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who is the smartest current SCOTUS justice
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Date: July 1st, 2012 11:21 PM Author: Unholy heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21000308) |
Date: July 1st, 2012 11:43 PM Author: Wonderful Very Tactful Trump Supporter Step-uncle's House someone from the kagan/breyer/roberts trio, or kagan/breyer/roberts/scalia quartet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21000513) |
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Date: July 1st, 2012 11:47 PM Author: snowy aggressive theater stage the wisest latina in our fair land (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21000562) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 12:32 AM Author: Bat shit crazy wrinkle The tiers are:
Roberts Scalia Kagan
Breyer Alito Ginsburg Kennedy
Sotomayor Thomas
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 12:55 AM Author: mentally impaired vermilion messiness Seems right except not sure about kagan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21000945) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 12:32 PM Author: Bat shit crazy wrinkle It might be a bit early to put her that high, but I think she will prove to be on par with them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21002419) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 9:45 PM Author: federal reading party roberts ginsburg scalia kagan
breyer
alito sotomayor
kennedy
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thomas |
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Date: July 3rd, 2012 6:05 PM Author: blue national security agency I'd be tempted to put Alito in the top tier.
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 12:35 AM Author: frum trailer park scalia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21000855) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 12:44 AM Author: Bespoke Frozen Personal Credit Line Persian Roberts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21000882) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 12:45 AM Author: galvanic people who are hurt Ragin' Kagan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21000888) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 12:46 AM Author: outnumbered fortuitous meteor Thomas is the only one smart enough to be able to correctly read the constitution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21000895) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 12:55 AM Author: mentally impaired vermilion messiness Cp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21000947) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 10:38 AM Author: Beady-eyed crusty hunting ground sound barrier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001930) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 9:54 PM Author: Gold odious alpha tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21005652) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 10:10 PM Author: Fishy Supple Tanning Salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21005849) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 12:46 AM Author: razzle-dazzle pistol cumskin Roberts. There may be someone with more pure intellect, but he knows the game and is playing a 30-year strategy. Scalia would win a battle to lose the war. Roberts will likely end up as important as Warren so long as GOP wins the occasional WH bid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21000896) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 1:07 AM Author: snowy aggressive theater stage not if scalia has a pizza-induced heart attack during obama's next term (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001006) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 12:10 PM Author: Rebellious lake sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21002302) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 9:43 PM Author: Maroon Base Travel Guidebook interesting. i take you it you think his obamacare decision was some kind of grandmaster shrewd move? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21005553) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:48 PM Author: razzle-dazzle pistol cumskin Yeah, it was.
If you read it and you're an actual liberal, your blood should curl. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 1:27 AM Author: pea-brained center On pure intellectual firepower, it's:
1. Scalia 2. Roberts 3. Breyer 4. Kagan
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5. Kennedy; Alito; Ginsburg
8. Thomas
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9. Sotomayor, who is really just a trial judge in over her head.
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 1:27 AM Author: Stubborn bearded sex offender macaca (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001053) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 1:45 AM Author: dashing effete den coffee pot word for word, highly credited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001111) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 1:51 AM Author: razzle address To be fair,
lol just lol @ all of the (predictable) Thomas hate ITT.
Is he the "smartest" man currently on the court? Probably not.
Is he bottom third? I highly doubt it.
But MAFs will continue to think he's dumb because (1) he's black, and (2) he doesn't like to write long, florid, intricate dissents like Scalia et al when he can just get to the fucking point and say what he thinks and move on. Typical that pseudo-intellectuals would mistake principled bare-bones minimalism for lack of ability. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:23 AM Author: aphrodisiac indirect expression parlour ok so name those who you believe he is smarter than rather than just taking swipes at other posters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001223) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:24 AM Author: Irradiated pit trust fund thomas > kennedy, sotomayor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001226) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:57 AM Author: razzle address To be fair,
And maybe Ginsburg and possibly Kagan (I think it's too early to really tell with the latter, although everyone seems to be rushing to lap at her cunt ITT)
Which would put him squarely in the middle of the court for intelligence.
He is, of course, at the very top of the list when it comes to being principled and intellectually honest and consistent in his jurisprudence. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:03 AM Author: snowy aggressive theater stage ginsburg is really smart, even by the appellate judge standards. kagan might not be. both are much smarter than the undistinguished and stupid thomas (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001286) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:05 AM Author: razzle address To be fair,
I think my point here is not that either of these Jewesses is unintelligent, but rather that Thomas is a hell of a lot smarter than most people give him credit for.
You seem MAF about this, sorry bro. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:08 AM Author: snowy aggressive theater stage no i don't have much affection for either jewess. it's just clear they're both a lot smarter than thomas, who is barely (if at all) smarter than the dumbfuck he's said to be (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001288) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:12 AM Author: razzle address To be fair,
(MFE who has clearly interacted with Thomas a lot, listened to many speeches he's given, read a bunch of his opinions/dissents, etc.) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 12:11 PM Author: Rebellious lake sneaky criminal Im a lib and I like Thomas's public appearances. My issues with him have nothing to do with intelligence
I don't like his approach to his job or his attitude towards it; I don't like scalia for similar reasons |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 9:10 PM Author: pea-brained center I listed Thomas ahead of Sotomayor dipshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21005353) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 10:32 AM Author: alcoholic concupiscible location Congrats on your Thomas clerkship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001914) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 9:08 PM Author: pea-brained center To be fair,
Thomas is my favorite justice and I respect him more than any other justice. He is the most intellectually honest by far. However, I don't believe he is smarter than those I listed ahead of him.
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Date: July 3rd, 2012 6:40 PM Author: Chestnut Crotch Cuckold (3) as if a black conservative can be intelligent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21010597) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 1:50 AM Author: Iridescent liquid oxygen lay breyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001127) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:11 AM Author: Lilac big-titted jew generally everyones got their shit together with the exception of sotomayor. and maybe ginsburg, but only because it seems like shes losing it. but mostly just sotomayor. otherwise pretty credited court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001196) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:14 AM Author: massive orchestra pit I don't think I've read anything by Sotomayor.
What makes you all think she's dumb? |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:19 AM Author: Provocative lime death wish parlor "Justice O'Connor has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases. I am not so sure Justice O'Connor is the author of that line since Professor Resnik attributes that line to Supreme Court Justice Coyle. I am also not so sure that I agree with the statement. First, as Professor Martha Minnow has noted, there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life." -Wise Latina |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:25 AM Author: massive orchestra pit I'm talking about her opinions.
I'm aware of the wise Latina and the adjectives. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:32 AM Author: Jet-lagged salmon associate The logic here always baffles me. If we're talking about "richness of experiences," wouldn't a person the same ethnicity as ~70% of the US population have experiences more reflective of America at large than someone from an ethnicity that is only ~15% of the population? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001332) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 10:35 AM Author: fragrant stead If we're talking about smarts, wouldn't it be better to have a 100 IQ like 70% of the country than a 150? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001923) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:21 AM Author: Blathering Razzmatazz Goal In Life Kitchen she was assigned children's books as remedial reading after her freshman year at princeton. admitted to not doing well on standardized tests. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21002060) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:25 AM Author: Irradiated pit trust fund tiers:
roberts, kagan, breyer
scalia, ginsburg
alito, thomas
kennedy
sotomayor |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:30 AM Author: garnet hall the kagan trolling on this thread is insufferable. on what basis is she smarter than, say, breyer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001233) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:34 AM Author: Irradiated pit trust fund http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/27/justice-roberts-shines.html
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:38 AM Author: garnet hall thx. i love the "i'm not racist" parenthetical:
"Justice Sotomayor (while undoubtedly bright) is truly not nearly as smart as she thinks she is." |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:10 AM Author: Racy Foreskin it's a good point though. that fat bitch thinks she's a fucking genius. i bet she gets pwn3d constantly behind closed doors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001291) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:14 AM Author: garnet hall scalia probably throws a biscotti at her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001298) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:51 PM Author: wine excitant ladyboy Lord, seriously. I particularly enjoy this worthless quotable from Camreta v. Greene:
"In general, courts should think hard, and then think hard again, before turning small cases into large ones."
Cue reversal based on court's failure to THINK HARD TWICE. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:13 AM Author: Racy Foreskin no votes for rhenquist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001295) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:14 AM Author: massive orchestra pit He's not very "current" these days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001297) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:15 AM Author: garnet hall (it is 2005) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001300) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 10:15 AM Author: Swashbuckling impressive whorehouse even in his day he was always 2nd to Stevens. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001859) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 10:22 AM Author: Peach Mood Roberts
Breyer
Ginsburg
Kagan
Kennedy, Thomas
Scalia
Alito
Sotomayor |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 10:30 AM Author: mentally impaired vermilion messiness wtf is this shit. gtfo of here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001908) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 10:39 AM Author: fragrant stead lots of junior varsity SCOTUS watching here.
Alito is a smart motherfucker.
Not sure about the Ginsburg and Kagan love, or the Sotomayor hate. Also, for everyone rating Kennedy--have you read any of his opinions? The guy can't string together a coherent logical argument, though he has a knack for rhetorical flourish.
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 10:40 AM Author: Peach Mood PSA: they're all "smart motherfuckers."
What makes Alito objectively smarter than any one other Justice? |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 10:46 AM Author: fragrant stead More than any other Justice, he cuts through the bullshit and focuses his oral questioning and opinions on the real issues in the case. Nino will be screaming about some bullshit from the 18th Century while Breyer is spinning a 4 minute hypothetical about nanotechnology from rogue states, and Alito will throw down the "isn't the real issue X and don't you lose because Y?"
I think his personal values and worldview are scary but I would trust him more than any other Justice to write an opinion that actually decides the hard issue. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:01 AM Author: Wonderful Very Tactful Trump Supporter Step-uncle's House that's how I feel when I hear him at argument, where he easily seems like a top 3 Justice (Roberts and Kagan are cr at argument as well), but then his opinions are sps. just in the last couple weeks, have you read his opinions in Williams, Knox, the pharma sales rep case, and his dissent in Alvarez? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001993) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:09 AM Author: Peach Mood I think you're conflating SPS with dry and boring. Neither should come as a surprise, given his performance at oral argument. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21002012) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:09 AM Author: Wonderful Very Tactful Trump Supporter Step-uncle's House stfu, you're too retarded to see what's wrong with his opinions, you have the logical reasoning abilities of a talking peanut. go learn to be a bank teller or something before you fuck your life up and get arrested for stalking roberts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21002013) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:11 AM Author: Peach Mood An argument worthy of use in an Alito opinion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21002018) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:11 AM Author: Wonderful Very Tactful Trump Supporter Step-uncle's House you're beneath being argued to (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21002022) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:12 AM Author: Peach Mood (Thomas, J.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21002023) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2012 12:27 AM Author: fuchsia adventurous nursing home are you seriously trying to opine on the merits of a SC opinion? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21006952) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2012 12:33 AM Author: Wonderful Very Tactful Trump Supporter Step-uncle's House one he never read at that. I don't know, doobs has more experience being a chief justice than you or me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21006997) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 10:55 AM Author: abusive meetinghouse ape Greetings, Roberts and I don't think it's even close. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:00 AM Author: green greedy gaming laptop faggotry He was smart enough to use the patented Shitlaw Steve "its a tax" analysis so I have to agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001987) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:00 AM Author: arousing plum stage Not the nigger or the spic. Probably one of the joos. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21001989) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:09 AM Author: marvelous sinister rigor chapel I thought lots agreed that Ginsburg in her prime was one of the smartest ever. Obv way past her prime now.
If I had to guess who was the smartest today (and we're all guessing) I'd say Roberts Alito or Kagan |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:10 AM Author: Peach Mood When was her prime? I think these people stay in their primes.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21002016) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:16 AM Author: marvelous sinister rigor chapel old people's minds dont work as well. her prime was probably when she was in her mid-20s to early 30s. iirc, she murked everybody at harvard, and people were pissed when she transfered to columbia b/c they knew they'd get murked too. they were right
edit: if you mean prime in the supreme court, right when she was appointed obv. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:18 AM Author: Wonderful Very Tactful Trump Supporter Step-uncle's House until, like, 5 years ago, she was really sharp and easily the biggest procedure MFE on the court (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21002046) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:20 AM Author: Peach Mood lol @ the idea that anyone is at their SCOTUS opinion-writing prime their first in their first few years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21002054) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:20 AM Author: marvelous sinister rigor chapel i think this thread is about smartest doobs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21002058) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:21 AM Author: Peach Mood That's right, sorry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21002063) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:21 AM Author: Wonderful Very Tactful Trump Supporter Step-uncle's House it's a rather cr idea, borne out by the careers of many justices (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21002062) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:45 PM Author: ruddy boistinker cruise ship 180 for probably being the first person in history to evoke the concept of ruth bader ginsburg "murking" her competitors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21006546) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2012 10:17 PM Author: abusive meetinghouse ape Greetings, Hi, Sammy! |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 12:25 PM Author: stirring cream puppy site Kagan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21002379) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 2:15 PM Author: Nubile mustard public bath Breyer
Alito
Scalia
Roberts
Ginsburg
Kennedy
Kagan
Thomas
Sotomayor |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 3:32 PM Author: Slap-happy pozpig circlehead souter
current enough |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 4:31 PM Author: Nofapping buck-toothed menage mad-dog skullcap Thomas is the smartest. He was elevated to the court after just 16 months on the D.C. Circuit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21003605) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 4:45 PM Author: hateful theater tier 1: breyer, scalia
tier 2: roberts, ginsburg, alito
ttt: kagan, thomas, kennedy, sotomayor |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 9:48 PM Author: Maroon Base Travel Guidebook Scalia
Breyer
Roberts
Kagan
Alito
Thomas
Ginsburg
Kennedy
Sotomayor |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 9:52 PM Author: Beady-eyed crusty hunting ground sound barrier Credited. I think Kagan is a bit untested and would be therefore hard to place, but overall pretty reasonable (I would maybe flip Alito and Thomas, but that is minor). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21005637) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 10:07 PM Author: Maroon Base Travel Guidebook the way i see it and i don't know jack shit, breyer and scalia did their thing regarding constitutional interpretation and can be viewed as the heavyweight intellectuals. apparently roberts and kagan are seen as super smart sparring partners but they are too new. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21005802) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 10:05 PM Author: mind-boggling mahogany locus coldplay fan Roberts Scalia Breyer Ginsburg Kagan Thomas Alito Kennedy Sotomayor |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:32 PM Author: 180 fiercely-loyal senate dingle berry I wish I had seen this thread before I enrolled in law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21006478) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2012 11:52 PM Author: vigorous doobsian sanctuary Alito. Can't count the times he's demolished Robert's bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21006607) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2012 12:29 AM Author: fuchsia adventurous nursing home Roberts
Breyer
Scalia
Kagan
Ginsburg
Alito
Kennedy
Thomas
Sotomayor |
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Date: July 3rd, 2012 5:50 PM Author: snowy aggressive theater stage makes sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21010236) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2012 12:32 AM Author: swollen exhilarant spot toilet seat Thomas. AA always wins (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21006985) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2012 12:32 AM Author: vigorous doobsian sanctuary Alito gettin no love. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21006987) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2012 12:34 AM Author: comical box office regret Souter, because he got out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21006998) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2012 5:34 PM Author: Irradiated pit trust fund things worth considering:
1. alito, kennedy, thomas, and sotomayor didnt have scotus clerkships (ginsburg didn't, but she probably would have but for the fact shes a woman)
2. kennedy was a mediocre student at hls, and often writes opinions that are objectively retarded
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Date: July 3rd, 2012 5:37 PM Author: talented nudist pocket flask is Kagan a lezzy?!
is Souter a gayyyyyy? |
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Date: July 3rd, 2012 5:41 PM Author: Boyish hospital tcq's (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21010194) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2012 6:48 PM Author: Chestnut Crotch Cuckold let's bring some objectivity to it Who's had the most concurrences/dissents where the opinion of the author was later adopted by others within the court who disagreed at the time? Who actually believed that the 2nd amendment didn't express an individual right?
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Date: July 3rd, 2012 10:10 PM Author: fuchsia adventurous nursing home that first question would actually be an interesting one to answer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1984471&forum_id=2#21011947) |