they're on every corner outside your house

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100207)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:57 PM
Author: greedy adventurous step-uncle's house

Not in my neighborhood. We don’t really have criminals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100210)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 9:30 PM
Author: harsh casino

That’s because you have Flock and Ring cameras covering every angle of your neighborhood.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100539)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 8:54 PM
Author: buck-toothed adulterous trailer park

believe it or not, they do. it's worse: they have a bug next to you while you sleep.

cell phones, smart watches, alexa, etc. are sending your data to palantir in realtime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100380)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:51 PM
Author: swashbuckling garrison

Should be a reflexing no from a lib like you

You really are just evil

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100199)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 7:51 PM
Author: carmine glittery gas station genital piercing

his one bright spot is being pro-free speech

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100201)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 8:06 PM
Author: swashbuckling garrison

Prob just for blackmail purposes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100226)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 8:43 PM
Author: cordovan range

Nobody not perverse wants surveillance equipment everywhere

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100334)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: greedy adventurous step-uncle's house

Is GunnerATTT around today?

Here's how I look at it: The cops could just go around kicking in the doors of people they don't like, but there are laws against that, and they'd get sued. So we can just make rules around how the collected information can be used, and let Sec. 1983 deal with any improper uses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100344)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: swashbuckling garrison

Date: August 28th, 2026 8:46 PM

Author: Emotionally + Physically Abusive Ex-Husband

Is GunnerATTT around today?

Here's how I look at it: The cops could just go around kicking in the doors of people they don't like, but there are laws against that, and they'd get sued. So we can just make rules around how the collected information can be used, and let Sec. 1983 deal with any improper uses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2#50100344)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100383)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 8:56 PM
Author: greedy adventurous step-uncle's house

You'll NEVER be GunnerATTT okay?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100387)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 1:02 AM
Author: Appetizing naked orchestra pit

I can't tell how serious that suggestion is. Seems like flame.

Flock cameras seem analogous to the data collection Eric Snowden exposed. Telephony data isn't private, the content of the communication is, so no invasion of privacy collecting that right? Maybe not before, but now that we can collect such a massive amount of it that we can reliably guess so many things about a person.

Sure, you don't expect to have privacy in a public place. However, you also don't expect to be observed so constantly that an algorithm can practically read your diary. There's also the issue that this is a private company. They could just sell your public location data to anyone, and suddenly you're getting ads for Starbucks because you looked at the sign yesterday but decided not to get any.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50101106)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 9:32 PM
Author: Godawful medicated toaster

They track endangered Flocks of birds for hunters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100549)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 10:10 PM
Author: Slap-happy giraffe

I don't think anyone thinks that they are bad now.

I think reasonable people are concerned that the elite class will figure out how to use them for bad reasons in the future.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50100685)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 11:52 PM
Author: Alcoholic Depressive

I think they're bad. I generally think mass surveillance is fucked up and used by the worst people for the worst reasons. In order to think it is good you have to trust the government.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50101026)



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Date: August 28th, 2026 11:57 PM
Author: Sepia passionate fortuitous meteor liquid oxygen

Libs banned car chases in a lot of places after the summer of Floyd and were like, hey you can just go their house <soy face>

But then the flock camera meant the cops could actually go to people’s houses so now they want to ban the cameras for privacy reasons to accomplish their original goal (increasing crime)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50101033)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 12:30 AM
Author: greedy adventurous step-uncle's house

Cops go to houses by looking up the address from the plate registration. Flock cameras don't tell them where the house is. Hth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50101072)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 12:31 AM
Author: swashbuckling garrison

Let's look up the address to this obviously stolen vehicle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50101075)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 12:34 AM
Author: greedy adventurous step-uncle's house

They stopped police chases because cops and bystanders get killed during chases.

TSINAH, me, and other bodycam fans see this all the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50101082)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 12:35 AM
Author: swashbuckling garrison

More dead pigs and goyim = good imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50101088)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 12:39 AM
Author: greedy adventurous step-uncle's house

I "Back the Blue" FYI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50101092)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 6:50 AM
Author: Sepia passionate fortuitous meteor liquid oxygen

Again this is the argument that radical pro crime leftists made to convince fair minded moderates such as yourself to stop the chases. They are now annoyed the cops have other ways of tracking down crime.

See also glossip v gross, Scalia, J. concurring, calling out libs that since the fifth amendment clearly contemplates the death penalty you can’t just ban it by claiming everyone method is “cruel” which is why public defenders are now asking for firing squads etc etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50101282)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 8:19 PM
Author: disgusting turdskin piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50102478)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 1:42 AM
Author: Rusted Confused Roommate Tanning Salon

because they are clearly feeding in real time location data into a massive ai that will track all of us forever and I'd rather not live in a dystopia, but hey that's just me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50101141)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 5:14 PM
Author: greedy adventurous step-uncle's house

I'm an open book. They can even have my nudes if they want

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50102139)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 5:26 PM
Author: Appetizing naked orchestra pit

Just the tip

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50102160)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 5:51 PM
Author: Sable Point

No body wants to see your 60 year old sagging ass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50102185)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 7:53 PM
Author: Rusted Confused Roommate Tanning Salon

and you cut your kids cocks off, I'm not sure we share the same values regarding freedom and not cutting cocks off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50102415)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 11:27 PM
Author: provocative goyim son of senegal

https://x.com/chrisbrunet/status/2093903434722271608?s=20

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50103091)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 11:40 PM
Author: Rusted Confused Roommate Tanning Salon

how does twitter get my 180 poast less engagement than a hamster in a wheel?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50103147)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 11:43 PM
Author: provocative goyim son of senegal

it's been up for like 11 minutes it will do well

check again in a couple of hours

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50103155)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 10:44 AM
Author: Soul-stirring hyperventilating place of business

Because people on Tik Tok say they are bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50101477)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 5:27 PM
Author: Multi-colored know-it-all meetinghouse mother

birdshits love being raped and murdered by niggas, these cameras cld interfere with that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50102161)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 9:24 PM
Author: Pearl Parlour

This is another topic where lefty communist freaks and rightoids fixated on Israel and "Epstein" converge in obsessing over. Normal people don't care.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5898478&forum_id=2ค1¤7PHPSESSID=188a95202f833e097d78c96d76bac3f6#50102679)



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Date: August 29th, 2026 11:44 PM
Author: Racy space ratface

We are all massively surveilled. Why not have a little more surveillance? Who cares?

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Date: August 31st, 2026 12:54 PM
Author: ...,....,,........

"Yes Daddy, please take more of my Right to Privacy"

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Date: August 31st, 2026 12:54 PM
Author: ...,....,,........

They're bad.

1. Police can hold on to info for upto 30 months;

2. ANY law enforcement agency can access the information without a subpoena or even a crime being committed;

3. Local govts don't have to be transparent about who has accessed it and for what purpose.

Imagine everytime you stepped out of your house, a Cop was taking a picture of your car and following you to wherever you drove for no fucking reason, but there wasn't shit you could say about it.

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