So Trump is tarrifing countries just 50% of what they do to us & libs go insane?
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Date: April 3rd, 2025 9:27 AM Author: Cordovan public bath shitlib
I have been thinking a lot about the tariffs and broadly side with the convention that they are bad but it did occur to me that the closets of my house, built in the late 50s, are jam packed with so much clothing we never wear. People today buy far more clothing than past generations did. Clothing is also ridiculously cheap by historical standards. Almost all of it is now imported from Asian sweat shops.
If we cut the volume of clothing we consume in half while spending the same amount of money overall, we would still have a lot of clothing, but perhaps end up having more of it made in American mills by American workers and perhaps at even better quality than the rags we import from Vietnam or China, there may be a decent argument to be made in favor of tariffs to support a better eudamonia for America rather than a free trade race to the bottom in quality and prices.
Just a thought. Just a thought. The American consumption machine is so enormous that it probably can withstand a decent reduction in consumption by volume without really noticing it. The argument that we've swapped social well-being for American workers in exchange for endless cheap crap made in China has been around for a few decades now and I'm not opposed to exploring alternatives to this status quo which really has not been working for large swathes of America but, frankly, decimated them.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5704126&forum_id=2#48810425)
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Date: April 3rd, 2025 11:54 AM Author: Cordovan public bath shitlib
$50 t-shirts are petty decent. That's probably upper end of the quality. But most people are buying the three t-shirts for $30 that last you a season before wearing out. A conversation theme I hear every now and then is that the quality of clothing has declined noticeably, cleaving into good quality but very expensive and cheap but crappy, with the middle market long gone. That may be a byproduct of the race to the bottom in free market capitalism. It does mirror the economic divide since 1980, most of the wealth gains accruing to the top 10-20% while the economic share of the pie markedly collapsed for the bottom 50%, a trend that was masked by the rise of cheap imported crap resulting in illusionary but not real prosperity for working people.
As for your latter point, the typical grandchild of the 1950s factory workers is now working the night shift at 7-11 or spending all day watching TV while funded by entitlement programs. That's been the downward mobility trend of the American lower middle and working classes since 1980. Most people don't have the aptitude to be lawyers or computer programmers or managers, the factory and mill jobs of the 50s and 60s would be dreary to you and me, but they provided real benefits and sustained a real prosperity for working Americans.
Don't insult me or anyone else by screaming about 19th century mill conditions.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5704126&forum_id=2#48811160)
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Date: April 3rd, 2025 9:04 AM Author: Self-centered Headpube
all these countries have tariffs on american goods
fair is fair
and those 'poor countries' are just selling chinese goods to us
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5704126&forum_id=2#48810322) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2025 9:12 AM Author: Self-centered Headpube
a LOT
thank you for asking
more people need to be asking these questions. they wouldnt be so opposed to Trumps Tariffs if they did.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5704126&forum_id=2#48810361) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2025 9:16 AM Author: demanding translucent step-uncle's house idiot
This is why he said you're flame or retarded or whatever but it's exhausting
Date: April 3rd, 2025 9:15 AM
Author: internet g0y
its a fair approximation. all these companies tariff us. they deserve to be tariffed in response. sorry you hate america.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5704126&forum_id=2#48810380)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5704126&forum_id=2#48810387)
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Date: April 3rd, 2025 9:17 AM Author: racy mediation
the tiresome thing about all of this is that the partisanship runs so deep that 80% of people will react for or against trump policy regardless of what it is.
libs were going to glitchout regardless of what trump did. and if everything works perfectly they'll still glitchout and find fault somewhere. trumpmos were going to rabidly support trump regardless of what trump did. and if everything goes to shit they'll still say trump was perfect and blame shit on something else.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5704126&forum_id=2#48810392) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2025 9:35 AM Author: Self-centered Headpube
Are you seriously disputing, or do you seriously not know, that the countries Trump has announced new tariffs for tariffed American goods at much higher rates than America tariffed those countries?
I thought the objection was 'yea but they are wrong when the US does it to them because it will lead to a drop in consumption'. First time I've actually heard anyone dispute this fundamental reality that other countries tariffed us higher.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5704126&forum_id=2#48810468)
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Date: April 3rd, 2025 9:45 AM Author: Exhilarant maroon round eye
"First time I've actually heard anyone dispute this fundamental reality that other countries tariffed us higher."
That's interesting because people have already shown the exact formula for the tariff percentages and guess what: it isn't based on tariff rates, but computed based solely off trade deficits. Crazy you've managed to avoid any actual data and can't show any proof of what you're saying btw, keep riding the vibes lil breh
https://x.com/AlanMCole/status/1907595748583121372
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5704126&forum_id=2#48810496) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2025 3:22 PM Author: demanding translucent step-uncle's house idiot
The US has tariffs on many goods just like all other major countries, for example a 25% tariff on light trucks and 100% on Chinese EVs, but overall the US's average applied tariffs are in line with all other advanced economies and are in fact higher than Canada, the UK, the EU and Australia.
Countries by weighted average tariff:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/TM.TAX.MRCH.WM.AR.ZS?most_recent_value_desc=false
The US's largest trade partners with whom we do most of our trading are similar in applied tariffs, and the US does proportionally much less trade with the higher tariffing countries. Also note that the higher tariffing countries are invariably some of the absolute poorest countries in the world and that having low tariffs is strongly associated with being a wealthier country.
The Heritage Foundation lists the US at 65th in the world for trade freedom, not "1st" or whatever Trump supporters claim it is.
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/herit_trade_freedom/
Trump has now increased tariffs to a minimum of 10% on all goods and much higher to major trading partners like the EU and Japan. This isn't making tariffs "fair", it's making them 5-30x higher on average than before Trump's term and 5-30x our peer countries with whom we do most of our trading.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5704126&forum_id=2#48812054) |
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