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CLS: B+ B+ B; OCI Prospects?
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 8:23 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office For non-CLS students, 3.41 is top third, here. Mine is 3.22. 3.2 is median.
Aprox. rank of firms for OCI? Is median screwed completely? Hopefully, it will be higher this semester. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 8:33 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office You guys are usually all over these types of threads. Is Bar Review early this week? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14005688) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 8:34 PM Author: adventurous locus knife Median is not screwed completely, but if I were you I would bust ass and try to get stone. Srsly, I would cut a bitch if I had to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14005704) |
Date: February 3rd, 2010 8:33 PM Author: Vivacious federal bbw Doesn't CLS provide 1Ls with historical GPA cutoffs or ranges for the firms doing OCI? Obviously that would be the place to start. I think it's reasonable to assume that you're not likely to land V10, debevoise, w&c, munger, or irell. What you should be shooting for is a middling v100 (or best of the rest) firm that offered a respectable portion of last year's class and doesn't seem to be in a precarious financial position (e.g., Jones Day). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14005690) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 8:38 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office Best of the rest already? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14005748) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 8:38 PM Author: Sooty massive stock car toilet seat Beggars can't be choosers, dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14005756) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 8:42 PM Author: Big canary parlour jap Where is the curve info coming from? Do you know where 25% is? 10%? 5%?
I heard that medians last year struggled a bit - a complete hit or miss. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 8:45 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office I thought historically 3.2 was about median at CLS. Stone is top third which is 3.41. That is where I am getting that number. I am not 100% sure on the median number, but I heard as much from on here and some other sites and 2Ls. Might be inaccurate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14005832) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 8:47 PM Author: Big canary parlour jap Cool thanks.
Do you have work experience in finance or biglaw? I heard from more than a few median 2L's that that made a difference. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 8:50 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office Nada. Hopefully, I will be able to pull it up to Stone next semester. I need quite a few A-s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14005885) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 8:53 PM Author: Big canary parlour jap Goodluck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14005921) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 8:57 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office Thanks. I will try hard! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14005974) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:07 PM Author: Red den yarmulke you aren't screwed, but you need to do really well this semester. you are pretty much at median right now, and need to get yourself near, if not at, stone. some A's or A-'s on the transcript, even if you don't make stone, will help a lot come OCI.
median might get you biglaw or you might get blanked. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:10 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office If I get Stone or really close to Stone, what is the credited firm rank for OCI? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006099) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:11 PM Author: stubborn parlor double fault Stone in old econ = V10. New economy, I have 0 idea. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006108) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:13 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office Well, how did Stone do this past season? T50? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006129) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:13 PM Author: stubborn parlor double fault Don't know, T6 '09 grad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006133) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:14 PM Author: stubborn parlor double fault Also, don't think some faggot at cleary shouldn't be worried about their job. We're all in trouble. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006139) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:16 PM Author: adventurous locus knife It was all over the place. I got 2 V-10's but not many V-50's and know many others who had a similar experience. Selectivity this year wasn't just about rank but also about how many (or how few) SA's a given firm was hiring. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006156) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:18 PM Author: stubborn parlor double fault Congrats. So much of law now is luck of the draw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006172) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:20 PM Author: adventurous locus knife Sure seems that way. Bidding was all over the place too. I know people who got ~25 screeners and others who got 12. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006196) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:20 PM Author: stubborn parlor double fault When I interview people this fall, if they make a xoxo reference, I will give them top marks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006208) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:25 PM Author: adventurous locus knife XO needs a secret hand shake or something.
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:29 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office I'm always seeking connections at interviews. If I could bring in an XOXO connection, that would be brilliant! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006317) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:24 PM Author: Sooty massive stock car toilet seat Definitely true. For example, I know a couple people who got WLRK/W&C last year, but I don't know anyone at all who got CSM. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006258) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:20 PM Author: Sooty massive stock car toilet seat V50? It doesn't really work like that. When it comes to selectivity you have maybe four tiers of firms:
1: WLRK, W&C, etc. 2: CSM, S&C, DPW, Deb, etc. 3: Skadden, Weil, etc. 4: The rest
I would imagine that stone was good enough for 3 and 4 last season. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:21 PM Author: stubborn parlor double fault CSM is not as selective as they would have you believe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006221) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:26 PM Author: Sooty massive stock car toilet seat You think CSM is less selective than S&C, DPW, or Deb? That seems unlikely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006281) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:15 PM Author: Red den yarmulke same here. it used to be easy street. now i think it means you get a job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006151) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:19 PM Author: aromatic center This is too early to post this stuff. Worry about getting good grades this semester. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006186) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:20 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office It's helpful to compare notes. OCS apparently has no numbers on this, which I find so hard to believe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006210) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:20 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office How many CBs did it take to get offers for you guys? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006199) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:20 PM Author: Big canary parlour jap I don't mean to derail... but did LR people do ok? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006207) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:21 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office I knew a girl on LR who got CBs and offers at all her firms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006217) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:22 PM Author: Big canary parlour jap Figures..... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006227) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:23 PM Author: adventurous locus knife Rumor is that two LRs didn't get jobs. I know one of them for a fact and I'm not surprised at all that this person didn't get a job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006242) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:24 PM Author: Big canary parlour jap Personality? Bad grades (pure write-on)? Completely lacking in common sense? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006260) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:26 PM Author: adventurous locus knife Not Grades or common sense, def personality and appearance (emphasis on appearance). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006286) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:28 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office Did not dress up? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006306) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:30 PM Author: adventurous locus knife lipstick on a pig (or more accurately, lipstick on Jabba the Hutt) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006327) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:30 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office Sarah Palin? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006338) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:31 PM Author: Red den yarmulke wow, can someone really be that ugly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006349) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:34 PM Author: adventurous locus knife Bring me Solo and the Wookiee. They will all suffer for this outrage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006378) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:29 PM Author: vibrant cruise ship I know who you're talking about, bro. Yeah, someone really can be that big. Also, her personality isn't winning her any fans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14025852) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:28 PM Author: Red den yarmulke haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006308) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:29 PM Author: Sooty massive stock car toilet seat wtf? I've never heard of anyone getting shut out as a consequence of their weight or acne scars. Or was it a remediable issue that betrayed a total lack of professionalism? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006316) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:31 PM Author: adventurous locus knife bad personality + BMI of 45 + ITE = ding. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006346) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:37 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office I have met some ugly and portly attorneys who are happily employed, though... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006406) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:39 PM Author: Sooty massive stock car toilet seat High grades + LR is usually enough to overcome even the worst personality. Unless the person dresses slovenly, I have a hard time believing firms really cared THAT much about his/her appearance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006432) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:45 PM Author: adventurous locus knife TBF, it's subconscious and It is the only explanation. She has really high grades and is on LR. I saw her at EIP and she was dressed fine, but she has a really abrasive personality and is orca fat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006510) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:46 PM Author: Buff Nubile Locale Corn Cake where did you end up working (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006522) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:49 PM Author: adventurous locus knife One of the top lit firms, that's as specific as I'll get. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006568) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:52 PM Author: Buff Nubile Locale Corn Cake oh noes he might be trying to out me!!11 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006605) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:56 PM Author: adventurous locus knife nah, but I'd rather not out myself (especially in a thread in which I compared a classmate to a Hutt). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006659) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:51 PM Author: Sooty massive stock car toilet seat I believe you, but this has to be an exceptionally rare case. I'm pretty sure that every single person on LR at my CCN landed something decent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006593) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:26 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office Poor social skills? It amazes me sometimes the lack of social grace some people have at CLS. I've gone to one or two of the firm events, and some of the students NEVER approach an attorney. I don't understand the point of going if you don't make an effort. I know those things are minuscule in helping to get a job, but at least don't waste your time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006288) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:28 PM Author: Big canary parlour jap Wine, food, and the joy of watching a bunch of awkward people be awkward. Totally worth it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006300) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:30 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office I'm not much of a spectator, I guess. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006325) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2010 9:28 PM Author: adventurous locus knife Having a good personality is a huge bonus, but in order for personality to be a potent negative you have to be a serious chode. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14006309) |
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Date: February 4th, 2010 12:31 PM Author: Lascivious internal respiration friendly grandma These type of threads hae ignored the impact of transfer students. Thsi year there was like 50-60. I would say 80% of that wanted Biglaw got it. So just factor that into your equations. I doubt they will take half that for Fall 2010. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14012325) |
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Date: February 4th, 2010 3:55 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office So, you think transfer students make it more or less difficult for me to get a job? You think they will take fewer transfer students this time season? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14014125) |
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Date: February 4th, 2010 5:00 PM Author: twinkling thriller hospital depends on when the transfers were admitted. many are admitted after bidding is over. for them, eip was over before it even began. they got no screening interviews, and were asking for them at hospitality suites. very sad that cls does this, but it happens.
i dont know, proportionately, how many transfers are admitted before and after bidding, but i doubt they take too many jobs from EIP. |
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Date: February 4th, 2010 5:41 PM Author: Buff Nubile Locale Corn Cake if that's true, then that's fucking bullshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14015403) |
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Date: February 4th, 2010 5:43 PM Author: adventurous locus knife You think CLS is going to take fewer transfers? Why would they do that, considering transfers are paying full ticket? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14015423) |
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Date: February 4th, 2010 5:59 PM Author: Buff Nubile Locale Corn Cake of course they won't, especially if there's no risk of them affecting eip chances for everyone else (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14015591) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 8:33 AM Author: adventurous locus knife They don't care about everyone else's EIP chances. In fact, if it's true that transfers do better at EIP than regular students, then by bringing them in they actually improve their employment stats (when expressed as a percent employed or USNEWS income percentile). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14031498) |
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Date: February 4th, 2010 7:03 PM Author: apoplectic wrinkle meetinghouse i have a friend who got those exact same grades 1st semester and similar grades 2nd semester (B/B+/B+/B+), so he missed stone.
he bid weirdly at EIP, a bunch of the V10, and then a whole bunch of lower V100's. Don't know how many callbacks/offers he got but he's headed to a V40 in NYC, which is not bad given ITE. he paralegaled for a year in NYC biglaw but that's the extent of his work experience to my knowledge.
also, CA was brutal this year. i have other friends with better grades than the guy I just mentioned, and who wanted CA, but got shut out. |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 2:49 PM Author: 180 scarlet box office Well, that is a ray of hope. Personally, I'm not aiming for CA at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14025014) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 9:16 PM Author: Exhilarant hot stead really tough guy Thanks. This is the most helpful (inspiring?) post I’ve seen on this site. So, with similar grades (and a lot of interview practice), NY firms are still receptive to B students ITE? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14028318) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 9:17 PM Author: Buff Nubile Locale Corn Cake ITT: striver douche posts about grades on friday night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14028343) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 9:31 PM Author: twisted ocher university telephone ITP: underachiever posts about posting about grades on friday night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14028471) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 1:29 PM Author: Buff Nubile Locale Corn Cake i'm at ccn and my grades are substantially better than OP's, hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14032932) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 2:18 PM Author: charismatic address pistol ITT: striver douche posts about grades on the weekend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14033315) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 2:29 PM Author: Exhilarant hot stead really tough guy I blame the bottle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14033425) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:31 PM Author: Buff Nubile Locale Corn Cake i'll enjoy taking a shit on you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14034312) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 11:02 PM Author: apoplectic wrinkle meetinghouse Yea, you definitely have a shot even without an A or A- on your transcript. I would think things start getting dicey if you have more than a couple of B's and no A range grades though. For grades like my friend's (B+'s with a couple B's) I would bid mostly V30 and lower. I would say that gets you a pretty decent shot at NYC biglaw.
Also, arrive early every day of EIP and add as many interviews as possible. Every morning, career services will have a white board in the waiting room that they write open timeslots for interviews that anyone can sign up for on a first come-first served basis.
I know people who were only assigned ~15 interviews during the bidding process but ended up doing over 30 interviews because they hustled during the symplicity add period and the add process at EIP. It'll be tiring and you'll absolutely hate interviewing after the first couple of days but it's worth it to give yourself the best possible shot at a job. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 8:16 AM Author: adventurous locus knife I would definitely try to get some V-10's as well (Skadden, DP, Kirkland not cleary, CSM, WLRK) because they hire more people in general and even this year hired people with these types of grades. I got a couple of offers from V-10's with those grades and so did some of my similarly situated friends. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14031476) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 8:09 AM Author: adventurous locus knife These grades are slightly better than mine (similar WE too) and got offers at some V10's and a couple other V100's. I had 25 screening interviews and I really think that made a big difference. I had friends with 13-15 screeners and they did nothing to hustle and get more (big mistake). People need to get out there early and add interviews. Also they should be hitting the suites dropping of resumes. One of my friends got only one offer and it was from a firm where he dropped of a resume in the suite, he also networked (flirted) with the recruiting coordinator. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14031475) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 8:34 AM Author: Khaki swashbuckling senate does anyone else wake up before their alarm cause they hafta take a shit??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14031499) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 9:10 AM Author: twisted ocher university telephone i dont use an alarm!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14031527) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 1:34 PM Author: cerebral gaming laptop principal's office boy, there are a lot of clueless CLS 1Ls in this thread.
CLS 1L MEAN is 3.28. This is based upon the 2004-2005 grade distribution you can get off the G-drive.
Median is a little more complicated, but we can make a good estimate of that as well. B/c the grade distribution for each class is positive-skewed, the median grade in each class is higher than the mean grade for each class. So the MEDIAN grade given out by CLS in 1L year is 3.32.
It is most likely that when you take all the classes together, the 1L total GPA distribution is normally shaped, with maybe a slight positive-skew from the grade distribution in each class. So CLS 1L median GPA, as of 2004-2005, was between 3.28 and 3.32.
As a quick double check, if we take a mean GPA of 3.28, a median of 3.28, put 3.41 on the 29th percentile (as per the CLS website for the cutoff for Stone for 1L year), and assume a normal distribution and calculate the standard deviation of the GPA distribution, it comes out the a 3.8 would be at the 2nd percentile....which is exactly what CLS reports the cutoff for Kent to be. The calculation checks out.
So in sum, CLS median 1L GPA is between 3.28 and 3.30. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 1:35 PM Author: Sooty massive stock car toilet seat Why would you assume a normal distribution? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14032982) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 1:40 PM Author: cerebral gaming laptop principal's office Because if you have a large (350) person population which we can presume are randomly distributed around a mean aptitude b/c of the way LS admissions works, the GPA distribution should be close to normal. Even if it skews a little, its not going to matter---the single-class skew is huge and that only bumps up the median from the mean by 5 hundreths.
Yes, the existence of AA admits and Hamiltons in the pool could theoretically throw it off a bit, but I guesstimated the numbers and unless something crazily extreme is going on, it doesn't alter the numbers above.
The only reasonable assumption is that aggregate 1L GPA is somewhat normally distributed, close enough so that theoretical median and actual median wouldn't deviate by too much. What CLS doesn't tell us (to obfuscate rank) is the standard deviation, but since they tell us the mean GPA and the 29th and 2nd percentile scores, we can back that out.
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Date: February 6th, 2010 2:09 PM Author: Sooty massive stock car toilet seat It's been a while since stats, but are you applying the CLT here, under the assumption that we're mostly dealing with identically distributed random variables? Given the shitty predictive power of the LSAT and UG grades, I'm not sure it's safe to assume that the vast majority of LS students have roughly the same aptitude for LS exams. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14033235) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 2:50 PM Author: cerebral gaming laptop principal's office "I'm not sure it's safe to assume that the vast majority of LS students have roughly the same aptitude for LS exams."
That doesn't matter, as long as the difference in aptitude are randomly distributed. To be precise, what I should have said is that given the nature of LS admissions, we should assume there's no systematic bias in the sample that would skew the distribution. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 2:54 PM Author: tripping stage Subject: You are a smart d00d They probably pray to god that few enough law students with even a rudamentary understanding of physics sweep through CLS to publicize this.
You know it won't be 100% correct, but since you can back out the standard deviation from the 29th and 2nd scores, if they are anywhere near each other couldn't you fairly confidently take that SD and produce the entire class curve? |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:34 PM Author: cerebral gaming laptop principal's office yeah.
I find i get best results with a mean of 3.27 and a stdev of around 0.26, but 3.28/0.23 or 0.24 works almost as well.
I'm sure its not perfect, but its a reasonable enough approximation and 1,000,000 times better than POOMA guesses. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:51 PM Author: Buff Nubile Locale Corn Cake I wish they would just release the info and not force everyone to do elaborate calculations to figure out where they stand before they bid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14034539) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 1:54 PM Author: Exhilarant hot stead really tough guy Employers don’t know this, do they? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14033106) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 2:07 PM Author: cerebral gaming laptop principal's office I dunno. I mean, I'm calculating this off of data that Columbia makes publicly available to its students. Also, presumably a firm that got bids from people throughout the class (say your standard-issue V20) has gotten enough transcripts that they could make this data themselves.
It's kind of crazy. Get all B+'s except for 1 B in a 4-credit course: you're at median. Get all B+'s except for 1 A- in a 4-credit course and an A- in your elective (which you can game by taking an elective with an easier curve): Stone. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:07 PM Author: adventurous locus knife The present day mean is probably slightly higher than 3.28. The 1L elective is not on the 1L curve (IIRC they told us during the meeting last year that it used the 2L curve). In 04/05 there was no 1L elective. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14034711) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 1:35 PM Author: hairraiser chest-beating ceo set has ITE really convinced law students there is a meaningful distinction between V20 and V40 and V60? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14032981) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 2:06 PM Author: Pea-brained business firm community account This is a very credited point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14033206) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 2:15 PM Author: Sooty massive stock car toilet seat To be fair, there are definitely distinctions that can be made, even if we restrict the discussion to NY firms. Of course the majority of firms in the 20-60 range are indistinguishable in terms of prestige. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14033283) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:16 PM Author: Pea-brained business firm community account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14034138) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 2:23 PM Author: Garnet organic girlfriend So--for a non-math person--using that calculation, what gpa would be top 25% and top 10%? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14033371) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 2:58 PM Author: cerebral gaming laptop principal's office 25%=~3.45 10%=~3.60
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Date: February 6th, 2010 3:28 PM Author: Big canary parlour jap What's someone like you doing with a law degree? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14033790) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:35 PM Author: cerebral gaming laptop principal's office didnt the rest of you have to take a stats class as part of your poli sci major? jeez. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14034366) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 5:08 PM Author: Big canary parlour jap EconMetrix but I don't remember anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211577&forum_id=2#14034728) |