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13 dismissed for cheating at UT. More possible.

The principal students involved in the cheating scandal sur...
jade national security agency wrinkle
  05/21/06
Dismissed as in kicked out of law school? Or just failed th...
heady corner pistol
  05/21/06
Some are being told to return to Austin for pending honor co...
jade national security agency wrinkle
  05/21/06
Have you talked to any of them after they got caught?
heady corner pistol
  05/21/06
I've only talked one girl about it. She didn't really want ...
jade national security agency wrinkle
  05/21/06
Even if they just get an F and not get kicked out, they migh...
heady corner pistol
  05/21/06
Even the F with notation on their transcript is fucking brut...
rose anal kitty cat
  05/21/06
Then they shouldn't have fucking cheated. They knew the con...
Shivering casino
  05/21/06
I guess that's one response. Another option is to respond w...
rose anal kitty cat
  05/21/06
Youthful mistake? 24-year olds aren't "youthful"....
Shivering casino
  05/21/06
thank you for illustrating my point.
rose anal kitty cat
  05/21/06
Uhh, what point? That they should be forgiven? If you have...
Shivering casino
  05/21/06
the point that the forgiveness route doesn't fly on xoxo
rose anal kitty cat
  05/22/06
it pretty much doesn't fly anywhere...what's the point of ru...
Beta lettuce school
  05/22/06
that's what they say about amnesty.
Adulterous gay station
  05/22/06
Except that that doesn't really hurt anyone else.
violet awkward goal in life
  05/22/06
The point is there's no legitimate grounds for forgiveness i...
violet awkward goal in life
  05/22/06
I concur. They cheated. They deserve whatever punishment t...
burgundy patrolman
  10/02/06
fuck, I can forgive them but that doesn't mean they shouldn'...
dark disrespectful tanning salon sneaky criminal
  06/16/06
Exactly. Cheating is for money.
deranged lavender den boistinker
  05/22/06
I completely agree
Embarrassed to the bone talented affirmative action
  05/22/06
they should be expelled
Supple university
  05/22/06
T16.
Fishy black woman faggot firefighter
  05/23/06
Bullshit. They chose to do something that they knew was wro...
violet awkward goal in life
  05/22/06
bull-fucking-shit. you're talking about people fucking over ...
Bull Headed Stead
  05/23/06
Youthful mistake my ass. They were adults who knew complete...
Fishy black woman faggot firefighter
  05/23/06
You're an idiot.
violet awkward goal in life
  10/02/06
this also seems to be an idiot situation in which to cheat. ...
Comical digit ratio
  05/22/06
I'd say it'd ruin their lives or at least their professional...
heady corner pistol
  05/21/06
my point is that they aren't dead, they aren't permanently c...
rose anal kitty cat
  05/21/06
Well, no, their lives aren't ruined, but do they have any ch...
transparent selfie bbw
  05/21/06
True. They may have to reconsider their career choices.
heady corner pistol
  05/21/06
Their lives were already ruined when UT was the best school ...
black thirsty institution roast beef
  05/21/06
ah, touche
rose anal kitty cat
  05/21/06
T16pwn3d
heady corner pistol
  05/21/06
lateral? now they are free to do ibanking. i say its a pro...
Beta lettuce school
  05/22/06
fuck that. keep the firm job, and the money
dark disrespectful tanning salon sneaky criminal
  06/16/06
This is good justice. It's good to hear them carry through.
Umber gunner
  05/21/06
Link? I saw the other thread, thought it was flame.
Onyx Pontificating Range
  05/21/06
Actually, linking the original threads on this would be help...
Umber gunner
  05/21/06
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=414563&mc=...
Appetizing dun hospital voyeur
  05/22/06
How do you actually build enough of a case against someone? ...
Shivering casino
  05/21/06
I totally looked at my notes during the test.
razzmatazz slippery philosopher-king
  05/21/06
Predictive flame: http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread...
Umber gunner
  05/21/06
are you bashing my white girls/asian guys thread?
Scarlet big home
  05/21/06
13 sounds about right for what I was initially indicating he...
Appetizing dun hospital voyeur
  05/22/06
isn't it pretty clear that all this is a lie?
histrionic chestnut hissy fit personal credit line
  05/21/06
There was a UT student blog that also reported on this. Migh...
Saffron electric place of business school cafeteria
  05/22/06
as did the definitive UT student blog
Appetizing dun hospital voyeur
  05/22/06
What a douche. I'll bet that bitch spends all day on this b...
Beady-eyed temple pocket flask
  05/22/06
hahaha, they are gonna get whats coming to them!! I hope the...
Aggressive Vivacious Internal Respiration Coldplay Fan
  05/22/06
I feel bad for them. I think they need to be punished severe...
Racy sick trailer park
  05/22/06
I think they should be hung in a public square.
Scarlet big home
  05/22/06
So according to that UT blog (that GTO posted), they matched...
Pearl house
  05/22/06
I imagine it went something like - pin at least 1 based on ...
Appetizing dun hospital voyeur
  05/22/06
WOW!!!
violet awkward goal in life
  05/22/06
There is talk of UT forfeiting last year's BCS. USC will be ...
exhilarant fear-inspiring stain
  05/22/06
What happens when USC gets DQed BUSHPWN3D-style? oh, my t...
Appetizing dun hospital voyeur
  05/22/06
hard to believe a group of girls would try and hatch a cheat...
Twinkling fragrant fortuitous meteor mother
  05/22/06
women rely on each other too much. cheating is best done al...
hateful aqua locale
  05/22/06
My father was an LAPD officer for 20 years. His advice to me...
Cracking theater stage laser beams
  05/22/06
Well, you can always just kill them after.
violet awkward goal in life
  05/22/06
prisoner's dilemma, bitch!
nudist soul-stirring pit prole
  05/22/06
NASHEQUILIBRIUMPWNED!
Irate deep becky
  05/22/06
LOL!!!
Fantasy-prone elastic band
  05/22/06
176.
Umber gunner
  05/22/06
Expulsion seems pretty appropriate to me given a) the zero-s...
Floppy Insecure Generalized Bond
  05/22/06
no. we should be nice to them. they are just innocent kids t...
Flirting set macaca
  05/22/06
It's a pretty big deal too. UT divides into 100 person secti...
Floppy Insecure Generalized Bond
  05/22/06
This post is probably the only even remotely prestigious thi...
Cream masturbator reading party
  05/22/06
there is so much beauty in this post. i cried.
zippy jew base
  05/22/06
These aren't economic utility bots. They're morons who acted...
Offensive Parlour
  05/22/06
"These aren't economic utility bots." Yes, they...
Fishy black woman faggot firefighter
  05/23/06
DING! fags
Appetizing dun hospital voyeur
  05/22/06
i can't believe you guys haven't discussed how horrible the ...
pungent wonderful market corn cake
  05/22/06
It's UT, what did you expect?
Irate deep becky
  05/22/06
interesting
Embarrassed to the bone talented affirmative action
  05/22/06
no surprise
arousing cyan water buffalo dilemma
  05/22/06
What could the advantage to having tons of people be? If yo...
Fishy black woman faggot firefighter
  05/23/06
I know very little about this unfolding story but I don't be...
razzle-dazzle hunting ground
  05/22/06
communists?
concupiscible cuck
  05/22/06
Proletariats unite!
Impertinent church building
  05/23/06
No one said anything about LSAT. It was bar C/F fingerprints...
Adventurous space
  05/23/06
you realize that fingerprint analysis needs to be done by an...
dark disrespectful tanning salon sneaky criminal
  06/16/06
someone should tell leiter that even the 13 stupidest people...
Violent Sanctuary Toaster
  05/22/06
people cheat, even smart ones.
concupiscible cuck
  05/22/06
Only the dumb ones get caught. Therefore they deserve to ...
Spruce Old Irish Cottage
  05/22/06
exactly.
Violent Sanctuary Toaster
  05/22/06
Only the dumb get caught. But if you got caught, you must ha...
Blathering New Version Office
  05/22/06
credited. also, many supposedly smart people get caught for ...
concupiscible cuck
  05/22/06
Circular but nonetheless airtight logic. They might have ...
Spruce Old Irish Cottage
  05/22/06
you people are seriously annoying and retarded. it's not rea...
concupiscible cuck
  05/22/06
Perhaps, but here they were obviously both too stupid to suc...
violet awkward goal in life
  05/22/06
"CIRCULARLOGICPWN3D" Or TRUEBYDEFINITIONPWN3D!
Fishy black woman faggot firefighter
  05/23/06
Have fun on the C&F portion of the bar. Auto-ding in ...
Iridescent Area
  05/22/06
their legal careers are essentially over
concupiscible cuck
  05/22/06
actually a point should be made that this scheme was pretty ...
Beta lettuce school
  05/22/06
whats funny is that at a school like UT they were all guaren...
Motley trump supporter scourge upon the earth
  05/22/06
Agreed. And they evidently threw away the outline in the bat...
Coral Forum Windowlicker
  05/22/06
"If you're gonna cheat, at least have a little pride in...
Fishy black woman faggot firefighter
  05/23/06
The eyes PWN3D of Texas are upon you, All the PWN3D live-l...
Misanthropic boltzmann
  05/22/06
What a fucking TTT.
Bateful brunch
  05/22/06
Tell us what you really think
garnet doctorate shrine
  05/22/06
I'd love to hear your take on the situation.
180 claret church
  05/22/06
Talk to me baby.
unholy blood rage trust fund
  05/22/06
Who was the rat?
Wild parlor idiot
  05/22/06
they should beat him with socks filled with bars of soap.
Beta lettuce school
  05/22/06
or nickels.
concupiscible cuck
  05/22/06
Why didn't they flush the outline down the toilet?
Scarlet big home
  05/22/06
So is there ANY evidence that this actually occurred, apart ...
fuchsia library
  05/22/06
No.
Fishy black woman faggot firefighter
  05/23/06
...
lake famous landscape painting dopamine
  05/22/06
Rumor has it that it was mainly white girls w/ asian boyfrie...
Scarlet big home
  05/22/06
its probably some blacks and hispanics, only they would thin...
Aggressive Vivacious Internal Respiration Coldplay Fan
  05/23/06
http://longhornlaw.net/blog/ http://rov.livejournal.com/
Umber gunner
  05/23/06
LINO UPDATE
Adventurous space
  05/23/06
...
aromatic crackhouse roommate
  05/23/06
Longhorn law has a bit of a storied past around the law scho...
aromatic crackhouse roommate
  05/23/06
Olasky's bitch!
Stirring location
  05/23/06
...
Adventurous space
  05/23/06
The cheaters' culture doesn't encourage success or condemn f...
Stirring location
  05/23/06
WHITE GIRLS AND AZN GUYS
Scarlet big home
  06/16/06
So was this flame?
Hairless contagious senate
  06/16/06
A friend of mine at UT confirmed there was a cheating scanda...
Jet national useless brakes
  06/16/06
...
Poppy useless plaza milk
  10/02/06
I love when stupid people get pwned. This kind of shit just...
Exciting hall cuckoldry
  10/02/06


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Date: May 21st, 2006 11:23 PM
Author: jade national security agency wrinkle

The principal students involved in the cheating scandal surrounding Con Law I have been discovered (I'm not going to name names). The students implicated have begun naming other students. Dean Ramos (dean of Student Affairs) is fixing the curve for the remaining students in section 3. More info to follow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829193)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:24 PM
Author: heady corner pistol

Dismissed as in kicked out of law school? Or just failed the class?

edit: also, what was the method of cheating?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829194)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:31 PM
Author: jade national security agency wrinkle

Some are being told to return to Austin for pending honor code violations councils (the method used to expel students here). They will be allowed to argue that they should not be expelled, but there is a pretty heavy presumption against them in cases like this. Others are going to probably be given an F with a disciplinary mark on their record and will be required to retake the class Pass/Fail in the fall.

The students hid notes outside the classroom and used the internet during a closed book test. Some students met with each other during the test.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829239)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:33 PM
Author: heady corner pistol

Have you talked to any of them after they got caught?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829251)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:36 PM
Author: jade national security agency wrinkle

I've only talked one girl about it. She didn't really want to talk about it, obviously. They are all trying to lay low and get there shit together, it seems. Most of them aren't in Austin right now, anyways.

A few of these students had firm jobs and judicial internships that they will probably have to quit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829262)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:38 PM
Author: heady corner pistol

Even if they just get an F and not get kicked out, they might have problems when they apply to the bar. I'd just drop out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829271)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:41 PM
Author: rose anal kitty cat

Even the F with notation on their transcript is fucking brutal - that kind of thing will follow you for a really long time. As much as I hate cheating, it seems kind of sad that this one incident can ruin someone's life for many years.

edit - I mean, I guess it doesn't ruin their lives, just derails them a little. But in xoxo terms it ruins their lives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829283)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:43 PM
Author: Shivering casino

Then they shouldn't have fucking cheated. They knew the consequences if they got caught. They rolled the dice and got snake eyes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829296)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:47 PM
Author: rose anal kitty cat

I guess that's one response. Another option is to respond with compassion and forgiveness for what was a poor choice, granted, but might just be a youthful mistake. However, the latter doesn't really fly in xoxo-land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829316)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:51 PM
Author: Shivering casino

Youthful mistake? 24-year olds aren't "youthful". This isn't middle school where kids really don't know any better. They knew that by cheating they would get better grades, giving themselves an unfair advantage over classmates with regard to summer and post-graduation opportunities. They knew that by cheating they would dick over their classmates. Cheating is the academic equivalent of steroids and it should never be excusable, especially for people who aren't young but instead are about to start their professional careers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829344)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:52 PM
Author: rose anal kitty cat

thank you for illustrating my point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829349)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:54 PM
Author: Shivering casino

Uhh, what point? That they should be forgiven? If you haven't learned that cheating is bad by the time you are 24, you're never going to learn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829361)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:08 AM
Author: rose anal kitty cat

the point that the forgiveness route doesn't fly on xoxo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829433)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:13 AM
Author: Beta lettuce school

it pretty much doesn't fly anywhere...what's the point of rules if violations are forgiven?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829467)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:18 AM
Author: Adulterous gay station

that's what they say about amnesty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829501)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:14 AM
Author: violet awkward goal in life

Except that that doesn't really hurt anyone else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830866)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:14 AM
Author: violet awkward goal in life

The point is there's no legitimate grounds for forgiveness in this case, on XO or anywhere else. What would you do, wipe the slate clean and pretend it didn't happen?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830865)





Date: October 2nd, 2006 2:41 PM
Author: burgundy patrolman

I concur. They cheated. They deserve whatever punishment the school doles out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6714807)





Date: June 16th, 2006 9:24 PM
Author: dark disrespectful tanning salon sneaky criminal

fuck, I can forgive them but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004572)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:20 AM
Author: deranged lavender den boistinker
Subject: Exactly. Cheating is for money.

Law school is zero-sum. That biglaw job can only go to one person, just like that CoA clerkship. Big money is involved in cheating at this level. The cheaters took a risk that they got caught on, and they have to be punished so others will see rolling snake eyes ends the game for them. Remember that the guys they screwed out of CoA or biglaw offers wouldn't have anyone looking out for them had the cheaters been successful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829512)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 9:20 AM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone talented affirmative action
Subject: I completely agree

They should have known better.

If they get a slap on the wrist it will also create a shiTTTy precedent at whats supposed to be a prestigious T15.

The sympathy and compassion thing just doesn't work here. Why exactly should they not be expelled - what kind of message does this send to serious students at UT?

Pls note that I'm usually not a stickler for this kind of thing, but by the time you get to law school you should not be cheating on exams.

Exams in law school mean the difference between jobs and clerkships. Maybe I'm a gunner in the making but this kind of thing ought to be taken pretty seriously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831112)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:29 AM
Author: Supple university
Subject: they should be expelled

no question about it. a very immature and stupid decision. they screwed over everyone else in their class. if it can be shown that they cheated they should be gone, no gray area

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831485)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:09 PM
Author: Fishy black woman faggot firefighter

T16.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839417)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:12 AM
Author: violet awkward goal in life

Bullshit. They chose to do something that they knew was wrong, unfair, and harmful to their fellow students. They also knew the punishment. These are adults, and everyone else is working hard to try to earn fair grades. They're lucky they're not immediately expelled.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830861)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 4:37 PM
Author: Bull Headed Stead

bull-fucking-shit. you're talking about people fucking over their fellow students. this is a zero sum game. it's not happy happy times like undergrad where who cares if someone cheats because i still get my A. they pushed people down the curve. they should fry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839193)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:08 PM
Author: Fishy black woman faggot firefighter

Youthful mistake my ass. They were adults who knew completely fucking well what they were doing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839410)





Date: October 2nd, 2006 2:11 PM
Author: violet awkward goal in life

You're an idiot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6714548)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 6:23 PM
Author: Comical digit ratio

this also seems to be an idiot situation in which to cheat. How much would the internet really help you during a timed exam? and don't students who are well prepared have their outline memorized, making notes a bit superfluous? I can at least understand being tempted if someone could get a copy of the actual exam ahead of time, but this seems like risking your entire career without even knowing if it will help your grade.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833475)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:44 PM
Author: heady corner pistol

I'd say it'd ruin their lives or at least their professional careers. If they don't get kicked out and they actually get admitted to the bar, I don't know if firms would be willing to take a chance with a person who's integrity is questionable; they'd just be too much liability.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829303)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:46 PM
Author: rose anal kitty cat

my point is that they aren't dead, they aren't permanently crippled, they still have their health, they have their families, they can still get relatively well-paying jobs . . . their lives aren't ruined.

But for xoxo, losing your shot at biglaw (maybe permanently) is life-ruining.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829310)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:48 PM
Author: transparent selfie bbw

Well, no, their lives aren't ruined, but do they have any chance whatsoever of getting past C&F? I'd imagine they don't; is that wrong?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829320)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:48 PM
Author: heady corner pistol

True. They may have to reconsider their career choices.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829321)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:47 PM
Author: black thirsty institution roast beef

Their lives were already ruined when UT was the best school they could get into. This is more of a lateral move than anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829314)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:48 PM
Author: rose anal kitty cat

ah, touche

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829318)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:49 PM
Author: heady corner pistol

T16pwn3d

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829327)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:14 AM
Author: Beta lettuce school

lateral? now they are free to do ibanking. i say its a promotion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829476)





Date: June 16th, 2006 9:23 PM
Author: dark disrespectful tanning salon sneaky criminal

fuck that. keep the firm job, and the money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004567)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:24 PM
Author: Umber gunner

This is good justice. It's good to hear them carry through.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829199)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:25 PM
Author: Onyx Pontificating Range

Link? I saw the other thread, thought it was flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829202)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:27 PM
Author: Umber gunner

Actually, linking the original threads on this would be helpful, or a quick summary and timeline would be helpful, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829214)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:30 AM
Author: Appetizing dun hospital voyeur

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=414563&mc=110&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830345)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:26 PM
Author: Shivering casino

How do you actually build enough of a case against someone? Those students can name anyone they want, including innocent people that they might not like.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829209)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:27 PM
Author: razzmatazz slippery philosopher-king

I totally looked at my notes during the test.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829212)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:30 PM
Author: Umber gunner

Predictive flame: http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=418621&mc=6&forum_id=2

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=414563&mc=110&forum_id=2

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=416129&mc=11&forum_id=2



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829230)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:35 PM
Author: Scarlet big home

are you bashing my white girls/asian guys thread?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829258)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:30 AM
Author: Appetizing dun hospital voyeur

13 sounds about right for what I was initially indicating here:

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=414563&mc=110&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830348)





Date: May 21st, 2006 11:50 PM
Author: histrionic chestnut hissy fit personal credit line

isn't it pretty clear that all this is a lie?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829336)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:03 AM
Author: Saffron electric place of business school cafeteria

There was a UT student blog that also reported on this. Might not be flame.

EDIT: http://amicus--curiae.livejournal.com/67887.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829414)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:32 AM
Author: Appetizing dun hospital voyeur
Subject: as did the definitive UT student blog

http://wingsandvodka.blogs.com/blog/2006/05/official_ut_che.html

not that stupid shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830358)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 7:48 PM
Author: Beady-eyed temple pocket flask

What a douche. I'll bet that bitch spends all day on this board.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833979)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:08 AM
Author: Aggressive Vivacious Internal Respiration Coldplay Fan

hahaha, they are gonna get whats coming to them!! I hope they enjoy their careers as either a coder or paralegal, lol!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829439)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:17 AM
Author: Racy sick trailer park

I feel bad for them. I think they need to be punished severely (F in the course sounds quite reasonable) though, mainly because cheaters get caught so rarely. That's really the only reason I don't think forgiveness should be considered in these cases- it's not because I'm a tough bastard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829495)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:18 AM
Author: Scarlet big home

I think they should be hung in a public square.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829503)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:33 AM
Author: Pearl house

So according to that UT blog (that GTO posted), they matched students fingerprints in the ladies' bathroom to the fingerprints from bar registration?

That's hardcore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829588)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:34 AM
Author: Appetizing dun hospital voyeur

I imagine it went something like

- pin at least 1 based on fingerprints

- give those fingerprinted the opportunity to stay, with an F, and pass/fail in the fall, *if* they implicate others, or else they get summarily expelled

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830375)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:16 AM
Author: violet awkward goal in life

WOW!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830873)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:37 AM
Author: exhilarant fear-inspiring stain

There is talk of UT forfeiting last year's BCS. USC will be named Champions within the fortnight!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829602)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:35 AM
Author: Appetizing dun hospital voyeur

What happens when USC gets DQed BUSHPWN3D-style?

oh, my trojans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830379)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:56 AM
Author: Twinkling fragrant fortuitous meteor mother

hard to believe a group of girls would try and hatch a cheating plot, but im not surprised they instantly started turning each other in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829685)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:21 AM
Author: hateful aqua locale

women rely on each other too much. cheating is best done alone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829823)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:30 AM
Author: Cracking theater stage laser beams

My father was an LAPD officer for 20 years. His advice to me as a teenager was: "ANYTHING wrong/illicit/illegal is best done alone."

Never leave a witness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830349)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:17 AM
Author: violet awkward goal in life

Well, you can always just kill them after.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830875)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:24 AM
Author: nudist soul-stirring pit prole

prisoner's dilemma, bitch!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829840)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:35 AM
Author: Irate deep becky

NASHEQUILIBRIUMPWNED!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829923)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 3:56 AM
Author: Fantasy-prone elastic band

LOL!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830783)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 9:34 AM
Author: Umber gunner

176.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831142)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:35 AM
Author: Floppy Insecure Generalized Bond

Expulsion seems pretty appropriate to me given a) the zero-sum stakes involved, b) the huge advantage cheating would provide, and c) the difficulty of catching cheaters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5829929)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:50 AM
Author: Flirting set macaca

no. we should be nice to them. they are just innocent kids trying to make it through this game called life (just like those guys at enron)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830053)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:00 AM
Author: Floppy Insecure Generalized Bond

It's a pretty big deal too. UT divides into 100 person sections that essentially don't interact. That means your curve is based entirely against the 100 people you have all of your classes with (except one smaller class with only a portion of the section). If 13 people cheated, that means over 10% of the section was colluding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830118)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:00 AM
Author: Cream masturbator reading party

This post is probably the only even remotely prestigious thing you've ever done with your life.

That being said, they made a rational calculation based on the benefits of cheating, the risk of getting caught, and the punishment that would occur if they did get caught.

They lost their bet. Now they can twist in the wind.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830115)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:23 PM
Author: zippy jew base

there is so much beauty in this post. i cried.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832865)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 6:18 PM
Author: Offensive Parlour

These aren't economic utility bots. They're morons who acted emotionally and against their rational best interest. Still, hang them.

(Probability of getting caught * goodbye law + probability of not getting caught * slightly higher grade < 0, for pretty much everyone.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833439)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:14 PM
Author: Fishy black woman faggot firefighter

"These aren't economic utility bots."

Yes, they are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839443)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:24 AM
Author: Appetizing dun hospital voyeur

DING! fags

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830300)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:05 AM
Author: pungent wonderful market corn cake

i can't believe you guys haven't discussed how horrible the cheating plan was. i mean GOING OUTSIDE TO TALK; 13 PEOPLE. horrible plan. the notes in the bathroom isn't a bad idea. but to have 13 people share is ridiculous.

the kid with his outline is his pocket, known only to himself is smiling right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830836)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:14 AM
Author: Irate deep becky

It's UT, what did you expect?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5830867)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 9:31 AM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone talented affirmative action
Subject: interesting

Based only on these threads - it Does sound like a painfully stupid plan. 13 adults colluding in the hallway and getting notes from the bathroom during an ongoing exam....thats the part that seems weird.

I guess things like this have to happen every once in awhile to reinforce how TTT some schools are. I'll talk to Leiter in Chicago about how this might be factored into his magical rankings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831131)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 9:35 AM
Author: arousing cyan water buffalo dilemma
Subject: no surprise

I see cheating happen all the time at undergrad. it's hardly a surprise that it happens at law school as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831146)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:16 PM
Author: Fishy black woman faggot firefighter

What could the advantage to having tons of people be? If you're going to get lots of people involved, you might as well try to sink them by providing a shitty outline that contains wrong information.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839453)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:22 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle hunting ground

I know very little about this unfolding story but I don't believe for a second that the administration actually took latent prints from outline in bathroom and matched them to student prints from LSAT registration. No way. First of all that process would take a long time (to retrieve prints and see if there are any matches). Crime labs have heavy backlogs and they take a while to conduct these analyses. No way could they have turned them around so quickly. Also, these labs have more important things to do--like solving violent crimes.

Second of all, I doubt UT would actually go so far as to try and fingerprint the outline.

A far more plausible scenario is that the administration bluffed and told students that they were about to analyze outline for prints. And students under suspicion freaked out and gave names of other suspected communists.

Of course this is all complete conjecture on my part.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831445)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:31 AM
Author: concupiscible cuck

communists?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831497)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 10:59 AM
Author: Impertinent church building

Proletariats unite!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5837498)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:54 PM
Author: Adventurous space

No one said anything about LSAT. It was bar C/F fingerprints. The bar people are like one block away from UT's campus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839704)





Date: June 16th, 2006 9:31 PM
Author: dark disrespectful tanning salon sneaky criminal

you realize that fingerprint analysis needs to be done by an expert, right? it's pretty unlikely the Texas State Bar has an employee who is qualified to examine crime scenes for latent prints

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004597)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:38 AM
Author: Violent Sanctuary Toaster

someone should tell leiter that even the 13 stupidest people at any T14 wouldn't get caught like this, let alone be involved in such a stupid plan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831522)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:39 AM
Author: concupiscible cuck

people cheat, even smart ones.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831526)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:03 PM
Author: Spruce Old Irish Cottage

Only the dumb ones get caught.

Therefore they deserve to be punished

Any names yet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831637)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:55 PM
Author: Violent Sanctuary Toaster

exactly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831865)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:01 PM
Author: Blathering New Version Office

Only the dumb get caught. But if you got caught, you must have been dumb.

CIRCULARLOGICPWN3D

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831891)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:03 PM
Author: concupiscible cuck

credited. also, many supposedly smart people get caught for "cheating" all the time. look at all the corporate scandals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831898)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 3:35 PM
Author: Spruce Old Irish Cottage

Circular but nonetheless airtight logic.

They might have been smart, but they were not smart enough to avoid getting caught

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832594)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 3:57 PM
Author: concupiscible cuck

you people are seriously annoying and retarded. it's not really about being "smart" or "dumb," as anyone in their right mind (read: non-xoxo people) knows and understands that these UT students are relatively bright. the harvard-bred wall street clowns who were busted several weeks ago for insider trading certainly were bright; and they only got caught because their better judgement was clouded by their greed. the same desire to succeed at all costs was presumably present here. there's a difference between being too stupid to successfully pull off a caper and allowing greed and a sick lust for success supersede your better judgement. this difference is so obvious that only an xoxo poster could confuse or overlook it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832727)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:26 PM
Author: violet awkward goal in life

Perhaps, but here they were obviously both too stupid to successfully pull off the caper and also filled with greed and lust.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5835343)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:21 PM
Author: Fishy black woman faggot firefighter

"CIRCULARLOGICPWN3D"

Or TRUEBYDEFINITIONPWN3D!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839484)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:11 PM
Author: Iridescent Area

Have fun on the C&F portion of the bar.

Auto-ding in many states.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831674)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 12:15 PM
Author: concupiscible cuck

their legal careers are essentially over

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831691)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:12 PM
Author: Beta lettuce school

actually a point should be made that this scheme was pretty sophmoric....they were gonna meet in the bathrooms to talk about the exam and look at an outline they hid? did the same people keep taking bathroom breaks? at my school only 1 person can go at a time, but regardless, this sounds like a middle school plan.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5831938)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:36 PM
Author: Motley trump supporter scourge upon the earth

whats funny is that at a school like UT they were all guarenteed good jobs no matter how they did, but now they are as P3WNED as somebody in the bottom of the class at my TTT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832047)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:44 PM
Author: Coral Forum Windowlicker

Agreed. And they evidently threw away the outline in the bathroom trash can? They probably should have come up with a better place to get rid of the damning evidence. If you're gonna cheat, at least have a little pride in your work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832318)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:17 PM
Author: Fishy black woman faggot firefighter

"If you're gonna cheat, at least have a little pride in your work."

I have a couple good methods, but you'd be crazy to think I'll share them with anonymous people on this board, much less people I know at school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839463)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:47 PM
Author: Misanthropic boltzmann

The eyes PWN3D of Texas are upon you,

All the PWN3D live-long day.

The eyes PWN3D of Texas are upon you,

You cannot PWN3D get away.

Do not think PWN3D you can escape them,

At night PWN3D or early in the morn.

The eyes PWN3D of Texas are upon you,

Till Gabriel PWN3D blows his horn.

PWN3D!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832092)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 1:55 PM
Author: Bateful brunch

What a fucking TTT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832127)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 2:05 PM
Author: garnet doctorate shrine

Tell us what you really think

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832179)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:09 PM
Author: 180 claret church

I'd love to hear your take on the situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832788)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 7:32 PM
Author: unholy blood rage trust fund

Talk to me baby.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833905)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:00 PM
Author: Wild parlor idiot

Who was the rat?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832749)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:06 PM
Author: Beta lettuce school

they should beat him with socks filled with bars of soap.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832779)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 4:09 PM
Author: concupiscible cuck

or nickels.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5832789)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 7:25 PM
Author: Scarlet big home

Why didn't they flush the outline down the toilet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5833873)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 8:05 PM
Author: fuchsia library

So is there ANY evidence that this actually occurred, apart from 2-3 threads on xoxo and that blog (which cites these threads)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5834068)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:22 PM
Author: Fishy black woman faggot firefighter

No.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839496)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:13 PM
Author: lake famous landscape painting dopamine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5835215)





Date: May 22nd, 2006 11:13 PM
Author: Scarlet big home

Rumor has it that it was mainly white girls w/ asian boyfriends...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5835224)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 11:15 AM
Author: Aggressive Vivacious Internal Respiration Coldplay Fan

its probably some blacks and hispanics, only they would think that 13 people going to the bathroom would not be suspicious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5837600)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 3:43 PM
Author: Umber gunner

http://longhornlaw.net/blog/

http://rov.livejournal.com/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5838886)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:03 PM
Author: Adventurous space
Subject: LINO UPDATE

FIRST OF ALL: what UT student is still in Austin? He must be a loser. Second of all, anyone who had Graglia knows that Graglia can't even use his computer. So why in the world would you think that he is posttting on XO? How dumb are you? Of course Graglia doesn't know anything b/c it's the admin that deals with the cheating, not him. He just grades and falls asleep in his office.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839383)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 9:11 PM
Author: aromatic crackhouse roommate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5840672)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 9:14 PM
Author: aromatic crackhouse roommate

Longhorn law has a bit of a storied past around the law school . Unfortunately, the posts and legal research memoranda that brought it to notoriety have been deleted, so only a select few can truly appreciate its glory. But it's probably best to not take that blog too seriously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5840691)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 11:14 PM
Author: Stirring location

Olasky's bitch!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5841647)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 5:00 PM
Author: Adventurous space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5839359)





Date: May 23rd, 2006 11:15 PM
Author: Stirring location

The cheaters' culture doesn't encourage success or condemn failure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#5841653)





Date: June 16th, 2006 7:56 PM
Author: Scarlet big home

WHITE GIRLS AND AZN GUYS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004083)





Date: June 16th, 2006 9:30 PM
Author: Hairless contagious senate

So was this flame?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004596)





Date: June 16th, 2006 9:35 PM
Author: Jet national useless brakes

A friend of mine at UT confirmed there was a cheating scandal, but she said that no one she knew had been expelled or punished, and they were considering making the class pass/fail. But this is old news, maybe some action was taken that she didn't know about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6004616)





Date: October 2nd, 2006 2:09 PM
Author: Poppy useless plaza milk



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6714535)





Date: October 2nd, 2006 2:15 PM
Author: Exciting hall cuckoldry

I love when stupid people get pwned. This kind of shit just makes my day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=420539&forum_id=2#6714581)