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Hitler didn’t have to fight the Russians in 1941 imho
| cowshit | 09/01/25 |
| cock of michael obama | 09/01/25 |
| cowshit | 09/01/25 |
| disco fries | 09/01/25 |
| cowshit | 09/01/25 |
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Date: September 1st, 2025 11:04 AM Author: cowshit He did not have to march east. He chose to. And in that choice he signed his ruin. The Russians did not seek him in 1941. They were rebuilding their broken army, still bleeding from the purges, still stumbling in Finland, still weak. They fed him oil and grain and iron, and he took it gladly. He had bread in his belly and fuel in his tanks because Stalin sent it.
If he had waited, if he had kept the pact, if he had strangled Britain first, there would have been no frozen graves at Stalingrad. The east would have stayed quiet, wary, but quiet. Stalin feared him then. He feared the German armies, feared the sky-darkening bombers, feared his own weakness.
But Hitler could not wait. He needed his war of soil and blood. He needed to prove himself a conqueror of continents. He broke the pact. He slit the vein that kept his war machine alive. He drove his columns into the Russian steppe, and he found there not a beaten people but a nation that would burn the earth itself before they bent to him.
He did not have to fight them. They would not have come for him in ’41. That was his madness. That was his doom. |
Date: September 1st, 2025 11:11 AM Author: cock of michael obama Icebreaker (Suvorov) thesis was true imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768425&forum_id=2#49228073) |
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Date: September 1st, 2025 11:14 AM Author: cowshit This is conventional wisdom by redditors. Whenever anyone asks any hypothetical there are always a bunch of neckbeards who appear out of nowhere who insist that everything would be The Same even if certain pivotal decisions were made differently. The entire war as it happened was utterly insane and unlikely all the way through. You could butterfly-effect the whole thing 6 different ways, but idiots on the internet lack imagination and just want everything to be The Same. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5768425&forum_id=2#49228081) |
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Date: September 1st, 2025 11:20 AM Author: disco fries (his own flesh as well as all space was still a cage) In 1941, I don't think that Hitler even wanted to wage an amphibious assault of Great Britain. He probably assumed the Brits would quit fighting at some point and his best bet for victory was to reunite all German lands under a "Third Reich" as fast as possible to be ready for the negotiation table that would end the entire conflict and set the new global order for the next 1,000 years. We look back on WWII as if in 1941 it was the great global conflict that it became, but it blew up after the entry of the United States in December 1941. |
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Date: September 1st, 2025 11:27 AM Author: cowshit There is a broader problem or blind spot rather from Hitler's perspective in that he did not know that the US existed. That's a massive blind spot imo: https://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5541359&mc=15&forum_id=2
He also seemed remarkably oblivious to the UK at Dunkirk in particular, where the army escaped and the historical record has no real idea why other than "there was no other way for it to have happened, of course they escaped and he didn't order them to be captured." |